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almost 9 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Italiano did fine in the games towards the end of the season and deserves a crack at being the number one.

I hate this line and I see it far too often. So and so deserves a crack. Based on what, does Italiano deserve a shot cause from all accounts, he was pretty ordinary at the next tier down where he should stand out.

Someone else last week said Rogerson deserves a crack. Do not confuse time with the squad as deserving of a shot. They get a shot cause they are better through sustained performance and nothing I have heard about him says he deserves a shot.

I think this is a dumb move and am against it as much as I cannot change it.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 9 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Italiano did fine in the games towards the end of the season and deserves a crack at being the number one.

I hate this line and I see it far too often. So and so deserves a crack. Based on what, does Italiano deserve a shot cause from all accounts, he was pretty ordinary at the next tier down where he should stand out.

He was the best Keeper in the WA NPL last season, so I do wonder if only playing 45 minutes a game with 16-17 year old CBs in front of him has affected his performances in the SS Prem. When he had the run of games in the A-League at the end of the season, he didn't look out of place. Whether that stands up over the course of a season, only time is going to tell.
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almost 9 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 


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almost 9 years ago

Keepers definitely win games, just like strikers. Keepers are allowed the fewest mistakes for any player on the pitch, as well as probably having the least time actually in play. I hope Lewis can concentrate really well, be decisive, brave, have fantastic judgement, etc.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 9 years ago

Feverish wrote:

for everyone saying this frees up space to get better outfield players a) Is this wise for the crucial position of keeper than can win you games b) How do you know that the money is going to be spent elsewhere? pretty sure we are going to have a thrifty budget (so I am told)

Does this mean no marquee to replace Kosta and we'll try and fit the whole squad within the cap?

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almost 9 years ago

Would Lewis be a good deal for the nix?

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almost 9 years ago

Nah but I reckon an injury free TAHW would be a good fit if we can't get Bill Tuiloma

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almost 9 years ago

Sancho wrote:

Nah but I reckon an injury free TAHW would be a good fit if we can't get Bill Tuiloma

He has been out for a while so I would give him a trial to see were he is at.
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almost 9 years ago

JamesBo wrote:

Would Lewis be a good deal for the nix?

Barry? Yep. Sign him up at right back.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 9 years ago

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.
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almost 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

Part of that misconception I think is because gks tend to play longer and there are more older ones still playing at a high level into their 30s while other players tend to lose their speed, ability to recover etc at that age and have retired or playing at a lower level.
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almost 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

You could argue Italiano has proven his ability. I can't think of a goalkeeper who peaked in their early 20s, but a lot who did in their 30s.
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almost 9 years ago

joe hart 

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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almost 9 years ago

Oska wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

You could argue Italiano has proven his ability. I can't think of a goalkeeper who peaked in their early 20s, but a lot who did in their 30s.

You could argue it, but you'd lose that argument

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Oska wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

You could argue Italiano has proven his ability. I can't think of a goalkeeper who peaked in their early 20s, but a lot who did in their 30s.

You could argue it, but you'd lose that argument

He obviously has as far as the team is concerned.

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almost 9 years ago

So Italiano as #1 for the start of the season by new coaches choose.

So you are all saying sack the coach already?

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almost 9 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

So Italiano as #1 for the start of the season by new coaches choose.

So you are all saying sack the coach already?

if it frees up the $ to get a better keeper -yeah

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almost 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Oska wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

You could argue Italiano has proven his ability. I can't think of a goalkeeper who peaked in their early 20s, but a lot who did in their 30s.

You could argue it, but you'd lose that argument

I'm not saying that his ability is anything special, just that he's shown what he has (and hasn't) got.
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almost 9 years ago

Global Game wrote:

joe hart 

Probably true, but he did only turn 30 in April, so may well reach his form of a few seasons ago before retiring
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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

james dean wrote:

Oska wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Tegal wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Whilst I think Moss is a better shot stopper, Italiano dominates the box more and seems more assertive in coming out to get the ball.

Ummm have you seen him at NZFC level? Sure, he might be more assertive, but he's also far less likely to actually get the ball when he comes out to get it, as seen on many occasions.

This is quite typical of a young keeper too. I think he can and will improve, but not convinced he's ready just yet. Keepers don't really peak until they're in their 30s. 

I don't know if that still holds true. Most decent 'keepers in recent times have proven their ability from a young age.

You could argue Italiano has proven his ability. I can't think of a goalkeeper who peaked in their early 20s, but a lot who did in their 30s.

You could argue it, but you'd lose that argument

He obviously has as far as the team is concerned.

I simply don't believe that the incoming coaches have made this decision.  They can only have watched him on TV for a few games - how could they make a call on him having never seen him in training?  It's simply not credible to say that it is their decision alone.

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

Is Buckingham going to be GK coach?

I'm sure they have plenty of videos of Italiano training as well as the feedback from the current nix staff.

