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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Side issue. how many Perth fans showed up? I reckon there was about 7. Did they all fly over or were some locals making a showing? Was good to see. Lonegunmen2009-11-09 09:56:54

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I know it has been bought up before but what about the kids go free with paying adult. Good way to introduce familys to (or back to) the ROF and boost numbers.

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think it was because everyone was sitting in the 'sun' aisles, because of the good weather. and practically no one over the other sides. Its usually not many, but seemed very scarce there last night. Could be up to a thousand fans or so, that sat in the sun making it seem that much more full.

I hate to be negative, especially with the week coming up, But i thought that was average as crowd. Was realistically hoping for 10.
I don't know what can be done to boost numbers, but the Nix have 3 or for week until the next home game, hopefully some initiatives can be thought out.

Ok I'm done.

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think we're under-extimating the impact of this weekend.

I think quite a few occassional attendees will be tied to the All Whites and their football mindset will be about that

How's my driving? - Whine here

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think that is very true especially with money been an issue many might be putting all their cash in the All Whites game and possibly can't invest in both AW and Phoenix.

That said, with a good result or even a close game we should see a rise in numbers at subsequent home games, fingers crossed

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well a win this weekend and hopefully the nix can market themselves off it. December 4th has got to be a big crowd. Its not for a while and hopefully we can call for all those who missed the game to come to this one

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

An Whites win and a few good results away for the Phoenix will bring 10k in for the next home game.

Kiwis like winners. Look at the warriors. I wonder what their core support is when they are losing, because mention the playoffs and mount smart sells out. That next game will only be a few games away from the end of the season, so we should be in the hunt and on the way to the world cup. Make it 15k.

Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

Why, who did you want on your lap?

14/11/09

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Addicks wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

I am quite disappointed that the crowd was slightly below my prediction of 72k.

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Why, who did you want on your lap?

Probably shouldn't say.

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That would put a new spin on the game "Keepie Uppies"

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

wokingfan wrote:

I know it has been bought up before but what about the kids go free with paying adult. Good way to introduce familys to (or back to) the ROF and boost numbers.

Or like Seednee did. You could get Aussies to come up and say "Fush and Chups. Phar Lap, Crowded House and Pavlova are all from New Zild, Russell Crow is dinky die Ocker"

and then they can have a ticket for $10.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And display a massive phoenix shirt at the away section

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Critical_Lemon wrote:

I put it down to Euro Snobs, partly as well. I was on my way to a church thing at 6 and drove past Kelburn Park where there was a large group of blokes playing football. Surely they could have been at the RoF?

You weren't there either...?

Yes I have always found it strange that people who actually like football won't go along and see their local professional team?

These people who only watch the EPL on TV I find strange too. Watching on TV does not compare to the full experience of going to games, no matter who it is playing IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

during the jets game the row in front of us had ten people crammed into three seats - maybe they were expecting 72k too!

over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hopefuly when the all whites win people that wouldnt normaly watch football will come and watch the phoenix

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Afternoon all, I thought I'd update this. Feel free to correct anything that looks amiss.

Home Attendance

Season 1

1st home match: 14,421 v Melbourne Victory on August 26, 2007 D 2-2
2nd home match: 11,478 v Newcastle Jets on September 9, 2007 L 0-1
3rd home match: 12,127 v Adelaide United on September 22, 2007 D 2-2
4th home match: 10,127 v Perth Glory on September 30, 2007 W 4-1
5th home match: 10,560 v Central Coast Mariners on October 21, 2007 L 1-2
6th home match: 8,062 v Sydney FC on November 17, 2007 D 1-1
7th home match: 18,345 v Adelaide United on November 30, 2007 L 1-2
Exhibition home match: 31,853 v Los Angeles Galaxy on December 1, 2007 L 4-1
8th home match: 8,032 v Perth Glory on December 7, 2007 W 3-0
9th home match: 9,384 v Queensland Roar on December 14, 2007 D 1-1
10th home match: 14,288 v Sydney FC on January 4, 2008 L 0-2

Season 1 Home Average: 11,683 (Excluding Exhibition home match)

Season 1 Home Average: 13,516 (Including Exhibition home match)

