Now you are just making sht up. Remind what league your pro City team IS going to play in?
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Actually Auckland had heaps of time to put another franchise bid together for the A-League license when the Knights imploded. And early on I even remember Seatter be totally dismissive of the idea that the license could go anywhere else. Terry didn't win a bidding war, there were no other bids.
And of course Auckland could put another bid together at any time and bid for an A-League license. That would be cool in fact.
So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".
Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?
Actually Auckland had heaps of time to put another franchise bid together for the A-League license when the Knights imploded. And early on I even remember Seatter be totally dismissive of the idea that the license could go anywhere else. Terry didn't win a bidding war, there were no other bids.
And of course Auckland could put another bid together at any time and bid for an A-League license. That would be cool in fact.
So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".
Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?
Terminater_X read what you just wrote. Terry took over the A-league LICENSE created by the Kingz, then given to the Knights - because there were no other bids. This is the same LICENSE I've been trying to get through to you (in the face of constant denial) that has a special Fifa dispensation for a NZ-based A League club provided the local league is AMATUER! So all you lot who keep saying the Nix have nothing to do with any restrictions being put on any other NZ team being professional, please wake up and smell the coffee. Crikey, I just heard a penny drop somewhere in Welly. Dave, you should know this stuff.
Would love to see another NZ team there, a welly auckland derby would have huge potential and the aussie market will soon reach a maximum, so if the a league does expand its only option will be here.
Great reply Terminator.
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Please guys, can I go now?
Spread the love, spread the love.
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^Needs more quoting skills
Thank you 2ndBest. Thirty years of being a sodden and embittered hack will do that to you. Just ask Bob Pearce.
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Please guys, can I go now?
Yes go you are tedious as hell.
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Please guys, can I go now?
Spread the love, spread the love.
well how about answering Term X properly.
How come we didn't see a Akld Croat consortium coming forward in 2007 who were going to playing a purely NZ XI?
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Otago/Dunedin team? Bahahahahahahahahahaha.
I'm just saying it would be nice to see it spread around the country a bit. Obviously Otago/Dunedin would never happen as no one would be interested.
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how can Bluemagic claim to understand football when he can't even comprehend the meaning of statements such as "i'm off now, that's it from me, i'll let it rest" etc, etc, etc?
having suggested in words similar to those above - on 3 or 4 or is it 5 occasions now - that he is about to find meaning in his life elsewhere, the sooner that actually happens the better
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Now hold on, is it actually true or is it not that it is a condition of the Nix's A-League licence that the NZFC be entirely amateur? Bluemagic keeps saying this, everyone else keeps denying it, I'm frankly skeptical.
But even if it were, I say bloody good that the NZFC should be an amateur competition, because anything else in the current economic climate is unsustainable. I wasn't around in the late 80's early 90's, but I've heard ugly rumour that crazy spending by the pro clubs we had back then just about wrecked the round-ball game in this country. Perhaps when all eight teams (not just ACFC and Hicksville) can afford to go semi-pro, but not before.
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But even if it were, I say bloody good that the NZFC should be an amateur competition, because anything else in the current economic climate is unsustainable. I wasn't around in the late 80's early 90's, but I've heard ugly rumour that crazy spending by the pro clubs we had back then just about wrecked the round-ball game in this country. Perhaps when all eight teams (not just ACFC and Hicksville) can afford to go semi-pro, but not before.
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So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".
Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?
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[QUOTE=Bluemagic] Because the chairman says they are NOT friggin' allowed. If City go professional domestically, the Nix can't be in the A League. When I asked why don't we put an Auckland team in the A League alongside the Nix (provided we could find the funds) it's because the Asians would seriously fight against two NZ-based teams (they're already trying to scupper you guys), the other Australian clubs aren't keen and if City go that way they can't be in the CWC as Oceania champs, which is the ONLY realistic way City could finance a professional team. See the VICIOUS CYCLE I'm talking about. So you're it guys.
Please try to grasp this, it's not lack of ambition, the CWC results proved that. I would absolutely love it to have City in the A-League (or Auckland United) and so would a lot of supporters up here. We have some serious financial backers in the local Central Croats but they can't finance an A-League club without the CWC millions. I also admit it would be hard to raise funds in Auckland, outside of CWC winnings, after the Knights debacle (imagine trying to launch another A-League team in Wellingon if the Nix imploded). If someone like Hart would invest $10 million in another A-league adventure it could happen but it would require taking on the AFC and I don't think we would win. I can't see another Auckland A League side (for the forseeable future) no matter how much ambition is thrown at it. City is a mighty ambitious little club but now we can only be that way within the CWC rules. Remember, we're effectively financing the whole NZFC now with our winnings.
