Dávila could and should have taken him out on his way through. Fudgeed me off that he got a yellow card a few minutes later for kicking the ball away when he could have copped the same one for a professional foul.
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What happened to the simple offside rule? Play used to be stopped the moment someone - anyone touched the ball. Now we let at least 4 or 5 other players touching the ball - including a defender, who tried to clear Davilla's effort and put everyone onside. But wait, let's go back 30 seconds to see if we can find something. Oh yes, a "possible" 5 MM's off side. At normal speed, under the old offside gauge, no one would have worried.
Strebre Delovski needs to resign because his interpretation of these new (I assume it's new) and has been passed onto the inept match officials under his guidance, continually seems to fudge over far too many teams in games. You might as well cancel Dukes awesome strike out for the very minor contact push he did a split second before scoring his goal. In the name of consistency that is.
Is this game all about referees now and them wanting their moment of attention or about 22 guys trying to win a game? One would think it was the former, not the latter.
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Having been at work all night, I thought I may have had the chance to cool off, but nope. Alas, off home for an uncomfortable/angst filled sleep. Bahh 😖
General thoughts from the game, I thought we played well, although silly mistakes and turnovers are killing us and our set piece defending really needs work, hopefully getting Taylor back soon will give us more direction in the backline. Passing in the final third amongst Davila, Piscopo, Ball, Waine and even Hemed (bar the giveaway leading to WSW 4th goal) looks sharp and our counter attacking play and attacking interplay in general is far improved on earlier in the season. I feel it's only the small things that are holding us back from moving up the table. But at this level our mistakes are being punished big time and it's currently why we are where we are in the league.
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Rufer has done three things tonight, ball watched too much, passed back too much and tried 80 meter miracle long balls too much. Yes he is out of position but game watching is just wrong. He should have been dragged at halftime.
I think he was at fault for two of the goals, one being out jumped and one being out of position.
Yip guilty for the headed corner (for the third time this season) and ball watching the winner. After this game I'd take a midfield of scrappy doo and Lewis and leave Rufer on the pine. Can't blame ball watching on playing out of position.
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Well that was an entertaining, if not very frustrating, game of football. Had we defended better we would have won that. I think the loss of Fenton in the warm-up really stuffed us big time. Rufer is not a RB in anyone's language. I put their first two goals down to him being out of position. The third should have been chalkled off as Duke pushed Payne in the back, despite Bozza claiming that the contact was light, it doesn't matter! There was a clear attempt to use his forearm/elbow to make space between the attacker and defender, did Payne make it look worse? Sure, still doesnt remove the fact that Duke pushed Payne (No Goal). Same argument with Hemed's last goal. Was he offside, yep according tot he current law his shoulder was a few mm ahead of the defender. Should the rule be changed? absolutely, Bozza talking a few weeks back about the law should make a clarification that only parts of the body you can score from can be considered. So arms/shoulders should be ignored. Very annoying and frustrating but some positives, we looked great on attack, Hemed was confident enough to take the pen, and took it well. The interplay between all the squad is great. Lewis has made the CM role his own, and looked good with Devlin. Payne has made CB his own too, when Taylor gets out of MIQ McGing will be benched. Reno was dangerous out wide and Davilla controlled play well. I fell really bad for Fenton, he looked really bummed with yet another injury setback. Anyway, not the greatest start to the 4 games in 2 weeks run, but with attacking play like that we should come away with points against the next three, Roar, Victory and the Bulls.
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Re the the offside, let’s not forget it was a very tight VAR offside call in the previous Glory game early that ruled out Keogh scoring when still 0-0.
And like others struggled to sleep after that finish last night.
Re the the offside, let’s not forget it was a very tight VAR offside call in the previous Glory game early that ruled out Keogh scoring when still 0-0.
Enough of your sensible chat, we're grieving here ;)
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But the offside law does say that only parts of the body that can be scored from are to be considered, and that includes the shoulder, because players can score with the shoulder. The law explicitly says that arms are to be disregarded.
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Took a damn long time to get to sleep after that adrenaline rush, feeling it today!
Thought we played really nicely going forward, in the first half especially. McGing was solid, Payne not his best, but made to look worse by a obvious push in the back (no matter what Bozza reckons). He wins that header every time if Duke doesn't shove him, and the refs missing that is the expected standard for the league unfortunately.
