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Hard News wrote:
Marco has offers from a number of clubs including the Phoenix in front of him.  Providing the club and the less balanced memebers of our fanbase don't cock it up all the options are still open to him.
 
It's what I was saying all day yesterday but it kind of got buried.
 
How are you so sure about this when even our own club is reporting that he's gone?
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Hard News wrote:
One weekend in Melbourne and you're a Victory fan.� You're dead to me Boxy.
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You back yet or doing this from Victory HQ where you are negotiating your own transfer?


It's because I'm getting a commission from the deal.

Got back yesterday, just in time for all the angst.
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El Grap I am coming round your place tonight and confiscating all your Nix tops until you throw your toys over this like all true fans are

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Hard News wrote:
...that could happen in training at Mebourne with Muscat.


...or with Vinnie Lia here.
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Bugger - I'm not a true fan.

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KiwiChick1 wrote:
How are you so sure about this when even our own club is reporting that he's gone?
 
Because Melbourne Victory have stated he isn't signed and Marco's camp has stated he hasn't signed.

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Hard News wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Bugger - I'm not a true fan.

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Not shocked.


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Raise ur hand if u think HN is massively [and rather worrisome and meekly] in Marco signing denial when all "evidence" [i.e., the Nix CEO, his dad, Kevin Fallon] suggests the contrary, and that HN shud join us in going apesh*t.

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Hard News wrote:
KiwiChick1 wrote:
How are you so sure about this when even our own club is reporting that he's gone?
 
Because Melbourne Victory have stated he isn't signed and Marco's camp has stated he hasn't signed.
 
Link? Or just inside info?
And that could just mean he hasn't physically signed since his contract doesn't expire till the end of this month although his mind's already made up.
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Hard News wrote:
KiwiChick1 wrote:
How are you so sure about this when even our own club is reporting that he's gone?
 
Because Melbourne Victory have stated he isn't signed and Marco's camp has stated he hasn't signed.
Then the logical question is, what the f**k is our CEO doing?

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el grapadura wrote:
As a two-time A-league champion from a big city Victory are certainly perceived as a bigger club from this league with a proven track record.

As for the Phoenix...not exactly a great track record in getting young (or really any) players into Europe. And what if Marco's thinking was influenced by Ifill's second season here? Being targeted as the chief attacking threat, kicked mercilessly, and ends up with a broken leg and never returns as the same player?
 
IMO that's pretty bad reasoning. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Didn't Lochead get a trial with a premiership team? Which incidentally the Phoenix were good enough to let him participate in during the season (or was it pre-season?). Anyway, it shows european teams do do the scouting.
 
And about being deliberately injured, are you serious? Iffil wasn't kicked mercilessly this season. His injury occured with a bad landing from a miskick. If teams were going to maliciously target Rojas they already had plenty of opportunity this season.
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Do the Victory make a big announcement about all their youth team signings?
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Stevo wrote:

Raise ur hand if u think HN is massively [and rather worrisome and meekly] in Marco signing denial when all "evidence" [i.e., the Nix CEO, his dad, Kevin Fallon] suggests the contrary, and that HN shud join us in going apesh*t.



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If it is true, hope Manny deals to him when we're up against them...


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QUOTE=rjmiller]
el grapadura wrote:
As a two-time A-league champion from a big city Victory are certainly perceived as a bigger club from this league with a proven track record.

As for the Phoenix...not exactly a great track record in getting young (or really any) players into Europe. And what if Marco's thinking was influenced by Ifill's second season here? Being targeted as the chief attacking threat, kicked mercilessly, and ends up with a broken leg and never returns as the same player? [/QUOTE]
 
IMO that's pretty bad reasoning. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Didn't Lochead get a trial with a premiership team? Which incidentally the Phoenix were good enough to let him participate in during the season (or was it pre-season?). Anyway, it shows european teams do do the scouting.
 
And about being deliberately injured, are you serious? Iffil wasn't kicked mercilessly this season. His injury occured with a bad landing from a miskick. If teams were going to maliciously target Rojas they already had plenty of opportunity this season.


IIRC, Lochhead was recommended by Ricki for trial to their gaffa..were they on the FIFA coaching course together? RedGed2011-02-28 14:13:34

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If Kevin Fallon has his hand up then I'm glad mine is down.
 
Dougie Rydal wrote:
If it is true, hope Manny deals to him when we're up against them...
 
Vinnie more likely.  He's kicked Marco since the day he arrived and now he's got a reason.
 
 

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Coded message from the Nix Midfield?? ...You be the judge!



el grapadura wrote:
Hard News wrote:
...that could happen in training at Mebourne with Muscat.