So Guys, don't tell us to think bigger, how about you guys thinking a little more locally instead. We're bustin' our guts within the constraints put upon us. The chairman mortgaged his property to send the team to the CWC to prove what they can do. Trust money is tough to come by now, just ask Rex Dawkins. They're back to playing in a paddock.
This is like Chinese water torture, but I was warned.
You're the one making it difficult mate but anyway that's by the by. Simply, ACFC have used their amateur status to take a shed load from the trusts (over half a mil a year) to finance their tilt at the CWC. Now that they've got money from that tournament they want to go pro in an amateur league which has no income, and no possibility of other income because it's an amateur league without television coverage etc. In the process they would prevent every kid in that league from going to the US on college scholarships, which is a big deal.
They would be the only pro team in an amateur league, where there is no way the other teams could match you because of their amateur status and they wouldn't be able to go pro because they require trust funding. Which would completely screw up the NZFC.
By going pro they would also make it difiicult for any other team to compete with them for that spot at the CWC.
Additionally, if they didn't make the CWC or lost in the first round or Oceania was excluded they would then have no income to pay their players and would probably go back to their amateur status and start going back to trillian with their hand out. That's of course not my issue but it seems like a fairly stupid idea to me
So tell me again why anyone outside of your blinkered f**king stupid little world thinks that's a good idea for anyone in NZ apart from Auckland City and it's knitting circle? And to think that your original title was how the Phoenix were bad for football...
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Now hold on, is it actually true or is it not that it is a condition of the Nix's A-League licence that the NZFC be entirely amateur? Bluemagic keeps saying this, everyone else keeps denying it, I'm frankly skeptical.
But even if it were, I say bloody good that the NZFC should be an amateur competition, because anything else in the current economic climate is unsustainable. I wasn't around in the late 80's early 90's, but I've heard ugly rumour that crazy spending by the pro clubs we had back then just about wrecked the round-ball game in this country. Perhaps when all eight teams (not just ACFC and Hicksville) can afford to go semi-pro, but not before.
?But even if it were, I say bloody good that the NZFC should be an amateur competition, because anything else in the current economic climate is unsustainable. I wasn't around in the late 80's early 90's, but I've heard ugly rumour that crazy spending by the pro clubs we had back then just about wrecked the round-ball game in this country. Perhaps when all eight teams (not just ACFC and Hicksville) can afford to go semi-pro, but not before.
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Perhaps when all eight teams (not just ACFC and Hicksville) can afford to go semi-pro, but not before.
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Picking up a meme from Bluemagic, who uses that derogatory term to refer to Waitakere. ;)
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I see where Blue Magic is coming from now, but surely you can't expect the Nix to sign all the 'promising locals' just because you guys are in the situation you are in. We have signed many kiwis in our time and to be honest, I'd think Barron or Scott would be signed to the nix before any of the auckland city boys. Spoonley could come into the mix I guess.
Oh and with your little conundrum about city going pro, I don't think the constraints you listed are all covered. I think the Aussies wouldn't mind another team in the league, but in time.
But my main problem with your argument is saying that you would go pro in NZFC if the nix didnt exist? I DON'T THINK SO. Well I don't think many of the other teams in the league would let you unless they all were to go pro, and in that case, we would have our own kiwi league of pros and the nix could join that if they had to.
So maybe the ball is in your court... well atleast its out of the Phoenix's.
You're not going to be able to go pro in the NZFC even if you do have the money, and even if the nix didn't exist, you'd have to have the whole league go pro... So its not up to the nix to sort out your problem, its up to your admin to make a bid for the A-League to prove you got the cash and can walk all your talk. Then settle it with Asia and join the League, or get a fully Pro league in NZ where the nix would join and then probably take your CWC cash from you in the end anyway.
So either way, you lose out on your main cash flow from the CWC unless you stay put.
Oh and with your little conundrum about city going pro, I don't think the constraints you listed are all covered. I think the Aussies wouldn't mind another team in the league, but in time.
But my main problem with your argument is saying that you would go pro in NZFC if the nix didnt exist? I DON'T THINK SO. Well I don't think many of the other teams in the league would let you unless they all were to go pro, and in that case, we would have our own kiwi league of pros and the nix could join that if they had to.
