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Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

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about 8 years ago

Careful....might end up with Farina. 

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about 8 years ago

Can anyone tell me why Okon is held in such high regard as a coach in Aussie media and the FFA? his style of play is nice, but in two seasons his Mariners have been stuck at the foot of the table

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

Royz wrote:

reg22 wrote:

The CCM squad is quite simply terrible, but Okon has managed to get them playing a nice style of football. 

My one criticism of him and this team is that they always take the easy option and don't have any transition game at all. I don't think this is a minor issue either; while the build up and team shape should be applauded, that really is only half the job.

I'd take Greenie over him.

(Yeah, I know he's not qualified, but he is a fairly well-positioned benchmark)

Okon's striker-less squad beat Sydney FC, I think him and Greenie are on par almost. If Okan had a striker CCM would be top 2. 

Jeez, that is stretching it. One player would jump them up from 9th to 2nd? Doubt it.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Okon's constant raging at the Officials would provide some amusement, if nothing else.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

Royz wrote:

reg22 wrote:

The CCM squad is quite simply terrible, but Okon has managed to get them playing a nice style of football. 

My one criticism of him and this team is that they always take the easy option and don't have any transition game at all. I don't think this is a minor issue either; while the build up and team shape should be applauded, that really is only half the job.

I'd take Greenie over him.

(Yeah, I know he's not qualified, but he is a fairly well-positioned benchmark)

Okon's striker-less squad beat Sydney FC, I think him and Greenie are on par almost. If Okan had a striker CCM would be top 2. 

Jeez, that is stretching it. One player would jump them up from 9th to 2nd? Doubt it.

yeah its a slight exaggeration, but I definitely think they would be contesting for the six if they had a quality number 9
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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about 8 years ago

Maybe both Rob Sherman and Ramon could both be involved with the Nix.

Benefiting from Sherman's experience and technical aptitude and Ramon's youth and more recent active club coaching experience as coach and assistant.

Sherman is qualified to coach in the A-League, Ramon has said recently he is looking at going for his UEFA A badge soon.

Bring in Buckinghmam with his Pro badge as the official assistant initially to fulfill FFA requirements, Ramon as a second assistant also straight away with an eye to giving him more responsibility in the future once he secures his Pro badge.

Sherman is in his sixties and would be useful to have around for a few years to help train up Ramon, Buckingham and Greenie.

Aim would be to have Ramon, Buckingham and Greenie take over in the future as Nix senior coach, assistant and reserve coaches.

Sherman established the Asia Pacific Football Academy which became the Nix academy so there's already a nice synergy there.

He'd have the Nix reserves and youth program running at a world-class level with his experience as Technical director of the Welsh FA, NZ Football and coaching director of the FFA.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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about 8 years ago

Someone to bring a bit of passion back to the club our first captain.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

Goddamn just appoint someone already so they can decide who to keep going forward and start signing players form other teams. 

#DomeOut



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about 8 years ago

You know the coaching decision has almost nothing to do with David Dome right? 

Likewise player recruitment/retention decisions?


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about 8 years ago

Baiter wrote:

You know the coaching decision has almost nothing to do with David Dome right? 

Likewise player recruitment/retention decisions?

And just what makes you think that?

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about 8 years ago

Because it's well documented that these decisions are made by (in the terms of a manager) the Football committee and the board, and (in terms of players) the Football committee and the coach.

Remember he's GM, not a CEO who is in charge of every aspect of operations in minute detail (as Tony P was in Terry's era) there is a much more hands on board, ownership group and sub committees of the board then there were in Terry's day.  Probably more closely aligned to business best practice than Terry's leveraged spend and hold on for dear life business model.

Less likely to require a WGA bail-out.


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about 8 years ago

I'm really sorry to ask this, as no doubt it's posted all over the forum, but who is on this football committee? 

360footballnews.com

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about 8 years ago

Harry Ngata 



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From 2017  "It's the board, the football committee and the chairman, the guys who run the club. We can only advise and if they think it suits then great, we'll move forward, but there is a long way to go for the rest of the season and we start deciding the fate of people's futures."

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about 8 years ago

Baiter wrote:

Because it's well documented that these decisions are made by (in the terms of a manager) the Football committee and the board, and (in terms of players) the Football committee and the coach.

Remember he's GM, not a CEO who is in charge of every aspect of operations in minute detail (as Tony P was in Terry's era) there is a much more hands on board, ownership group and sub committees of the board then there were in Terry's day.  Probably more closely aligned to business best practice than Terry's leveraged spend and hold on for dear life business model.

Less likely to require a WGA bail-out.