Neither of our first 2 goals happen if Fenton starts (he never plays the ball to Davila that Rufer does and Devlin isn't on the pitch to score that worldie), so hard to say we'd have done better without him. Rufer defensively was definitely not a RB, but I thought he did reasonably well all things considering. Hard to blame him for the first goal when he was marked up on a striker. I understand why he moved there instead of breaking up a CB partnership that had been miserly until last night to push Payne wide as well, just wish we had someone like Callan Elliot ready to cover Fenton!
Having to pick 2 of Rufer, Devlin and Lewis in CM must be a great headache for Uffie to have, and he can mix and match depending on the makeup of the opposition.
Was nice to see more from Hemed, better linkup play. Still off the pace, but catching up. Nicely taken penalty and great snap shot for the "goal", pretty damn unlucky for it to be ruled out like that. I maintain the current offside rule cannot coexist with VAR, because offsides are black and white, on or off yet that was never meeting the definition of a "clear and obvious" error. Still wouldn't give him a start over Waine who I thought had his best game to date for us, did a great job of holding the ball up and letting us get forward after playing vertical passes to him.
Davila and Piscopo are combining well and if we keep that standard of play we can push anyone in the league this year, love watching this side under Uffie and feels like we're just starting to get going.
I was so overcome by grief following that (correct) offside decision it took about 2 hours to go to sleep. What a rollercoaster.
I mean it's right based on that image. But there are a lot of factors to consider here. It's not taken when the ball has been played. A frame later and there is a good chance Hemed is onside because the defender is backtracking. The camera angle and distance doesn't give you much confident of the accuracy of the lines being draw. Especially when you look how pixelated it is when it's zoomed in. And that matters when there isn't much difference between the defender and attacker. If the AL is going to use VAR, they really need more camera angles because it's ridiculous to rely on the one they used. I'm not saying we were robbed on that decision, I just genuinely don't know because of the half baked approach to it from the league. So while people say that offside is black or white, it's really not. I'm more annoyed at the Duke goal because Payne was clearly fouled.
The offside law states when the ball is played/touched, not has been played/touched. It further clarifies that the first point of contact/touch is to be considered. They absolutely used the correct frame there. Attacking players are allowed to outmanuevre/outrun defenders to be closer to the goal line than the second last defender once the ball has been played. If they weren't, football would be a very different game.
The offside law states when the ball is played/touched, not has been played/touched. It further clarifies that the first point of contact/touch is to be considered. They absolutely used the correct frame there. Attacking players are allowed to outmanuevre/outrun defenders to be closer to the goal line than the second last defender once the ball has been played. If they weren't, football would be a very different game.
VAR, given the frame rate, its unlikely to get the correct point of contact - to then rule out chances by small differences, it cannot be that confident in its accuracy.
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The offside law states when the ball is played/touched, not has been played/touched. It further clarifies that the first point of contact/touch is to be considered. They absolutely used the correct frame there. Attacking players are allowed to outmanuevre/outrun defenders to be closer to the goal line than the second last defender once the ball has been played. If they weren't, football would be a very different game.
VAR, given the frame rate, its unlikely to get the correct point of contact - to then rule out chances by small differences, it cannot be that confident in its accuracy.
and this is where the problem lies with how VAR is being implemented. It's only supposed to intervene when there has been a "clear and obvious error". This is obviously open to interpretation, but noone can tell me that Hemed's arm being a few millimeters infront of the defender is a clear and obvious error. Yes, its technically correct, but not is the spirit in how VAR was intended to work. My take is that it should be making quick decisions based on what they see on the replays, not using some measuring software to work out if a player is off by a fraction.
The offside law states when the ball is played/touched, not has been played/touched. It further clarifies that the first point of contact/touch is to be considered. They absolutely used the correct frame there. Attacking players are allowed to outmanuevre/outrun defenders to be closer to the goal line than the second last defender once the ball has been played. If they weren't, football would be a very different game.
My response to that is that the ref should have blown his whistle before the carry on and goal scored. Or the Lino raising his flag.
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Firstly, the clear and obvious standard only applies to cards and penalties, not offside when it comes to VAR. I agree that it's dumb to subject laws written in a different era with mainly a general principle in mind to this degree of forensic analysis. But clubs, fans, media, wanted VAR so that they could get 'correct' decisions. So, this is a correct decision based on VAR technology. If you were a proponent of VAR, you have to suck it up.