So maybe the ball is in your court... well atleast its out of the Phoenix's.
You're not going to be able to go pro in the NZFC even if you do have the money, and even if the nix didn't exist, you'd have to have the whole league go pro... So its not up to the nix to sort out your problem, its up to your admin to make a bid for the A-League to prove you got the cash and can walk all your talk. Then settle it with Asia and join the League, or get a fully Pro league in NZ where the nix would join and then probably take your CWC cash from you in the end anyway.
So either way, you lose out on your main cash flow from the CWC unless you stay put.
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Let's get this clear. ACFC DO NOT have the money to fund an A-League team. That's a complete red herring
Yes, the original permission for the Kingz and the Knights to play in Australia was on the basis that NZ did not have a professional league. But there are far more considerations against Auckland City (and the NZFC) turning pro than just keeping the Phoenix's participation in the A-League alive (even though that in itself would be enough) - see my post above.
The other point is why does ACFC want to turn pro? Answer - so they can distribute the CWC money to their players.
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Because ethey won't distribute it to them anyway.
If the NCAA found out about some of what goes down there could be HUGE implications.
Wayward, I do know all this stuff, I haven't argued with that stuff apart from suggesting that the Phoenix alone being the problem is simplistic and spurious. Read JD's stuff, and the posts where I have repeatedly mentioned these issues that you have ignored as you bulldoze your blue tinted and skewed version of the world.
If the NCAA found out about some of what goes down there could be HUGE implications.
Wayward, I do know all this stuff, I haven't argued with that stuff apart from suggesting that the Phoenix alone being the problem is simplistic and spurious. Read JD's stuff, and the posts where I have repeatedly mentioned these issues that you have ignored as you bulldoze your blue tinted and skewed version of the world.
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ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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I'm going to make a very sweeping comment so apologies in advance...
I love the Nix and despite being in Kunming, China I religiously watch every game and have bought a paid subscription to do so. However...
1. I've never lived in Wellington and don't have much affinity with the city.
2. I used to live in Auckland and was a keen Kingz supporter when I did.
With this frame of reference I still love the Nix, for the simple reason that they are great for football in that part of the world, and I want to see football grow in NZ.
From my outside perspective Bluemagic's comments just seem very narrow minded, and I struggle to get my head around why he can't seem to see what I can.
P.S. If there is an assumption from this tragic Auckland knitting circle (who is Happy Ted anyway?), that Nix supporters are just parochial Wellingtonians, they are very wrong. There are Nix supporters dotted around Australia and in other parts of the world too. I've met some of them.
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I love the Nix and despite being in Kunming, China I religiously watch every game and have bought a paid subscription to do so. However...
1. I've never lived in Wellington and don't have much affinity with the city.
2. I used to live in Auckland and was a keen Kingz supporter when I did.
With this frame of reference I still love the Nix, for the simple reason that they are great for football in that part of the world, and I want to see football grow in NZ.
From my outside perspective Bluemagic's comments just seem very narrow minded, and I struggle to get my head around why he can't seem to see what I can.
P.S. If there is an assumption from this tragic Auckland knitting circle (who is Happy Ted anyway?), that Nix supporters are just parochial Wellingtonians, they are very wrong. There are Nix supporters dotted around Australia and in other parts of the world too. I've met some of them.
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JD clear your inbox
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Of course the Phoenix are helping NZ football. I also don't understand how you can't see that.Don't just measure this by how many Kiwis are playing in one game.
Maybe this is noticed more in Wellington ?
Is this just an example of someone who thinks some players (Coombes, Hayne etc) should be at the Phoenix instead of those who are?
Also calling Bluemagic a sactimonious c**t doesn't help and don't lump all from Auckland in his boat.
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Well, Bluemagic has certainly kicked up a storm. I have followed this with only mild interest as it smacks of the sort of parochial infighting that has hurt NZ football in the past. BM has changed his tack a few times however the original premise was about how(the nix) are helping NZ football. The inference being that "too many foreigners" are styming the growth of NZ players. This, I could not let go unchallanged.
In the past 2.5 years the follwing kiwis have played for the Nix:
Paston, Moss, Spoonley,Smeltz, Old, Lochy, Siggy, Plodder, Mully, Brown, Bertos, Costa, Rojas, Coveny and Draper.
