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about 8 years ago

Nz_Dave wrote:

My 2c  - The people best placed to know the details of his coaching badges are Ramon and any potential employers he has applied to.  If he was likely to finish it in May as first reported (now people are saying August) you'd have thought he have at least got a look in at the AWs gig (there wasn't a huge rush on that appointment given the time of the WC cycle) - yet he didn't. Similar seems to have happened with previous tilts at AL jobs as well.

Seems to me like there is something to all this that isn't as simple as "he has his A and will have his Pro very soon". I don't think it's a huge leap to put some credibility in these claims either his acadef qual isn't up to snuff (2 month course seems a bit off) or he has failed his attempts at the pro a few times and that's got employers jumpy.

Or if you actually look at the acadef website you see the level 3 course which allows you to coach at an national and international level requires 600 hours theoretical, 200 hours practical training and 75 hours for the final project (bit more than 2 months) and he's working towards it (you obviously don't get it over night)

If there was an issue with his licence he wouldn't have got through the door for his previous interviews with A-League teams

There are 2 issues one is that he is currently in an amateur league and alot of people can't get past that and also I think he has been wanting to be the head coach, whereas he could have got into an A-League club if he'd been willing to take an assistant's role and work his way up (which is what he did at ACFC) 

Except, being a foreigner, he needed to have a pro licence even to be an assistant. I guess there would be an option to be employed to help without actually being labelled an assistant and sitting on the bench?

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about 8 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Any Yellow Fever members got their relevant licenses?

Reading some of the matchday threads you'd be forgiven for thinking that there are plenty of people who think they could do a better job at the helm!

Football manager computer game counts, right? 


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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Nz_Dave wrote:

My 2c  - The people best placed to know the details of his coaching badges are Ramon and any potential employers he has applied to.  If he was likely to finish it in May as first reported (now people are saying August) you'd have thought he have at least got a look in at the AWs gig (there wasn't a huge rush on that appointment given the time of the WC cycle) - yet he didn't. Similar seems to have happened with previous tilts at AL jobs as well.

Seems to me like there is something to all this that isn't as simple as "he has his A and will have his Pro very soon". I don't think it's a huge leap to put some credibility in these claims either his acadef qual isn't up to snuff (2 month course seems a bit off) or he has failed his attempts at the pro a few times and that's got employers jumpy.

Or if you actually look at the acadef website you see the level 3 course which allows you to coach at an national and international level requires 600 hours theoretical, 200 hours practical training and 75 hours for the final project (bit more than 2 months) and he's working towards it (you obviously don't get it over night)

If there was an issue with his licence he wouldn't have got through the door for his previous interviews with A-League teams

There are 2 issues one is that he is currently in an amateur league and alot of people can't get past that and also I think he has been wanting to be the head coach, whereas he could have got into an A-League club if he'd been willing to take an assistant's role and work his way up (which is what he did at ACFC) 

Except, being a foreigner, he needed to have a pro licence even to be an assistant. I guess there would be an option to be employed to help without actually being labelled an assistant and sitting on the bench?

The simple way around it is get employed as a consultant and then they have some one with a license sitting on the bench to cover that - bit like Des and Greenie

Does being a NZ resident get you around the foreigner thing? If so it would explain how Ramon was offered the Western Sydney assistant role when Gambau got the 1st team job there 

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Does being a NZ resident get you around the foreigner thing? If so it would explain how Ramon was offered the Western Sydney assistant role when Gambau got the 1st team job there 

Does being an NZ resident make a player not count as an import at an Aussie club? 

Being a resident doesnt even make a player a local at the Phoenix. You've gotta have citizenship. 


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about 8 years ago

The document I linked to above says "Overseas Coaches (those who do not hold Australian citizenship or residency)"

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

scribbler wrote:

If the Nix can find a new coach in the next few weeks (before the season ends), would Greenie pass over the reigns and assist the new guy till we've played our last game? 

Sounds sensible, since Greenie is not qualified to be our permanent first team coach.

We've got the have the new coach in place before the end of the season. That way he can see the current squad train and play, and make his own decisions on who he wants to keep. Otherwise, someone else might make those decisions for him. And we know how well that's worked in the past.   

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about 8 years ago

My vote is for Ramon if he meets the coaching eligibility criteria - if he doesn't - hurry up and appoint someone that does please.

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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

The document I linked to above says "Overseas Coaches (those who do not hold Australian citizenship or residency)"

but doesn't this also count for NZ - ie Ricki wasn't an Aussie citizen or resident?

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2ndBest wrote:

The document I linked to above says "Overseas Coaches (those who do not hold Australian citizenship or residency)"

but doesn't this also count for NZ - ie Ricki wasn't an Aussie citizen or resident?

Ricki coached before the Pro licence requirement was a thing (it came into effect 2015/16).

Ricki also held a Pro licence from 2008 onwards when he was at the Nix despite not needing it.


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about 8 years ago

Ricki was before 2015 when the change came in. (also, pretty sure he does his pro)

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about 8 years ago

Which really makes you wonder how anyone could not get it if Ricki could. 

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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Which really makes you wonder how anyone could not get it if Ricki could. 

it's only speculation on here thats decided Ramon has failed it!

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about 8 years ago

My vote is for Ramon if he meets the coaching eligibility criteria - if he doesn't - hurry up and appoint someone that does please.

They have a thorough and exhaustive worldwide search to undertake first.
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about 8 years ago

Might be late to the conversation but is Transfermarkt a valid source? Because that has Ramon's profile up there, which does say he has a UEFA Pro License....

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ramon-tribulietx/erfolge/trainer/17036

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about 8 years ago

Can't fail if you never actually sit it.

Smort.