Season 2

1st home match: 10,516 v Queensland Roar on August 17, 2008 D 1-1
2nd home match: 6,110 v Melbourne Victory on August 24, 2008 L 2-4
3rd home match: 6,926 v Central Coast Mariners on September 14, 2008 D 0-0
4th home match: 6,729 v Sydney FC on September 28, 2008 W 2-1
5th home match: 6,543 v Queensland Roar on October 26, 2008 L 0-1
6th home match: 5,500 v Newcastle Jets on November 23, 2008 W 2-0
7th home match: 7,953 v Melbourne Victory on November 28, 2008 W 2-1
8th home match: 6,362 v Perth Glory on December 14, 2008 D 1-1
9th home match: 6,722 v Central Coast Mariners on December 19, 2008 W 1-0
10th home match: 7,520 v Newcastle Jets on January 4, 2009 W 3-0
11th home match: 8,241 v Adelaide United on January 18, 2009 D 1-1

Season 2 Home Average: 7,193

Season 3

1st home match: 10,024 v Perth Glory on August 16, 2009 W 2-1
2nd home match: 7,578 v Adelaide United on September 4, 2009 D 1-1
3rd home match: 9,713 v North Queensland Fury on September 20, 2009 D 1-1
4th home match: 6,769 v Central Coast Mariners on September 27, 2009 D 0-0
5th home match: 6,571 v Gold Coast United on October 25, 2009 W 6-0
6th home match: 4,100 v Newcastle Jets on November 4, 2009 W 3-0
7th home match: 6,930 v Perth Glory on November 8, 2009 D 1-1
8th home match: 8,200 v Melbourne Victory on December 4, 2009 D 1-1
9th home match: 6,936 v Sydney FC in Palmerston North on December 12, 2009 L 0-1
10th home match: 8,125 v Brisbane Roar on January 9, 2010 W 3-1
11th home match: 7,727 v North Queensland Fury on January 15 2010 W 3-0
12th home match: 19,258 v Adelaide United in Christchurch on January 30, 2010 W 1-0
13th home match: 14,327 v Central Coast Mariners on February 12, 2010 W 3-0
14th home match play off: 24,278 v Perth Glory on February 21, 2010 W 1-1 (4-2)pens
15th home match play off: 32,792 v Newcastle Jets on March 7, 2010 W 3-1 (extra time)

Season 3 Home Average only for Westpac Stadium, Excluding play offs: 8,187

Season 3 Home Average only for Westpac Stadium, Including play offs: 11,318

Season 3 Home away from Home Average: 13,097

Season 3 Home Average all regular season games: 8,942

Season 3 Home Average all games: 11,555

Season 4

Exhibition home match: 11,751 v Boca Juniors on July 23, 2010 W 2-1
1st home match: 8,398 v Gold Coast United on August 13, 2010 D 3-3
2nd home match: 9,553 v Central Coast Mariners on August , 2010 W 2-0
3rd home match: 8,453 v Sydney FC on September 11, 2010 W 2-1

Season 4 Home Average (so far, Excluding Boca Juniors): 8,801

Season 4 Home Average (so far, Including Boca Juniors): 9,539

Total for all seasons and all games: 439,282

19 Wins

12 Draws

7 Losses

69 Goals For

42 Goals Against

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Using the Westpac Stadium published (on website) attendances and excluding exhibition games (LA Galaxy & Boca) but including playoff games 423,235 have watched the Nix at the RoF.

We've got 11 more games at the RoF this season so we should easily get to half a million this season

Half a million watching the Nix at the RoF is, I think, a pretty cool milestone - hopefully the press (cue Piney) picks it up.

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

surprised to see attendances are down this year on average for the first three games

paulm2010-09-15 18:12:05

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Have ticket prices gone up?

Three for me, and two for them.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Thanks Oceanic6.

As I mentioned in another thread - is anyone disappointed by the low attendance so far?

Maybe I was expecting too much after a good end to last season and a great WC showing.

Modest increase in membership and modest crowds so far.

Underwhelmed.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Must admit i thought we would get 10k each match minimum. There is a lot more nix stuff in the media, especially compared to previous seasons, which i thought were party to blame for the lacking crowds.

Hopefully as the weather improves and other sports begin to finish we will see a big pick up.

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The weather has been dodgy for pretty much all our home games. Pretty sure there was some rain on all 3.

I'm happy it hasn't gone down like 90% of the crowds in the a-league.

I think bandwagoners have had too much football for a while.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CCM game on the sunday was a beaut.