Thats fifteen...and I might have missed someone as well. In addition I have attended many training sessions and practice games and there are always a few ring ins....local kiwi lads getting a chance to train or play with the pros. The Nix are always sending players out to schools etc to wave the football flag
In Wellington clubs and schools have reported the Phoenix factor. There has been a huge surge in the number of football players in our region....local commentators are putting this down to the interest in football that has been created by the Nix.
To say the Nix are not doing anything to help develop local talent is BOLLOCKS!!!!
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I can't believe that we are still taking the big stinky bait. The hook will stay in the water while the fish keep biting. Stop biting, the stinky bait goes away
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I can't believe that we are still taking the big stinky bait. The hook will stay in the water while the fish keep biting. Stop biting, the stinky bait goes away
^^ THIS
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Well, Bluemagic has certainly kicked up a storm. I have followed this with only mild interest as it smacks of the sort of parochial infighting that has hurt NZ football in the past. BM has changed his tack a few times however the original premise was about how(the nix) are helping NZ football. The inference being that "too many foreigners" are styming the growth of NZ players. This, I could not let go unchallanged.
In the past 2.5 years the follwing kiwis have played for the Nix:
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Paston, Moss, Spoonley,Smeltz, Old, Lochy, Siggy, Plodder, Mully, Brown, Bertos, Costa, Rojas, Coveny and Draper.
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�Thats fifteen...and I might have missed someone as well. In addition I have attended many training sessions and practice games and there are always� a few ring ins....local kiwi lads getting a chance to train or play with the pros. The Nix are always sending players out to schools etc to wave the football flag
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In Wellington clubs and schools have reported the Phoenix factor. There has been a huge surge in the number of football players in our region....local commentators are putting this down to the interest in football that has been created by the Nix.
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To say the Nix are not doing anything to help develop local talent is BOLLOCKS!!!!
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What happened on 14/11/2009 had very much the nix factor too.
and i would guess that the recent successes in the world club champs indirectly had the nix factor.
Others are right if you keep taking the bait then it will carry on.
So BM put it in your pipe and smoke we in welly have the nix and we in welly are going to keep it and are happy to share with others who are true believers. Leave your Auckland parocholism in Auckland.
Go the nix looking foward to tonight with another win.
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I'm sorry but that statement is not on, especially from someone involved as 'backroom staff' for YF and this forum.
Sort it out please YF people.
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Because ethey won't distribute it to them anyway.
If the NCAA found out about some of what goes down there could be HUGE implications.
Wayward, I do know all this stuff, I haven't argued with that stuff apart from suggesting that the Phoenix alone being the problem is simplistic and spurious. Read JD's stuff, and the posts where I have repeatedly mentioned these issues that you have ignored as you bulldoze your blue tinted and skewed version of the world.
If the NCAA found out about some of what goes down there could be HUGE implications.
Wayward, I do know all this stuff, I haven't argued with that stuff apart from suggesting that the Phoenix alone being the problem is simplistic and spurious. Read JD's stuff, and the posts where I have repeatedly mentioned these issues that you have ignored as you bulldoze your blue tinted and skewed version of the world.
I have never said the Phoenic alone are the problem, there are a whole lot of factors involved in this whole vicious cycle I'm trying to explain to you guys. Not least the friggin' apathy of most NZ so-called football supporters who only turn out for glamour games or if it's on tele. I know you're a great supporters of NZ footy DC but most are daytrippers. When the Nix have been propping up the table and a cold wind's blowing around the Cake Tin, you know that's when you find out who the real supporters are.
Sure I love City, sure I'd perfer to have an Auckland-based A League club in the mix as well, sure I'm a sucker for the local lads. I'm just trying to get you guys to ask yourself some hard questions. Most of you don't seem to care, just like most of you don't turn out for Team Wellington. Fair enough. I'm blinkered, okay - but so are most of you guys.
I'll be interested to see Brockie's performance tonight to see if he is quite the dud most of you suggest he is.
PS - Think Hoggy should get a trial too.
RicLaRoc blows a big kiss, oh and another. He gets in a right tizz when you guys take off your shirts and wave them - he's a worry that boy.
Wasn't it the great Cantona who said the seagulls follow the trawler because of the sardines.
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Don't go Bluemagic! This is a good debate about an important subject and you make some good points.
I still think your argument is framed too narrowly, however, and it rests too heavily on a few key assumptions:
1. The Oceania federation has a future, and
2. NZ remains a member of Oceania, and
3. The NZ domestic champion always qualifies for the CWC
If you look at the "big picture" (which you are constantly reminding us to do) when answering the question "how is this helping NZ football" surely you start with the question of whether NZ should be trying to move to Asia or not? I can't see how anyone who really cares about NZ's standing in international football in the the long-term can dispute that we should try and make the move into Asia. It would mean more games, at a better standard, across all age groups, plus more commercial opportunities.
