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about 8 years ago

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?


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about 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?

Wgtn? did not want to pay him the price to play.

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about 8 years ago

Hard News wrote:

kwlap wrote:

And while I get the point, I'm not sure it is as much of an issue as people make it out to be. Just take a look around the footballing world, there are hundreds of cases of managers without anywhere near the experience Ramon has being given the top job. 

Yes but in most of those cases the club has been around for a hundred years and isn't faced with being summarily executed by the governing body in 12 months time.  If their gamble on an unknown coach goes wrong they know they can change in 12 months and know they have at worst got relegated a division and lost a few fans.

More time in a professional environment than Greenacre?  The guy who signed papers with Man City 27 years ago and has been with professional clubs ever since?

re: your first point - I dont think teams think like that... or at least i cant think of the reasoning for a club to think like that... 

And if we are on the chopping block, then surely its got nothing to do with the man in charge of our team at the point in time? I mean, if we are to be folded, I cant see the difference between us having Rudan, Ramon or Vidmar in charge as the decision to fold the team wouldnt hinge on who was at the helm of the team (more would lie at the feet of the person who is at the helm of the club)

re your second point, not sure we are on the same page, I originally that he(Ramon) has more experience in management of a professional environments than D&G. While I accept that Greenie has been around professional environments, I think they are quite different perspectives between being a player and being a manager. And relevant time in management is more important for me than time in professional environments. 

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about 8 years ago

number8 wrote:

If Ramon is coming, what kind of football could we expect? Offensive, defensive, total football, tiki taka?

Hopefully some style that has Roy and Burnsy into the box instead of down back.

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I'm definitely not sold on Ramon taking the job. What other experience does he have apart from winning the OCL against inferior opposition and being a "technical consultant" for the Canadian Olympic team? None, by the looks of things.

We need proven club changers.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

He can get his licence in the off season. 

the trouble with this is that the club can't/wont hire him now as he doesn't have the license. why would they promise him the job on condition he gains the qualification at the risk on him not gaining said qualification in time for the next season. the management are very risk adverse which would suggest they wont take the chance.

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about 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?

That was Noah Hickey, who's a now long-standing member of the football committee!

A fan is a fan.

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about 8 years ago

I kinda wonder just whether or not this 'committee' is actually a good thing to have. 

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about 8 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?

That was Noah Hickey, who's a now long-standing member of the football committee!

Wait, what, we have a football committee ??   I thought we just have Dome, and Welnix' chequebook. Oh, and we also have the guy that looks like came out of a craft cider ad, doing our media.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

He can get his licence in the off season. 

the trouble with this is that the club can't/wont hire him now as he doesn't have the license. why would they promise him the job on condition he gains the qualification at the risk on him not gaining said qualification in time for the next season. the management are very risk adverse which would suggest they wont take the chance.

I think it has been mentioned on this forum that you don't have to have the licence if you're the coach for less than 12 weeks or something. So we could give him the job now until the end of the season and he would have until October to get everything in order. Surely plenty of time.



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about 8 years ago

Royz wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Royz wrote:

So the new coach will have the same funding woes as Kalezić?.

What funding woes?

Buying better players for next season the club and Kalezic had different views.  I take it was due to funding.

A fair assumption on the surface

But consider the amount of players and coaches bought in and others paid out when departing and I think it starts to become clear that the board have thrown spades of money at this team. which perhaps helps explain why they are now so keen to get rid of the guy they had previously backed and who asked them to spend this money in order to back him

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about 8 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?

That was Noah Hickey, who's a now long-standing member of the football committee!

Na, that was Danny Hay. He wanted to continue the half arse effort that was going on at the Knights and commute from Auckland. He and his ego went on and on about it in the press too - 'if they want me these are my terms' etc etc etc. Apparently he just got laughed at and never heard back

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

Royz wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Royz wrote:

So the new coach will have the same funding woes as Kalezić?.

What funding woes?

Buying better players for next season the club and Kalezic had different views.  I take it was due to funding.

A fair assumption on the surface

But consider the amount of players and coaches bought in and others paid out when departing and I think it starts to become clear that the board have thrown spades of money at this team. which perhaps helps explain why they are now so keen to get rid of the guy they had previously backed and who asked them to spend this money in order to back him

Dome said the issue was with playing style going forwards and strategy around local players.

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about 8 years ago

Happy to have they first and the second can happen on merit.  I cant see a team of local players winning the league.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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For me, rankings go;

Popovic (proven at A-League level, knows how to clear out dead wood). Likely won't come.

Ramon (not proven at a professional level, but has respect in NZ footballing community)

Vidmar. (has not coached day in day out in years, and the last time he did he blew up at the entire Adelaide community)

Rudan (won't come)

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about 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

For me, rankings go;

Popovic (proven at A-League level, knows how to clear out dead wood). Likely won't come.

Ramon (not proven at a professional level, but has respect in NZ footballing community)

Vidmar. (has not coached day in day out in years, and the last time he did he blew up at the entire Adelaide community)

Rudan (won't come)

Why even list Poppa? May as well list Pep Guardiola, he's not gonna come either.  Poppa's is trying to go up in the world, and coaching Phoenix is not going to improve his CV or his wages. Ernie might have chosen the Nix as a way to get back in the A-League after he was sacked years ago and went abroad, and it seems to have worked out well for him as he's now barnstorming with the Jets.  Poppa does not need to prove anything to anyone at this (A-League) level.