Even if they change the rule to what ever body part, the line will drawn on that other part in the future and we will discuss the same thing, as we did in the past when we did not had the tech. I don't think it 'supposed to intervene on an obvious error' in the offside case, they always let it play and intervene after a goal. Maybe the lines man already noticed the offside to the ref but they let it play on, which is correct and fair. I think everything is done right in that case, you just don;t like it because it went against us. We lost because Western Sydney where a good side and we did some errors leading to the goals.
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That's correct number8, officials are meant to let tight calls play out and have VAR do a quick background check for any offside. Flagging first means you're stopping the game and potentially preventing a good goal from being scored, which is clearly a worse outcome than having an offside passage of play conclude as you can always chalk off an offside goal through VAR intervention.
It was a goal. I was thinking push when I saw all the arms go up from out boys. But unfortunately, that just looked a little weak from Payne.
Begrudgingly, it was an excellent finish too.
Hard for Payne to not be weak when pushed in mid air and no way of countering Duke.
For me in that situation you've got to muscle up and contest the ball and the player with every bit of strength you've got. The contact was minimal, Payne gambled on the exaggerated 'look ref, I've been pushed' hop to the side and lost out.
It's the sort of split second milking of a foul that players often get away with but right in front of your goal on the edge of the penalty area that's a very, very risky thing for a defender to do.
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It was a goal. I was thinking push when I saw all the arms go up from out boys. But unfortunately, that just looked a little weak from Payne.
Begrudgingly, it was an excellent finish too.
Hard for Payne to not be weak when pushed in mid air and no way of countering Duke.
For me in that situation you've got to muscle up and contest the ball and the player with every bit of strength you've got. The contact was minimal, Payne gambled on the exaggerated 'look ref, I've been pushed' hop to the side and lost out.
It's the sort of split second milking of a foul that players often get away with but right in front of your goal on the edge of the penalty area that's a very, very risky thing for a defender to do.
I see the complete opposite there. He gets a push in the back as he's jumping and is off balance - even a small push makes a big difference there, and you can't fake the momentum change that occurred - he jumped upwards, but moved forwards. Duke's arm clearly extends into Payne's back.
I don't think there's any milking there at all, just basic physics.
I don't necessarily expect the ref to call it, and I definitely don't expect VAR to overturn it but I don't think the accusations of milking are on the mark.
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It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
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It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
Big congrats to all the Wollongong, Mexican and Israels Fans who support the team yesterday in their own unique way. This is so great to see, this what football is about.
It was a goal. I was thinking push when I saw all the arms go up from out boys. But unfortunately, that just looked a little weak from Payne.
Begrudgingly, it was an excellent finish too.
Hard for Payne to not be weak when pushed in mid air and no way of countering Duke.
For me in that situation you've got to muscle up and contest the ball and the player with every bit of strength you've got. The contact was minimal, Payne gambled on the exaggerated 'look ref, I've been pushed' hop to the side and lost out.
It's the sort of split second milking of a foul that players often get away with but right in front of your goal on the edge of the penalty area that's a very, very risky thing for a defender to do.
You jump, and while you are in the air I'll push you, and see how far trying to be strong, or muscling up gets you with nothing anchoring you to the ground
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It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
Big congrats to all the Wollongong, Mexican and Israels Fans who support the team yesterday in their own unique way. This is so great to see, this what football is about.
"Lucha libre" - Mexican wrestling culture. Fantastic effort to make a mask with the Phoenix emblem. The saxophonist was there again as well I saw. Handy that both Davila and Hemed scored last night.
If I'm honest, Hemed rushing off to celebrate his pen with those Israeli fans first, rather than his team mates irked me initially. Especially given Davila who has a great record with pens for the Nix, unselfishly didn't seem to agrue the point. But then read that Hemed had personally invited that group of Israelis/Jewish folk, so fair enough, to jump over and give them a few Star of David flag selfies.
Anyway cool Nix has some fans away from home. Imagine if they had a guy from China on the books, with apparently 250,000 people of a Chinese background spread over NSW.
But the one game we don't get to see the Devlin whanau (unless I missed it), he bangs in a screamer.
It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
Big congrats to all the Wollongong, Mexican and Israels Fans who support the team yesterday in their own unique way. This is so great to see, this what football is about.
