Darije Kalezić: We hardly knew ye.

He’ll be applying apparently - https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/tribulietx-keen-on-wellington-job-486127

As someone posted yesterday his lack of experience in a professional environment is a significant hindrance to him getting a first team gig. 

I'd be stoked if a deal could be arranged where he was assistant here with a view to getting some experience at this level before head coach became an option but I also suspect that this would be perceived as beneath him by alot of people (not necessarily him) and would probably make it impossible to achieve.

Is it though? Auckland city is all but a professional club, as many have said on here before. Also, he has taken AC to multiple world club cups, which the time away with players and staff would be run like any professional environments, even if only temporarily. Id say he has more experience in management of a professional environment than Greenie or Des, yet we happily appointed them.

And while I get the point, I'm not sure it is as much of an issue as people make it out to be. Just take a look around the footballing world, there are hundreds of cases of managers without anywhere near the experience Ramon has being given the top job. 

On the assistant idea, Im a big fan of it, but not sure it would work, I could see it being a Rado/DK situation all over again

Tribulietx keen on Wellington job

How much more does Ramon need to do to get a pro gig? Please let it happen.

Yes but in most of those cases the club has been around for a hundred years and isn't faced with being summarily executed by the governing body in 12 months time.  If their gamble on an unknown coach goes wrong they know they can change in 12 months and know they have at worst got relegated a division and lost a few fans.

More time in a professional environment than Greenacre?  The guy who signed papers with Man City 27 years ago and has been with professional clubs ever since?

Wellnix could recover some much needed brownie points from the NZ football fan base by appointing him.

What. The 400 people that watch the NZFC each weekend and the media luvvies? Well that should make a difference.

You would have to ask all the other clubs he's been linked with over the last five years why they have passed.

Brisbane Roar - the ownership of the club changed just after he had an interview and the new owners went for Aloisi

Western Sydney - was offered the assistant role to Gumbau (sp?) but it would have left ACFC in the lurch just before the CWC and he didn't want to do that

He has also been offered jobs in Hong Kong and somewhere else in Asia, but turned them down as he gets alot more freedom at ACFC than they would have given him

Also he doesn't come across well in interviews, prefers his record to do the talking, but many club chairmen \ CEOs like those that can BS and get taken in by that (NZF - Hudson, Welnix - Darjie etc)

You have done nothing there to dispute my points and concerns I raised yesterday.  In fact if anything you have proved my points.

City is a comfort zone for him and he has made little effort to get outside that comfort zone and prove himself at a professional club even though he has had the chance.

He prefers his record as the bully in a paddling pool and that he can get a side up for one-off games as proof that he is capable of running a full professional club through a full season?

That would be a stretch for any employer.

Look at the blamestorming going on here now after one coach hasn't worked and imagine it in 12 months time if Ramon didn't work out?

I think that's the big gamble. If the Nix had just signed a ten year extension to their A-League deal that kind of gamble would be worth taking. Not sure at this stage we can take that kind of risk.

Well hell, they took a risk on Greenie and Des and it didn't work. They took a gamble on Kalezic and it didn't work. Any appointment is a risk, even Pep or Mourinho. So if that's the case, take a risk on Ramon.

ACFC is run as a professional club, albeit in an amateur league, they train 5 times a week and with players having day jobs as well, the fact he has managed to maintain the high standards is a testament to him - imagine what he could do with players whose only job was to concentrate on football

I would like to see him in the job, but I don't think he will be offered it

I just don't buy this, is Aurelio Vidmar automatically a better choice because he has previously coached an A League team? 

I don't think Vidmar is a better option, I do think Popovic and Rudan probably are in the situation the Phoenix are in.

I think the general assumption is he's being groomed for the Sydney job once Arnie takes over the Socceroos after the world cup so the point may be moot.  

Suspect that if he's lined up for the Sydney gig he must be on his way with the qualifications.

Good to see Ramon has thrown his hat in the ring at least.

Public pressure for him to get the job will certainly be there.

So of the four rumoured candidates:

Rudan (my pick) wants the Sydney job.

Popovic: no way he ever comes to Wellington.

and

Ramon > Vidmar. So it will be Ramon!

And now watch as next week the Nix announce Greenacre will be the new full-time coach! 

Unless there's someone else, known only to the club, waiting to be sprung on us. Nothing would surprise me at this point.  

so if it is to be Ramon and I'd be happy if he was interested - the question remains - how do the club get around the lack of the required qualification? As I understand it the FFA requires it, its not just the club. Can we as a club get a dispensation from the FFA (however unlikely that would seem).

He can get his licence in the off season. 

So the new coach will have the same funding woes as Kalezić?.

If he does. It’s not a given. He could fail. So we’d either have to get dispensation, or wait a few months before hiring him and hope he does complete it in the offseason. 

I tend to agree with Baiter. Ramon doesn’t come without risk. He’s still up there as an option though, just not as safe a bet as a lot are making him out to be. 

What funding woes?

I thought it was more to do with footballing philosophy - the club and the coach being far apart

Yeah.  The owners wanted to win and Kalezic doesn't know how.  That sort of philosophy.

I'm going to put it out there that a side with Rossi, Vidosic, McGlinchey, Dura, Krishna, Kaluderovic and Finkler was never a side that was significantly under the cap - in fact I suspect at least one Marquee spot was used but do not know for sure.  The problem was that a majority of that list has failed to perform (or run) and still used most of the salary cap.

That's not a funding issue.  Never was.

If Ramon is coming, what kind of football could we expect? Offensive, defensive, total football, tiki taka?

So we're not good at selecting players and we're not good at selecting coaches?

Otherwise, all good!

I read somewhere that Dario was listed as our Marquee player originally, so maybe we he left that became Burns?

I'd also prefer Popovic over all the other names listed. 

How beautiful hindsight is.

He's not.  Better to accept it now.

My comment was facetious, frustrated and a fart in the dark.  We look good on paper!  Whoopee.

Only one of those is consistently starting and performing.

Some people gotta take a trip down memory lane and realise the Ernie Merricks and Ricky Herberts had no professional management experience before taking up their roles. The A-league was only established in 2005 so it was changing environment for football in Australia with all the coaches adapting to the professional environment. I'm sure Ramon could do no worse than what we have now or have had before him, the bar is really that low..

UEFA Pro licence - If its ok as top for this crowd why do FFA not consider it Ok

a worldwide search will commence and...... See and Greenie will be appointed