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08 Nov 20:56 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Side issue. how many Perth fans showed up? I reckon there was about 7. Did they all fly over or were some locals making a showing? Was good to see. Lonegunmen2009-11-09 09:56:54
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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08 Nov 21:34 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

I know it has been bought up before but what about the kids go free with paying adult. Good way to introduce familys to (or back to) the ROF and boost numbers.

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08 Nov 22:20 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
I think it was because everyone was sitting in the 'sun' aisles, because of the good weather. and practically no one over the other sides. Its usually not many, but seemed very scarce there last night. Could be up to a thousand fans or so, that sat in the sun making it seem that much more full.

I hate to be negative, especially with the week coming up, But i thought that was average as crowd. Was realistically hoping for 10.
I don't know what can be done to boost numbers, but the Nix have 3 or for week until the next home game, hopefully some initiatives can be thought out.

Ok I'm done.


All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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08 Nov 22:23 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
I think we're under-extimating the impact of this weekend.

I think quite a few occassional attendees will be tied to the All Whites and their football mindset will be about that

How's my driving? - Whine here

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08 Nov 22:37 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

I think that is very true especially with money been an issue many might be putting all their cash in the All Whites game and possibly can't invest in both AW and Phoenix.

That said, with a good result or even a close game we should see a rise in numbers at subsequent home games, fingers crossed

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08 Nov 22:47 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Well a win this weekend and hopefully the nix can market themselves off it. December 4th has got to be a big crowd. Its not for a while and hopefully we can call for all those who missed the game to come to this one


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08 Nov 22:48 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
An Whites win and a few good results away for the Phoenix will bring 10k in for the next home game.

Kiwis like winners. Look at the warriors. I wonder what their core support is when they are losing, because mention the playoffs and mount smart sells out. That next game will only be a few games away from the end of the season, so we should be in the hunt and on the way to the world cup. Make it 15k.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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08 Nov 22:53 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

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08 Nov 23:21 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
el grapadura wrote:
I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

 
Why, who did you want on your lap?

14/11/09

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08 Nov 23:22 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Addicks wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

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Why, who did you want on your lap?


Probably shouldn't say.
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08 Nov 23:25 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
That would put a new spin on the game "Keepie Uppies"

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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08 Nov 23:41 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
wokingfan wrote:

I know it has been bought up before but what about the kids go free with paying adult. Good way to introduce familys to (or back to) the ROF and boost numbers.

 
Or like Seednee did.  You could get Aussies to come up and say "Fush and Chups.  Phar Lap, Crowded House and Pavlova are all from New Zild, Russell Crow is dinky die Ocker"
 
and then they can have a ticket for $10.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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09 Nov 00:02 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
And display a massive phoenix shirt at the away section
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09 Nov 00:07 · edited 09 Sep 05:40

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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09 Nov 05:41 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Critical_Lemon wrote:
I put it down to Euro Snobs, partly as well. I was on my way to a church thing at 6 and drove past Kelburn Park where there was a large group of blokes playing football. Surely they could have been at the RoF?
 
You weren't there either...?
 
Yes I have always found it strange that people who actually like football won't go along and see their local professional team?
 
These people who only watch the EPL on TV I find strange too. Watching on TV does not compare to the full experience of going to games, no matter who it is playing IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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09 Nov 06:05 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
during the jets game the row in front of us had ten people crammed into three seats - maybe they were expecting 72k too!
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09 Nov 08:09 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
hopefuly when the  all whites win people that wouldnt normaly watch football will come and watch the phoenix
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15 Sep 03:59 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Afternoon all, I thought I'd update this.  Feel free to correct anything that looks amiss.
 
Home Attendance 

Season 1

Season 1 Home Average: 11,683 (Excluding Exhibition home match)

Season 1 Home Average: 13,516 (Including Exhibition home match)

 

 

Season 2

Season 2 Home Average: 7,193

 

Season 3

Season 3 Home Average only for Westpac Stadium, Excluding play offs: 8,187

Season 3 Home Average only for Westpac Stadium, Including play offs: 11,318

Season 3 Home away from Home Average: 13,097

Season 3 Home Average all regular season games: 8,942

Season 3 Home Average all games: 11,555

 

Season 4

Season 4 Home Average (so far, Excluding Boca Juniors): 8,801

Season 4 Home Average (so far, Including Boca Juniors): 9,539

 

Total for all seasons and all games: 439,282


19 Wins
12 Draws        
7 Losses   
69 Goals For      
42 Goals Against 

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15 Sep 06:02 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Using the Westpac Stadium published (on website) attendances and excluding exhibition games (LA Galaxy & Boca) but including playoff games 423,235 have watched the Nix at the RoF.
 
We've got 11 more games at the RoF this season so we should easily get to half a million this  season
 
Half a million watching the Nix at the RoF is, I think, a pretty cool milestone - hopefully the press (cue Piney) picks it up.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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15 Sep 06:11 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
surprised to see attendances are down this year on average for the first three games
 
paulm2010-09-15 18:12:05
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15 Sep 07:11 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Have ticket prices gone up?

Three for me, and two for them.

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15 Sep 08:54 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Thanks Oceanic6.

As I mentioned in another thread - is anyone disappointed by the low attendance so far?

Maybe I was expecting too much after a good end to last season and a great WC showing.

Modest increase in membership and modest crowds so far.

Underwhelmed.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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15 Sep 09:04 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Must admit i thought we would get 10k each match minimum. There is a lot more nix stuff in the media, especially compared to previous seasons, which i thought were party to blame for the lacking crowds.