"Lucha libre" - Mexican wrestling culture. Fantastic effort to make a mask with the Phoenix emblem. The saxophonist was there again as well I saw. Handy that both Davila and Hemed scored last night.
If I'm honest, Hemed rushing off to celebrate his pen with those Israeli fans first, rather than his team mates irked me initially. Especially given Davila who has a great record with pens for the Nix, unselfishly didn't seem to agrue the point. But then read that Hemed had personally that group of Israelis/Jewish folk, so fair enough, to jump over and give them a few Star of David flag selfies.
Anyway cool Nix has some fans away from home. Imagine if they had a guy from China on the books, with apparently 250,000 people of a Chinese background spread over NSW.
But the one game we don't get to see the Devlin whanau (unless I missed it), he bangs in a screamer.
Petition to make Rey Fenix the official luchador of the nix.
It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
Big congrats to all the Wollongong, Mexican and Israels Fans who support the team yesterday in their own unique way. This is so great to see, this what football is about.
"Lucha libre" - Mexican wrestling culture. Fantastic effort to make a mask with the Phoenix emblem. The saxophonist was there again as well I saw. Handy that both Davila and Hemed scored last night.
If I'm honest, Hemed rushing off to celebrate his pen with those Israeli fans first, rather than his team mates irked me initially. Especially given Davila who has a great record with pens for the Nix, unselfishly didn't seem to agrue the point. But then read that Hemed had personally that group of Israelis/Jewish folk, so fair enough, to jump over and give them a few Star of David flag selfies.
Anyway cool Nix has some fans away from home. Imagine if they had a guy from China on the books, with apparently 250,000 people of a Chinese background spread over NSW.
But the one game we don't get to see the Devlin whanau (unless I missed it), he bangs in a screamer.
Petition to make Rey Fenix the official luchador of the nix.
Just a question, if Hemed has the Israeli support crew, and Davila the Mexican support crew, does that mean Taylor will have a throng of female supporters? Must be a few of them in NSW.
Re the the offside, let’s not forget it was a very tight VAR offside call in the previous Glory game early that ruled out Keogh scoring when still 0-0.
And like others struggled to sleep after that finish last night.
True but it was not that tight, he was clearly in front unlike Hemed who played very well I thought and should start now.
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Re the the offside, let’s not forget it was a very tight VAR offside call in the previous Glory game early that ruled out Keogh scoring when still 0-0.
And like others struggled to sleep after that finish last night.
True but it was not that tight, he was clearly in front unlike Hemed who played very well I thought and should start now.
Harsh on Waine! I don't think Hemed has earned his spot yet on both their play.
It was just the best to be with the Mexnix/Phoemex crowd - i didnt realise until this morning that his mask was a phoenix mask -how good is that - I hope you heard us -gutted to lose but we sang and cheered and it was like someone had written a sports movie script , and the good guys lost right at the end.. luchador.JPG101.66 KB
Big congrats to all the Wollongong, Mexican and Israels Fans who support the team yesterday in their own unique way. This is so great to see, this what football is about.
"Lucha libre" - Mexican wrestling culture. Fantastic effort to make a mask with the Phoenix emblem. The saxophonist was there again as well I saw. Handy that both Davila and Hemed scored last night.
If I'm honest, Hemed rushing off to celebrate his pen with those Israeli fans first, rather than his team mates irked me initially. Especially given Davila who has a great record with pens for the Nix, unselfishly didn't seem to agrue the point. But then read that Hemed had personally that group of Israelis/Jewish folk, so fair enough, to jump over and give them a few Star of David flag selfies.
Anyway cool Nix has some fans away from home. Imagine if they had a guy from China on the books, with apparently 250,000 people of a Chinese background spread over NSW.
But the one game we don't get to see the Devlin whanau (unless I missed it), he bangs in a screamer.
Petition to make Rey Fenix the official luchador of the nix.
Anychance the Yellowfever do a run of these masks? i'd take a couple...
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological.
The interplay between Davilla and Piscopo at times was brilliant and will cut teams apart moving forward. Hemed had his best game by far, some clever little touches and got involved.
Poor control for the fourth goal, yes, but he was running full tilt and had to stop try to pivot and turn collecting a ball because Sotorio fluked a nutmeg pass square to him when trying to play it forward for the run. Sotorio's give away in my mind as much as Hemed's.
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