Buffy, prices gone up from $25 to $27 for an adult in the zone. only a couple of bucks increase but just that little closer to $30 could be a mental put off.

22 unbeaten games at the stadium, finish 1 game away from the final, I mean what the feck do they have to do to get the season 1 crowds back?

George Costanza2010-09-15 21:24:39

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Basically, it seems these casual punters just do not come out until its an 'important' game...normal league games not being deemed as important in their minds...

Be interesting to see what next Friday's crowd is, although I guess it probably depends a bit on these next 2 games (not always the case though I suppose).

I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that? I'm not sure I will bother going to it, but then I am not a Kiwi so it's a bit different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that?

Yep - can't see any big crowds without some major promotion (and fine weather).

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

George Costanza wrote:

so do the prices increase on 1 october GST?

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

I'm also thinking this Paraguay game is going to fall far short of the expected sell out - anyone else thinking that?

Yep - can't see any big crowds without some major promotion (and fine weather).

I've not seen any promotion since basically the day it was announced. Only knew the tickets were even on sale because I was looking for something else on Ticketek.

I haven't heard ANY non-football fan mention it at all, which wasn't the case when the Bahrain game was coming up. Tricky to promote friendlies though. Personally I really don't like international friendlies in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sell out expected? Not from the moment two matches were announced. Divides fan base. And nothing in it anyway.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wellington's love affair with football is over. Time to send the team down to Christchurch permanently...

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why, to help with the clean up operation?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

f**k me we make a lot of excuses for the crowds. Time, weather, coverage etc.

I don't think we'll start seeing 10-12k until end of the season if we are really in the hunt for the title/playoffs.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

All Whites have just cracked the top 50 on FIFA rankings for this month, despite not playing a game. Just imagine what could happen if they beat Paraguay & Honduras.

Seriously though, how often does NZ get to see 2 top 50 sides play each other? This might get a few more in the stands.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On a wednesday night in Welly though? I think they'll be lucky to get 10-12,000.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zonknz wrote:

On a wednesday night in Welly though? I think they'll be lucky to get 10-12,000.

Its TUESDAY 12th October Zonknz. No crowds for wednesday for sure.

Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lets split the difference and call it mid-week. I'd still be surprised to see above 12,000.

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Whitby boy wrote:

Using the Westpac Stadium published (on website) attendances and excluding exhibition games (LA Galaxy & Boca) but including playoff games 423,235 have watched the Nix at the RoF.

We've got 11 more games at the RoF this season so we should easily get to half a million this season

Half a million watching the Nix at the RoF is, I think, a pretty cool milestone - hopefully the press (cue Piney) picks it up.

I didn't even think to look at the Westpac site, so will double check the figures! Ta.

Boys who commented above, this thread is only in relation to the Phoenix so please talk about the All whites crowds in the All whites section.

I too am underwhelmed. Hope to see more people when other sports finish up for the season. I also found this comparison to other teams in the league. 5th on the league ladder and 5th in attendance numbers.

A-League 2010/2011 .:. Attendance .:. Home matches

# Team sum Matches average 1

Melbourne Victory 58.981 4 14.745 2

Perth Glory 49.334 4 12.334 3

Sydney FC 29.811 3 9.937 4

Brisbane Roar 17.678 2 8.839 5

Wellington Phoenix 26.404 3 8.801 6

Adelaide United 25.420 3 8.473 7

Newcastle United Jets 15.801 2 7.901 8

Central Coast Mariners 21.602 3 7.201 9

Melbourne Heart 21.112 3 7.037 10

North Queensland Fury 11.307 2 5.654 11

Gold Coast United 10.018 2 5.009 overall 287.468 31 9.273

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

HarryHotspur wrote:

Sell out expected? Not from the moment two matches were announced. Divides fan base. And nothing in it anyway.

Pretty sure NZF were saying they at least 'hoped' for a sell out.

There's a number of All Whites in the Phoenix side and yet crowds are not higher at all?

Basically, there's apathy amongst many people, and it's not just football - Lions and Hurricanes crowds are hardly anything to get excited about either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mmmmm but the population of Wellington is about 160,000 - the whole Wellington region, including Kapiti, Hutt and Wairarapa is about 452,000, the population of Adelaide is 1,400,000, Brisbane 1,820,000 Melbourne 3,900,000, Sydney 4,450,000 ...... kind of puts it into perspective