He's on the football committee

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

Thanks News. I assumed it would be public. Our owners sure are a mysterious bunch aren't they?

360footballnews.com

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about 8 years ago

Noah Hickey is / was

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

Thanks News. I assumed it would be public. Our owners sure are a mysterious bunch aren't they?

I don't think it's necessarily a secret. I just can't find it anywhere which probably just means it hasn't been reported anywhere recently.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

Harry Ngata 

Serious?

He's probably recommend that we sign Joel Chinese-eee

Probably  have to call him Heremaia  not Harry.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 8 years ago

Leggy wrote:

reg22 wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

Harry Ngata 

Serious?

He's probably recommend that we sign Joel Chinese-eee

Probably  have to call him Heremaia  not Harry.

Well, it is his name.

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

Harry Ngata 

Serious?

He's probably recommend that we sign Joel Chinese-eee

This sounds like some kind of anti-Chianese bias.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago
I think you'll find Dome has more to do with coach selection than a lot of people realise.   He's on the football committee.  As GM he's going to be responsible for the contract and budget side of things in conjunction with the Board.  I think it's reasonable to expect that the Board members don't exactly have a lot to go on, other than what Dome brings to the table.  And I am not sure how much of an alternate view Ngata brings.  We don't have a Director of Football.  We don't have a Board exactly steeped in football and football contacts.  Who else do you think is working up these coach recommendations? 
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about 8 years ago

The names would come from applicants, agents, and even the FFA.  The People on the Phoenix board (and the owners) aren't remotely the sort to step out and let things happen whether they have a detailed knowledge of football or not.


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about 8 years ago

Oh for effs sake.

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about 8 years ago

Just searched him up on Wikipedia. He was with Aalborg for season 16-17 as assistant coach.

In 2015-16, Aalborg finished 5th in the league and reached the semifinals of the cup.

In 2016-17, they finished 10th and made the quarterfinals.

Oh boy.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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Just searched him up on Wikipedia. He was with Aalborg for season 16-17 as assistant coach.

In 2015-16, Aalborg finished 5th in the league and reached the semifinals of the cup.

In 2016-17, they finished 10th and made the quarterfinals.

Oh boy.

Add to that, he had a 27% win ratio at Newcastle Jets (2015/16) - they finished 8th. 

The only thing I can see he has going for him is that he's 35 and has been an assistant manager for the past 7 years or so. One would hope he has learnt more by now.. 

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about 8 years ago
Man his Wikipedia page reads like he wrote it himself, particularly the Newcastle section, is this Hudson in disguise?
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about 8 years ago

I remember his jets started well and were right up near the top of the table for the first part of the season but pretty mediocre for the rest. I also remember then playing really dour horrible and negative football and yet all the pundits were saying how great they were playing.

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about 8 years ago

Sounds like just the kind of winning coach we need to dig the club out of a hole. It's not like our very future is under threat or anything.... (Sigh!) 

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about 8 years ago

If they sign Scott Miller, to me it evidences the ownership of the club have no  ambition next year to be a top team.

It will evidence they are just happy to have a team in the A league and it would be nice to do really well, but it doesnt really matter.

Unbeliveable if true.

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about 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Sounds like just the kind of winning coach we need to dig the club out of a hole. It's not like our very future is under threat or anything.... (Sigh!) 

Sounds to me like it's complete bollocks. 


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about 8 years ago

This is a play out of the "Anthony Hudson link yourself to every vacancy" playbook. Pretty sure the same rumour was around last time and the Phoenix had no interest back then

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about 8 years ago

In today's issue of The Australian, Ray Gatt talks about Paul Okon's downfall being due chiefly to poor man-management skills in addition to being inexperienced at this level of club football.  He said the club gave Okon leeway last season because he had no chance to choose his squad, but he did this season except that money was an issue in finding good players.

Dominic Bossi in SMH does not mention the man-management issues, but points to the fact Okon would not have been given more than one more year.  For his part, Okon expressed frustration at having to work with little money.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/mariners-looki...

Neither Miller nor Okon strike me as the coaches we need  - even if I am unable to put forward any options.

Personally I am almost in favour of Greenacre being our best option, working with a suitably qualified coach who is happy to clip the ticket and act at most as an assistant, if at all.  

The vacancies at CCM and at Sydney FC make it very distracting for the available Aussie coaches to even look our way, and I have cooled regarding bringing in someone from Europe or UK who does not know A-League at all, let alone the unusual nature of the Nix in the league.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I thought it was established that Greenacre isn't even qualified to be assistant atm.

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about 8 years ago

Just received this reply from a Glory supporter on another forum about Miller (not that that means much but):

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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