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almost 9 years ago

in 2014-15 ASB Premiership, 2 goalkeepers were used:

Oliver Sail (13 appearances incl 3 as sub, 32 goals conceded) and Lewis Italiano (6 appearances, 10 goals conceded)

in 2015-16 ASB Premiership, 2 goalkeepers were used:

Lewis Italiano (6 appearances, 11 goals conceded) and Oliver Sail (10 appearances incl 2 as sub, 35 goals conceded)

in 2016-17 Stirling Sports Premiership, 4 goalkeepers were used:

Lewis Italiano (10 appearances, 18 goals conceded), Oliver Sail (7 appearances, 11 goals conceded), Keegan Smith and Dylan Bennet

So, Italiano has played 22 games in the last 3 Premiership season (on 17 of which lasted the full 90), conceding 39 goals (ave 1.77 per game).  Sail has played 30 (incl 5 as sub), conceding 78 (ave 2.6 per game).

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almost 9 years ago

Moss off to wear #1 at Jets and if LR #33 is sober won't get a look in. (have not seen a release for LR)  ;-)

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almost 9 years ago

Wibblebutt wrote:

EXPIRES END OF 2017/18:

Andrew DURANTE
Gui FINKLER (f)
Roy KRISHNA (f)
James McGARRY (u21)
Michael McGLINCHEY 
Matthew RIDENTON
Logan ROGERSON (u21)
Marco ROSSI (+1) (f)
Alex RUFER

EXPIRES END OF 2018/19:

Tom DOYLE
Dylan FOX
Ryan LOWRY
Adam PARKHOUSE
Oliver SAIL
Hamish WATSON

EXPIRES END OF 2019/20:

Sarpreet SINGH (u21)

May as well just change all of these contract expiry dates to "TBC" 


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almost 9 years ago

Love how Contracted is now in quotation marks for this thread, hilarious

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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

Feverish wrote:

for everyone saying this frees up space to get better outfield players a) Is this wise for the crucial position of keeper than can win you games b) How do you know that the money is going to be spent elsewhere? pretty sure we are going to have a thrifty budget (so I am told)

The cap has gone up by a minimum of 250k, Roly, Lia & Moss have left. So unless we are bringing Finkler into the cap, we surely have a decent chunk to spend to meet the minimum spend.

however we dont have to spend the cap - its just a max limit not a minimum. By letting those three go we've freed up $250k, we could replace those three by spending no more than $150k

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over 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

RR wrote:

Feverish wrote:

for everyone saying this frees up space to get better outfield players a) Is this wise for the crucial position of keeper than can win you games b) How do you know that the money is going to be spent elsewhere? pretty sure we are going to have a thrifty budget (so I am told)

The cap has gone up by a minimum of 250k, Roly, Lia & Moss have left. So unless we are bringing Finkler into the cap, we surely have a decent chunk to spend to meet the minimum spend.

however we dont have to spend the cap - its just a max limit not a minimum. By letting those three go we've freed up $250k, we could replace those three by spending no more than $150k

there is a minimum spend though. 80 or 90% of the cap I think
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over 8 years ago

Good signing.

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over 8 years ago

Woo hoo! Awesome to hear that more announcements are just around the corner, too!

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over 8 years ago

Shark that's a good signing. I would imagine that quite a few other A League clubs would have been after him too

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over 8 years ago

Have we signed an established A-League fullback before?

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over 8 years ago

Closest I can think of is Jimmy Downey, but he only had 38 A-League appearances between 2007 and 2010, and didn't join us until 2011 after stints with Sparta Rotterdam and Oakleigh Cannons.

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over 8 years ago

Perhaps has struggled with the physical side at this level of football, seems to back himself so hope he can establish himself here as it would be great to have a fullback that can get up and down and make space for other players by being a threat.

A fan is a fan.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

And the coaching team was a big part of his decision.  We've got pull for picking up the hot, young Aussies.  :)

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Oska wrote:

Have we signed an established A-League fullback before?

John McKain and Jade North were both centre-backs, right?

Pleased to see no whining about "why are we hiring Aussie youngsters rather than developing Kiwi lads" this time.


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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Doloras wrote:

Oska wrote:

Have we signed an established A-League fullback before?

John McKain and Jade North were both centre-backs, right?

Pleased to see no whining about "why are we hiring Aussie youngsters rather than developing Kiwi lads" this time.

I reckon the best way to develop a younger player, apart from good coaching, is to have them in a squad training with a respected, talented role model in their position.  If that means we need an Aussie or an import to set the standard for up and coming kiwi youngsters, then all good in my book.  And I have no problem that we are signing a younger Aussie to do that (as well as to start and contribute to a winning team), particularly on a one year contract.

It's up to the kiwi youngsters to meet Galloways level, and to show the fight and grit and application to get there, or at least to get close enough to be worthy starters.

We might be a team looking to provide a pathway for kiwi talent as one of our objectives, but we're not a charity.

Just the way I see it.

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over 8 years ago

Thats a good signing.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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