Hopefully as the weather improves and other sports begin to finish we will see a big pick up.

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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15 Sep 09:06 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
The weather has been dodgy for pretty much all our home games. Pretty sure there was some rain on all 3.

I'm happy it hasn't gone down like 90% of the crowds in the a-league.

I think bandwagoners have had too much football for a while.
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15 Sep 09:16 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
CCM game on the sunday was a beaut.

Buffy, prices gone up from $25 to $27 for an adult in the zone. only a couple of bucks increase but just that little closer to $30 could be a mental put off.

22 unbeaten games at the stadium, finish 1 game away from the final, I mean what the feck do they have to do to get the season 1 crowds back?

George Costanza2010-09-15 21:24:39
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15 Sep 10:36 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Basically, it seems these casual punters just do not come out until its an 'important' game...normal league games not being deemed as important in their minds...
 
Be interesting to see what next Friday's crowd is, although I guess it probably depends a bit on these next 2 games (not always the case though I suppose).
 
I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that? I'm not sure I will bother going to it, but then I am not a Kiwi so it's a bit different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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15 Sep 11:30 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Steve-O wrote:
I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that?


Yep - can't see any big crowds without some major promotion (and fine weather).

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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15 Sep 11:33 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
George Costanza wrote:
CCM game on the sunday was a beaut.

Buffy, prices gone up from $25 to $27 for an adult in the zone. only a couple of bucks increase but just that little closer to $30 could be a mental put off.

22 unbeaten games at the stadium, finish 1 game away from the final, I mean what the feck do they have to do to get the season 1 crowds back?

so do the prices increase on 1 october GST?
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15 Sep 11:34 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Junior82 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that?


Yep - can't see any big crowds without some major promotion (and fine weather).
 
I've not seen any promotion since basically the day it was announced. Only knew the tickets were even on sale because I was looking for something else on Ticketek.
 
I haven't heard ANY non-football fan mention it at all, which wasn't the case when the Bahrain game was coming up. Tricky to promote friendlies though. Personally I really don't like international friendlies in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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15 Sep 11:40 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Sell out expected? Not from the moment two matches were announced. Divides fan base. And nothing in it anyway.
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15 Sep 12:00 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Wellington's love affair with football is over. Time to send the team down to Christchurch permanently...
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15 Sep 20:46 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Why, to help with the clean up operation?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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15 Sep 21:05 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
f**k me we make a lot of excuses for the crowds. Time, weather, coverage etc.

I don't think we'll start seeing 10-12k until end of the season if we are really in the hunt for the title/playoffs.
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16 Sep 02:12 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
All Whites have just cracked the top 50 on FIFA rankings for this month, despite not playing a game. Just imagine what could happen if they beat Paraguay & Honduras.
 
Seriously though, how often does NZ get to see 2 top 50 sides play each other? This might get a few more in the stands.


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16 Sep 02:33 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
On a wednesday night in Welly though? I think they'll be lucky to get 10-12,000.
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16 Sep 02:36 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
zonknz wrote:
On a wednesday night in Welly though? I think they'll be lucky to get 10-12,000.



Its TUESDAY 12th October Zonknz. No crowds for wednesday for sure.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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16 Sep 02:52 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Lets split the difference and call it mid-week. I'd still be surprised to see above 12,000.
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16 Sep 04:46 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Whitby boy wrote:
Using the Westpac Stadium published (on website) attendances and excluding exhibition games (LA Galaxy & Boca) but including playoff games 423,235 have watched the Nix at the RoF.
 
We've got 11 more games at the RoF this season so we should easily get to half a million this  season
 
Half a million watching the Nix at the RoF is, I think, a pretty cool milestone - hopefully the press (cue Piney) picks it up.
 
 
I didn't even think to look at the Westpac site, so will double check the figures!  Ta.
 
Boys who commented above, this thread is only in relation to the Phoenix so please talk about the All whites crowds in the All whites section.
 
I too am underwhelmed.  Hope to see more people when other sports finish up for the season.  I also found this comparison to other teams in the league.  5th on the league ladder and 5th in attendance numbers.
 
A-League 2010/2011 .:. Attendance .:. Home matches
# Team sum Matches average 1 Melbourne Victory 58.981 4 14.745 2 Perth Glory 49.334 4 12.334 3 Sydney FC 29.811 3 9.937 4 Brisbane Roar 17.678 2 8.839 5 Wellington Phoenix 26.404 3 8.801 6 Adelaide United 25.420 3 8.473 7 Newcastle United Jets 15.801 2 7.901 8 Central Coast Mariners 21.602 3 7.201 9 Melbourne Heart 21.112 3 7.037 10 North Queensland Fury 11.307 2 5.654 11 Gold Coast United 10.018 2 5.009   overall 287.468 31 9.273
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16 Sep 07:33 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
HarryHotspur wrote:
Sell out expected? Not from the moment two matches were announced. Divides fan base. And nothing in it anyway.
 
Pretty sure NZF were saying they at least 'hoped' for a sell out.
 
There's a number of All Whites in the Phoenix side and yet crowds are not higher at all?
 
Basically, there's apathy amongst many people, and it's not just football - Lions and Hurricanes crowds are hardly anything to get excited about either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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18 Sep 08:48 · edited 09 Sep 05:40
Mmmmm but the population of Wellington is about 160,000 - the whole Wellington region, including Kapiti, Hutt and Wairarapa is about 452,000, the population of Adelaide is 1,400,000, Brisbane 1,820,000 Melbourne 3,900,000, Sydney 4,450,000 ...... kind of puts it into perspective 
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