Sure, it would be tough at first. And sure, the current situation probably suits us in the short-term. But the current situation should just be seen as a stepping stone. What we need long-term is more and better competition. We should be aiming to be a consistently top 50 ranked country that qualifies for at least every second World Cup on average. We are not going to achieve that in Oceania.
If NZ becomes part of AFC (or Oceania does) that clears up a lot of issues around our A-League and ACL participation. The main issue then becomes whether our continued participation in the A-League is justified.
The answer to that really depends on whether you think NZ can sustain a professional football league of its own. I don't think we can - even rugby is struggling to do it. Even your own plan relies on the risky assumption that the CWC cash keeps flowing.
So keep NZ domestic football amateur and leverage pro football in NZ off the A-League. Look to set up new A-League franchises in Auckland (come on down Central/ACFC as a possible contender) and maybe Christchurch. I think that's a blueprint for a much more realistic and sustainable professional pathway for NZ footballers.
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In the past 2.5 years the follwing kiwis have played for the Nix:
Paston, Moss, Spoonley,Smeltz, Old, Lochy, Siggy, Plodder, Mully, Brown, Bertos, Costa, Rojas, Coveny and Draper.
Thats fifteen...and I might have missed someone as well. In addition I have attended many training sessions and practice games and there are always a few ring ins....local kiwi lads getting a chance to train or play with the pros. The Nix are always sending players out to schools etc to wave the football flag
In Wellington clubs and schools have reported the Phoenix factor. There has been a huge surge in the number of football players in our region....local commentators are putting this down to the interest in football that has been created by the Nix.
To say the Nix are not doing anything to help develop local talent is BOLLOCKS!!!!
I have never said this! You guys keep says I have but I haven't. I fully recognize local players have trained with the Nix - but only Siggy and Costa (sometimes) have made it. Mully, Rojas, Draper, Old have had little or no game time. I love what you guys did for Siggy, I just wish more could follow suit.
By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
It's a fair question I'm asking. If you all think there's no issue here, which is how it seems, then end of the matter. I Just know some local gems who, rightly or wrongly, don't think they're getting a fair shake of the stick.
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Because ethey won't distribute it to them anyway.If the NCAA found out about some of what goes down there could be HUGE implications.Wayward, I do know all this stuff, I haven't argued with that stuff apart from suggesting that the Phoenix alone being the problem is simplistic and spurious.� Read JD's stuff, and the posts where I have repeatedly mentioned these issues that you have ignored as you bulldoze your blue tinted and skewed version of the world.
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I have never said the Phoenic alone are the problem, there are a whole lot of factors involved in this whole vicious cycle I'm trying to explain to you guys. Not least the friggin' apathy of most NZ so-called football supporters who only turn out for glamour games or if it's on tele. I know you're a great supporters of NZ footy DC but most are daytrippers. When the Nix have been propping up the table and a cold wind's blowing around the Cake Tin, you know�that's when you find out who the real supporters are.
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Sure I love City, sure I'd perfer to have an Auckland-based A League club in the mix as well, sure� I'm a sucker for the local lads. I'm just trying to get you guys to ask yourself some hard questions. Most of you don't seem to care, just like most of you don't turn out for Team Wellington. Fair enough. I'm blinkered, okay - but so are most of you guys.
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I'll be interested to see Brockie's performance tonight to see if he is quite the dud most of you suggest he is.
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RicLaRoc blows a big kiss, oh and another. He gets in a right tizz when you guys take off your shirts and wave them - he's a worry that boy.
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Wasn't it the great Cantona who said the�seagulls follow the trawler because of the sardines.
Wrong again. While I appreciate you know a fair bit about the NZFC you don't really seem to show much knowledge at all about the Phoenix or the A-League in general. The Nix's largest season average was in the first season pal, when they were propping up the table. You seem to chastise Phoenix supporters for not all turning up at Tee Dubs, since when was ACFC pulling in thousands. The interest is just not there. Not televised, no news coverage there is nothing to draw the casual fan in. As much as hardcore football fans can dream about thousands at an NZFC game, the reality is a lot different.