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about 8 years ago

football137 wrote:

Might be late to the conversation but is Transfermarkt a valid source? Because that has Ramon's profile up there, which does say he has a UEFA Pro License....

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ramon-tribulietx/erf...

Generally isn't considered reliable, but doesn't help when OFC say he has a Pro License and he actually doesn't.

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about 8 years ago

football137 wrote:

Might be late to the conversation but is Transfermarkt a valid source? Because that has Ramon's profile up there, which does say he has a UEFA Pro License....

https://www.transfermarkt.com/ramon-tribulietx/erfolge/trainer/17036

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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ricki was before 2015 when the change came in. (also, pretty sure he does his pro)

DoI recall correctly there was a story where he did his final course with Roy Keane or something?
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about 8 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ricki was before 2015 when the change came in. (also, pretty sure he does his pro)

DoI recall correctly there was a story where he did his final course with Roy Keane or something?

Yeah and he used the All Blacks as his case study as none of the other A-League clubs would have welcomed him in as he was in charge of the Nix at the time

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about 8 years ago

Forgetting the validity of the Spanish accreditation for the moment, some people are talking about a pass/fail for this qualification but it looks more to me like a course that has a wide range of components to it [theory, practicum, residential etc and is more akin to the old coaching level 2 type process than an University Degree exam at the end of a years study. "Failures" if you want to call them that are most likely to those that pull out rather than fail some final test. I'm also presuming that these type of courses are designed predominantly to upskill people not to pass or fail them. Does that make sense?

The NZF/OFC licenses involve classroom and practical components during a course period (2 periods for A-License) and submission of video and audio of part of a training session (alongside a plan of what you did for the rest of the session) with your team. You can make as many attempts as you need to within a certain period of time to get a pass. The UEFA Pro License also requires a thesis, and it appears that the NZF/OFC one will as well. No idea how much depth that needs to go into.

Source: Am doing the "C" license and know coaches with/working towards the A.

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Hard News wrote:

Let's just re-iterate there is absolutely not justification to talk Ramon has failed any course.

Correct. It’s more about whether the certificates he has are UEFA certified and valid for an A league (or All Whites) job. 


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Hard News wrote:

Let's just re-iterate there is absolutely not justification to talk Ramon has failed any course.

But he also hasn't passed a UEFA Pro course, so the chance of him failing that (if he's even doing one at all) is non-zero.

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Tegal wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Let's just re-iterate there is absolutely not justification to talk Ramon has failed any course.

Correct. It’s more about whether the certificates he has are UEFA certified and valid for an A league (or All Whites) job. 

well he has the UEFA A-Licence - if he didn't he wouldn't be able to be coaching at the OCL, something he's won 7 times in a row, which I think is probably better than any certificate

hell of a lot of speculation and assumptions being made -  its getting worse than the facebook groups!

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about 8 years ago

I heard the only coaching badge he has is from a Weet-Bix box.



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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

But he also hasn't passed a UEFA Pro course, so the chance of him failing that (if he's even doing one at all) is non-zero.

Fudge off Patrick

hth

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all this speculation - I guess it will continue until the new coach is announced - it won't be Ramon for clear reasons but there will no doubt be a host of complaints that it should have been or that he was robbed.

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about 8 years ago

well he has the UEFA A-Licence - if he didn't he wouldn't be able to be coaching at the OCL, something he's won 7 times in a row, which I think is probably better than any certificate

hell of a lot of speculation and assumptions being made -  its getting worse than the facebook groups!

I doubt OFC have an A Licence requirement. Can't imagine many coach would meet that is some of the island countries. 

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Well this just got a bit awkward:

LinkedIn Yesterday:

LinkedIn Today:


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about 8 years ago

Tegal wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

Any Yellow Fever members got their relevant licenses?

Reading some of the matchday threads you'd be forgiven for thinking that there are plenty of people who think they could do a better job at the helm!

Football manager computer game counts, right? 

20 years of playing various incarnations of E A Sports Fifa Manager is my resume. Does that count? I even got Stockport County into the premiership for one season some years back!!

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about 8 years ago

Baiter wrote:

Well this just got a bit awkward:

LinkedIn Yesterday:

LinkedIn Today:

So is that a step up or a step down?

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about 8 years ago

Fudgeing sad state of affairs when we are looking into a qualification to validate a potential coaching candidate, rather than relative experience, philosophies, track record in clubs, man management (which DK seemed to get very wrong), coaching background etc... 

and yes, I'm well aware that it is out of our control.

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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about 8 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

I heard the only coaching badge he has is from a Weet-Bix box.

Are you sure it wasn't from cubs or scouts?
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about 8 years ago

kwlap wrote:

Fudgeing sad state of affairs when we are looking into a qualification to validate a potential coaching candidate, rather than relative experience, philosophies, track record in clubs, man management (which DK seemed to get very wrong), coaching background etc... 

and yes, I'm well aware that it is out of our control.

Par for the course from FFA management with few clues and delusions of adequacy.

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about 8 years ago

If Kalezic is gone, does that include the coaching staff that he bought in?  The new assistant and the goal keeping coach etc?

If so, who does Greenie have to help him?

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about 8 years ago

Walsall Boy wrote:

If Kalezic is gone, does that include the coaching staff that he bought in?  The new assistant and the goal keeping coach etc?

If so, who does Greenie have to help him?

After 'reading' how horrible they we treated by the former coach all they need is a hug and a Greenie family dinner, then they turn into Messi's.

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kwlap wrote:

Fudgeing sad state of affairs when we are looking into a qualification to validate a potential coaching candidate, rather than relative experience, philosophies, track record in clubs, man management (which DK seemed to get very wrong), coaching background etc... 

and yes, I'm well aware that it is out of our control.

That's right and the just sacked  idiot (Mark Hammett version two) had the qualifications! What a load of crap!

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