...or with Vinnie Lia here.
RedGed2011-02-28 14:20:33

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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RedGed wrote:

IIRC, Lochhead was recommended by Ricki for trial to their gaffa..were they on the FIFA coaching course together?
 
I never heard about that. It was Middlesborough so it wasn't Roy Keane if that was who you were thinking. I seem to recall Ricki not overly happy about it due to timing so it doesn't really sound right but I guess it could be.
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I could be clutching at straws here (or just blatanly in denial) but there's no news of Marco's signing on either the WP or MV official websites, which strikes me as odd seeing as all kinds of media are reporting it to be a done deal. Or is nothing allowed to be confirmed till March 31st when his contract expires?
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It's because nothing is signed.  You can't announce a signing when there is no contract.
 
Plenty of players have been signed before season end or with at least a letter of intent to sign when the existing contract is finished.  Even yesterdays article that fired all this off mentioned Adelaide as well as us and the Victory.

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rjmiller wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
As a two-time A-league champion from a big city Victory are certainly perceived as a bigger club from this league with a proven track record. As for the Phoenix...not exactly a great track record in getting young (or really any) players into Europe. And what if Marco's thinking was influenced by Ifill's second season here? Being targeted as the chief attacking threat, kicked mercilessly, and ends up with a broken leg and never returns as the same player?

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IMO that's pretty bad reasoning. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Didn't Lochead get a trial with a premiership team? Which incidentally the Phoenix were good enough to let him participate in during the season (or was it pre-season?). Anyway, it shows european teams do do the scouting.

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And about being deliberately injured, are you serious? Iffil wasn't kicked mercilessly this season. His injury occured with a bad landing from a miskick. If teams were going to maliciously target�Rojas they already had plenty of opportunity this season.


Of course European teams do the scouting. But they also rank the clubs they scout from - you're a more chance to be picked up from a bigger club in a smaller league than a middling one. And maybe Marco anticipates Victory having a couple of better seasons than the Phoenix in the next two years?

I didn't say anything about deliberate injuries? Just pointing out 1) that teams could well be paying much closer attention to him next season, especially since they'll have the off-season to study his strenghts and weaknesses (i.e. Ifill season 2), and 2) there's a history in this league of smaller skillful players being targeted in an overly physical manner, and Marco has been susceptible to injuries in his young career.

Of course, all this is speculation on my part - but so is everything else. No-one has an idea of how this is all going to work out - including the people who're crying out that this is the stupidest idea ever. If Marco thinks this is the way forward for him, that's his choice.
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Hard News wrote:
It's because nothing is signed.  You can't announce a signing when there is no contract.
 
Plenty of players have been signed before season end or with at least a letter of intent to sign when the existing contract is finished.  Even yesterdays article that fired all this off mentioned Adelaide as well as us and the Victory.
GIVE IT A REST

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rjmiller wrote:
RedGed wrote:
IIRC, Lochhead was recommended by Ricki for trial to their gaffa..were they on the FIFA coaching course together?

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I�never heard about�that. It was Middlesborough so it wasn't Roy Keane if that was who you were thinking. I seem to recall Ricki not�overly happy about it due to timing so it doesn't really sound right but I guess it could be.


Btw, RG is right - Ricky recommended Lochy to Gareth Southgate in the pre-season of our season two, and there was much angst on this forum about it.
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No. The question was asked why the club websites don't have it, that is the reason why.
 

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el grapadura wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
As a two-time A-league champion from a big city Victory are certainly perceived as a bigger club from this league with a proven track record. As for the Phoenix...not exactly a great track record in getting young (or really any) players into Europe. And what if Marco's thinking was influenced by Ifill's second season here? Being targeted as the chief attacking threat, kicked mercilessly, and ends up with a broken leg and never returns as the same player?

 

IMO that's pretty bad reasoning. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Didn't Lochead get a trial with a premiership team? Which incidentally the Phoenix were good enough to let him participate in during the season (or was it pre-season?). Anyway, it shows european teams do do the scouting.

 

And about being deliberately injured, are you serious? Iffil wasn't kicked mercilessly this season. His injury occured with a bad landing from a miskick. If teams were going to maliciously target Rojas they already had plenty of opportunity this season.


Of course European teams do the scouting. But they also rank the clubs they scout from - you're a more chance to be picked up from a bigger club in a smaller league than a middling one. And maybe Marco anticipates Victory having a couple of better seasons than the Phoenix in the next two years?

I didn't say anything about deliberate injuries? Just pointing out 1) that teams could well be paying much closer attention to him next season, especially since they'll have the off-season to study his strenghts and weaknesses (i.e. Ifill season 2), and 2) there's a history in this league of smaller skillful players being targeted in an overly physical manner, and Marco has been susceptible to injuries in his young career.