As for Brockie, if he is your shining light example about NZ players the Phoenix haven't developed then surely you must be having a laugh because honestly, it just shows you know nothing about the A-league. He didn't even score last weekend it was a deflection that turned his off target shot in. He has improved over the past few years no doubt, but I think there's a lot improvement needed still.
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But what dfo you mean by a fair shake of the stick?
You say you're not denying that NZ players are getting every opportunity to break into the phoenix setup,and training/trialling with them,so i don't understand how you can then turn around and say theyre not getting a fair shake of the stick? Its contradictory.
Allegedly
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I can't believe that we are still taking the big stinky bait. The hook will stay in the water while the fish keep biting. Stop biting, the stinky bait goes away
And again.....Grumpy old bastard alert
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Don't go Bluemagic! This is a good debate about an important subject and you make some good points.
I still think your argument is framed too narrowly, however, and it rests too heavily on a few key assumptions:
1. The Oceania federation has a future, and
2. NZ remains a member of Oceania, and
3. The NZ domestic champion always qualifies for the CWC
If you look at the "big picture" (which you are constantly reminding us to do) when answering the question "how is this helping NZ football" surely you start with the question of whether NZ should be trying to move to Asia or not? I can't see how anyone who really cares about NZ's standing in international football in the the long-term can dispute that we should try and make the move into Asia. It would mean more games, at a better standard, across all age groups, plus more commercial opportunities.
Sure, it would be tough at first. And sure, the current situation probably suits us in the short-term. But the current situation should just be seen as a stepping stone. What we need long-term is more and better competition. We should be aiming to be a consistently top 50 ranked country that qualifies for at least every second World Cup on average. We are not going to achieve that in Oceania.
If NZ becomes part of AFC (or Oceania does) that clears up a lot of issues around our A-League and ACL participation. The main issue then becomes whether our continued participation in the A-League is justified.
The answer to that really depends on whether you think NZ can sustain a professional football league of its own. I don't think we can - even rugby is struggling to do it. Even your own plan relies on the risky assumption that the CWC cash keeps flowing.
So keep NZ domestic football amateur and leverage pro football in NZ off the A-League. Look to set up new A-League franchises in Auckland (come on down Central/ACFC as a possible contender) and maybe Christchurch. I think that's a blueprint for a much more realistic and sustainable professional pathway for NZ footballers.
Thank you Terminator_x, this is refreshing and thoughtful. You've restored my faith in you lovely lads in yellow. And Smithy, there's a beer waiting for you at the bar in Kiwitea St.
Picked up the Herald this morning looking forward to a big report on tonight's game and NOT ONE WORD. Wanted to know if Siggy's playing, is Costa even on the bench and how's Greenacre going to fit in now that Dadi's here. A nice backgrounder on Fowler would have been good too.
See Herbert only came 13 in the list of NZ sports powerbrokers (I'd put him 3rd) and El Tel only got a bare mention.
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
Mentioning Old = credibility lost
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again,the herald never covers football. In no way should you judge footballings media coverage in NZ on that paper. Allegedly
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Seriously Jeff Vader, stop waving around that plastic lightsabre and go do your homework.
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I have never said this! You guys keep says I have but I haven't. I fully recognize local players have trained with the Nix - but only Siggy and Costa (sometimes) have made it. Mully, Rojas, Draper, Old have had little or no game time. I love what you guys did for Siggy, I just wish more could follow suit.
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
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It's a fair question I'm asking. If you all think there's no issue here, which is how it seems, then end of the matter. I Just know some local gems who, rightly or wrongly, don't think they're getting a fair shake of the stick.
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Have you watched any of them play? FFS, it is not the Phoenix's fault if the local talent at their disposal is not of A-League quality. That is NZF's problem but you seem to overlook this. Mully? Absolute sh*t that leaked in goals on the right side. Rojas is 16, his time will come and he still gets the odd minute on the park. Draper wasn't quite at the standard, he didn't really ever do anything when he was on. Old's situation seems a bit strange. Ask anyone on here he was perhaps the worst defender in nix history (Mully aside) and the penalty he conceded against Sydney is forever stuck in my mind. Congrats to him for succeeding in the SPL but either way he was not working out for the Phoenix.
So out of all that I'd say Draper was the most unlucky. All the others bar Rojas had a solid chance to play and not a single one delivered. chocnut2010-01-15 11:51:16
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
Mentioning Old = credibility lost
The Scottish premiership is a higher standard than the A league matey and much more competitive.
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Did you even see him play/train...?
Allegedly
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