The only other coach similar to Aurelio Vidmar (= knows A League, has a point to prove) would be Mike Mulvey.  

Ramon is a different offering to the above two, but a decent contender. If he ends up with a sharkty season with us, he would want to stay on and fix it, because he would have more to lose than Vidmar, Rudan or Mulvey.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I think Vidmar makes a lot of sense. While he's been out of the A-league for 8 years he has been in the Socceroos setup and should have a very good idea of what is going on. He also had a solid record at Bangkok Glass last season (16 wins, 6 draws, 8 losses). 

Mark Rudan is an interesting proposition. While we're more familiar with him as a player and pundit, he won the NSWPL twice with Sydney United, as well as the NPL tournament once. The big mark against him is that was all with a semi-pro club. Are we in a position where we want to take that punt? It would also take tracking down some Sydney United games to figure out his footballing philosophy unless the club want to take him at his word.

Everyone knows what Ramon brings to the table, and while he has the same question mark as Rudan, I think a lot of people underestimate how professional the approach and standards are at Auckland City. Plus, we know he has worked with A-League quality players.

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about 8 years ago

yellowsite wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Danny Hay wouldn't move to Wellington in 2007 to play; why would he move in 2018 to coach?

That was Noah Hickey, who's a now long-standing member of the football committee!

Or Ivan Vicelich?



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about 8 years ago

Brett Angell?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Brett Angell?

“COME ON”

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

valeo wrote:

For me, rankings go;

Popovic (proven at A-League level, knows how to clear out dead wood). Likely won't come.

Ramon (not proven at a professional level, but has respect in NZ footballing community)

Vidmar. (has not coached day in day out in years, and the last time he did he blew up at the entire Adelaide community)

Rudan (won't come)

Why even list Poppa? May as well list Pep Guardiola, he's not gonna come either.  Poppa's is trying to go up in the world, and coaching Phoenix is not going to improve his CV or his wages. Ernie might have chosen the Nix as a way to get back in the A-League after he was sacked years ago and went abroad, and it seems to have worked out well for him as he's now barnstorming with the Jets.  Poppa does not need to prove anything to anyone at this (A-League) level.

The only other coach similar to Aurelio Vidmar (= knows A League, has a point to prove) would be Mike Mulvey.  

Ramon is a different offering to the above two, but a decent contender. If he ends up with a sharkty season with us, he would want to stay on and fix it, because he would have more to lose than Vidmar, Rudan or Mulvey.

Listed Popa as best case, probably won't happen scenario.

Mike Mulvey has an ego the size of Texas; won't fit a club like us.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Neil Emblen would probably do a good job

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Doesn't have a pro or a licence as far as I know.

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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

I gather Emblen didn't end up joining Hudson at Colorado in the end?

He is in fact there right now.

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about 8 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

Brett Angell?

Preeeeettty sure he never asked the 'Nix to pay for him to commute to Wellington to play footy



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about 8 years ago

reg22 wrote:

I gather Emblen didn't end up joining Hudson at Colorado in the end?

He is in fact there right now.

Cheers Andrew

I'm glad he got a good pro gig

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about 8 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

Brett Angell?

“COME ON”

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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about 8 years ago

Sorry but there was really only one C'mon in New Zealand

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Married at first sight Australia is not as dramatic as the Phoenix dramas this season

They may end up with more married couples at the end of it then players and coaches at the Nix


Auckland will rise once more

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about 8 years ago

Money?(i know it's very unlikely)

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about 8 years ago

Married at first sight Australia is not as dramatic as the Phoenix dramas this season

They may end up with more married couples at the end of it then players and coaches at the Nix

PMSL. Now that is funny!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

The Phoenix probably only have one more go at this. Has to be Ramon Tribulietx.

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about 8 years ago

Yes, blame Darije for your lacklustre performances, Gui.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

I'm definitely not sold on Ramon taking the job. What other experience does he have apart from winning the OCL against inferior opposition and being a "technical consultant" for the Canadian Olympic team? None, by the looks of things.

We need proven club changers.

Remon had a few assistant jobs back in the Spanish 2nd Div, also worked as a technical analyser in some of the teams. This is how Exposito and others ended up playing at ACFC as they had all played at the clubs where he had worked. He didn’t just arrive here and get the ACFC job with no experience. 

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about 8 years ago

I'm definitely not sold on Ramon taking the job. What other experience does he have apart from winning the OCL against inferior opposition and being a "technical consultant" for the Canadian Olympic team? None, by the looks of things.

We need proven club changers.

Remon had a few assistant jobs back in the Spanish 2nd Div, also worked as a technical analyser in some of the teams. This is how Exposito and others ended up playing at ACFC as they had all played at the clubs where he had worked. He didn’t just arrive here and get the ACFC job with no experience. 

Okay, well that's slightly more promising. Can he handle a list revamp for a professional side, though?

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 8 years ago

oh, well.  This could be awkward.


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about 8 years ago

You can coach for 12 weeks in a caretaker roll without a dispensation. He could be the caretaker to the end of the year and then sign on full time if he passes in May.

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about 8 years ago

My read of that is that he has no qualifications, not just missing the pro.

I mean OCL just needs one of the lowest level Oceania ones so if he needed a dispensation for that then that would suggest he has close to nothing recognised.


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