Of course, all this is speculation on my part - but so is everything else. No-one has an idea of how this is all going to work out - including the people who're crying out that this is the stupidest idea ever. If Marco thinks this is the way forward for him, that's his choice.
 
 
But with the information we have,there is very little more that MV offer that we don't. The reasoning for moving doesn't outweigh the loyalty we think he should show - 99% of people have said theyd be ok if he moved overseas for example,but don't see sufficient benefit in moving to another A league club. Therefore it it quite ok to be annoyed that our top youngster is leaving.
 
There may be other reasons,but we don't know them. Just as much as you don't know that there aren't reasons that we don't already know.

Allegedly

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Hard News wrote:
It's because nothing is signed.  You can't announce a signing when there is no contract.
 
Plenty of players have been signed before season end or with at least a letter of intent to sign when the existing contract is finished.  Even yesterdays article that fired all this off mentioned Adelaide as well as us and the Victory.
 
Then why are we getting quotes from our clubs CEO telling us he's gone?
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Hard News wrote:
No. The question was asked why the club websites don't have it, that is the reason why.
 
oh ok
 

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el grapadura wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
RedGed wrote:
IIRC, Lochhead was recommended by Ricki for trial to their gaffa..were they on the FIFA coaching course together?

 

I never heard about that. It was Middlesborough so it wasn't Roy Keane if that was who you were thinking. I seem to recall Ricki not overly happy about it due to timing so it doesn't really sound right but I guess it could be.


Btw, RG is right - Ricky recommended Lochy to Gareth Southgate in the pre-season of our season two, and there was much angst on this forum about it.
Pretty sure we all had a giggle about it

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Stevo wrote:

Raise ur hand if u think HN is massively [and rather worrisome and meekly] in Marco signing denial when all "evidence" [i.e., the Nix CEO, his dad, Kevin Fallon] suggests the contrary, and that HN shud join us in going apesh*t.

 
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Feverish wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
rjmiller wrote:
RedGed wrote:
IIRC, Lochhead was recommended by Ricki for trial to their gaffa..were they on the FIFA coaching course together?

 

I never heard about that. It was Middlesborough so it wasn't Roy Keane if that was who you were thinking. I seem to recall Ricki not overly happy about it due to timing so it doesn't really sound right but I guess it could be.


Btw, RG is right - Ricky recommended Lochy to Gareth Southgate in the pre-season of our season two, and there was much angst on this forum about it.
Pretty sure we all had a giggle about it
 
Yeah i remember a very small minority getting annoyed. The rest either laughed at the prospect or got excited that he may end up getting signed by them.

Allegedly

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I'm hoping against hope that News ends up with bragging rights.
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After a couple of hours of listening to Go West, I stopped caring.  If the kid leaves, no biggie.  If he stays, that's nice.

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Tegal wrote:
But with the information we have,there is very little more that MV offer that we don't. The reasoning for moving doesn't outweigh the loyalty we think he should show - 99% of people have said theyd be ok if he moved overseas for example,but don't see sufficient benefit in moving to another A league club. Therefore it it quite ok to be annoyed that our top youngster is leaving.

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There may be other�reasons,but we don't know them. Just as much as you don't know that there aren't reasons that we don't already know.


I don't really get the loyalty thing. Can someone explain what they mean by this?

The point I'm making is no-one has enough information about this, and no-one knows whether this will work out for him or not. He's made the call and it's up to him to make it work for him.

What irks me is 1) people categorically stating that this is the wrong move for him which they cannot possibly know, and 2) people who insist that the Victory does not offer anything more than the Phoenix. Do we truly, honestly, believe that both clubs have the same pull in terms of the ability to attract players?
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Stripes wrote:

After a couple of hours of listening to Go West, I stopped caring.  If the kid leaves, no biggie.  If he stays, that's nice.

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This was pretty far out for 1985.
Stevo2011-02-28 14:54:30
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Boxy, to young New Zealand players who have broken in to the first team here vs having to start again in Melbourne? 
 
Yes.  I think we should.
 
rjmiller wrote:
I'm hoping against hope that News ends up with bragging rights.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong.  I'm about 90% certain he'll go.  I'm just saying it isn't done yet.
Hard News2011-02-28 14:55:22

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el grapadura wrote:
I don't really get the loyalty thing. Can someone explain what they mean by this?
 
 
Does it make sense now?
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Yeah, and we know what happened to him, don't we.....

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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Jag wrote:
Yeah, and we know what happened to him, don't we.....
 
NO WE DON'T.
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el grapadura wrote:
I don't really get the loyalty thing. Can someone explain what they mean by this?
 
 
But I have a memory akin to an untrained monkey.  If he scores a double vs China - he'll be back in the good books, somewhat.
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