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Nix Transfer Speculation 2019-20

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 6 years ago

potentially our worst start to a season ever

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 6 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.
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over 6 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that the people organising the draw wanted to give SFC, MV and WU easier draws to ensure they get in the finals considering the perceived importance of the markets they represent so we end up playing those teams more because we're a weaker side

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Honestly, now that METRICS are no longer (?) hanging over our head, I don't blame Dome/Talay if they're going to write off this season as rebuilding. Sucks for everyone who's got season tickets, but as long as there is a 2020/21 season to look forward to, I'm going to lower my expectations right through the floor and try to be chill.


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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

Ranix wrote:

What about Elliot Collier ???

USL season must be just about over.

Look forward to him getting some playing time for AWs in Nov.

Has good feet (futsal background) and of course he's tall.

However seems more a winger than a striker. A Kiwi Sheridan.

6 goals this USL season to date from 24 games (19 starts). 3 of those goals came in one game against weakest team in Western Conference (Hartford). USL a step down from A League.

Doubt he's what the Nix need. But always happy to see more Kiwis at the club, and if he was cheap.....

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over 6 years ago

They cant win had they they signed someone who turned out to be a dud  they would be getting it as well.Still waiting for someone to post just how they are meant to force a striker who is acceptable to sign for us.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 6 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Honestly, now that METRICS are no longer (?) hanging over our head, I don't blame Dome/Talay if they're going to write off this season as rebuilding. Sucks for everyone who's got season tickets, but as long as there is a 2020/21 season to look forward to, I'm going to lower my expectations right through the floor and try to be chill.

Agreed, I've got no illusions about this season at all and given the makeup of the squad fully expect us to be down in spoon territory. Put it down as another in a long line of seasons of transition.

Now personally I'm fine with that but part of me is till suffering from a kind of FFA-induced PTSD, which means with every poor result and poor crowd I'm cringing in expectation of yet another call for our execution. I'll be interested to see how the club deals with the short term/long term goals equation under this new A League setup, and whether they hold their nerve if/when the crowds start deserting in droves. 

Assuming our long term future is secure I think laying the groundwork now (in terms of a new coaching vision, youth/Kiwi development, etc) is massively important, even at the cost of short term failure. Don't know if other fans are going to have the patience for it though.

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over 6 years ago

ballane wrote:

They cant win had they they signed someone who turned out to be a dud  they would be getting it as well.Still waiting for someone to post just how they are meant to force a striker who is acceptable to sign for us.

Yeah, I've been kind of amazed at the common meme around here that if we don't get/keep the person that we want it's incompetence on behalf of the Nix. In some cases there wouldn't be enough money in the world to get someone to play here even if Domey were printing it himself.


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over 6 years ago

Too early to wallow in doom and gloom I reckon. We were within touching distance of a draw. Cmon.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 6 years ago

Any 'rebuilding' excuse is a total cop out. Western United are a brand new club and aiming for the playoffs, so should we. It may be that we stuffed up and haven't signed the right players, but let's be honest about that and not hide behind 'rebuilding'.

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over 6 years ago

Who's this Semmy guy? Can someone please tell me more?

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over 6 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Who's this Semmy guy? Can someone please tell me more?

Might need a little blue pill
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over 6 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

Adelaide came 4th last year without a striker.

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

Colvinator wrote:

Any 'rebuilding' excuse is a total cop out. Western United are a brand new club and aiming for the playoffs, so should we. It may be that we stuffed up and haven't signed the right players, but let's be honest about that and not hide behind 'rebuilding'.

You are probably looking at an orange verus apple scenario

How much have WU spent on player wages as opposed to the Nix?

Rudan maybe a Judas, so who knows for sure, but if he made a shot at Welnix for not spending enough, and then moved to WU - would seem his new team has a bigger wages budget. Maybe much bigger.

Who are the backers/owners of WU? Are they more passionate about football than Welnix? So therefore willing to open the wallet more, on a likely loss making 'investment'.

Seems WU have a mixed private/public funding model, with help from Victorian State Govt?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/how-the-west-was-done-the-men-who-made-western-united-happen-20191010-p52zf3.html

Are WU more concerned with the short term, and trying to make playoffs in their first season, so building a fan base more quickly?

Without knowing answers to all the above, can't compare Nix to the Bitumens.

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over 6 years ago

WU also has a higher cap than the other teams iirc

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over 6 years ago

So I think we can safely assume we didn't get it done. Hard not to feel pretty deflated

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 6 years ago

Ryan wrote:

WU also has a higher cap than the other teams iirc

WU have a slightly higher cap ($3.6m v $3.2m) but it is offset by the fact that they can't claim homegrown players (unlimited wages outside the cap for up to four players aged 23 or younger that have come through the club's youth system) or loyalty players (a portion of wages outside the cap for any number of players who have been at the club for four or more consecutive seasons).

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over 6 years ago

The cap is in name only. 

The A League is now consistently dominated by the bigger spending clubs, of which who knows WU may join.

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over 6 years ago

Ranix wrote:

What about Elliot Collier ???

USL season must be just about over.

He is registered at a club, so couldn't be signed until January. Its only free agents who can be signed until then.
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over 6 years ago

Which I think is our current strategy...find a guy who is currently contracted (possibly just til the end of the season) but not playing/out of favour with the manager. See if he can have his contract rescinded and then sign him as a free agent.


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over 6 years ago

Ryan wrote:

WU also has a higher cap than the other teams iirc

WU have a slightly higher cap ($3.6m v $3.2m) but it is offset by the fact that they can't claim homegrown players (unlimited wages outside the cap for up to four players aged 23 or younger that have come through the club's youth system) or loyalty players (a portion of wages outside the cap for any number of players who have been at the club for four or more consecutive seasons).

WUN using both their designated player spots is a bigger impact than that salary cap concession. Diamanti & Kone will both be on seven figures deals.
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over 6 years ago

RR wrote:

Ranix wrote:

What about Elliot Collier ???

USL season must be just about over.

He is registered at a club, so couldn't be signed until January. Its only free agents who can be signed until then.

Looks like Colliers contract expires end of next month. If he was wanting to go elsewhere at seasons end you would think his club would be happy to release him early and save a months worth of wages.

Not sure he is our answer as a striker, but just thought I'd put his name out there. Ticks a few boxes. Tall target man. Has been scoring goals this season and last (albeit USL level) + he's a NZer.

As far as NZers go, I'd put him above Bevan on my target list

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over 6 years ago

Ranix wrote:

RR wrote:

Ranix wrote:

What about Elliot Collier ???

USL season must be just about over.

He is registered at a club, so couldn't be signed until January. Its only free agents who can be signed until then.

Looks like Colliers contract expires end of next month. If he was wanting to go elsewhere at seasons end you would think his club would be happy to release him early and save a months worth of wages.

Not sure he is our answer as a striker, but just thought I'd put his name out there. Ticks a few boxes. Tall target man. Has been scoring goals this season and last (albeit USL level) + he's a NZer.

As far as NZers go, I'd put him above Bevan on my target list

He had to be a free agent yesterday, so its too late for him to get a release.
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over 6 years ago

Ranix wrote:

RR wrote:

Ranix wrote:

What about Elliot Collier ???

USL season must be just about over.

He is registered at a club, so couldn't be signed until January. Its only free agents who can be signed until then.

Looks like Colliers contract expires end of next month. If he was wanting to go elsewhere at seasons end you would think his club would be happy to release him early and save a months worth of wages.

Not sure he is our answer as a striker, but just thought I'd put his name out there. Ticks a few boxes. Tall target man. Has been scoring goals this season and last (albeit USL level) + he's a NZer.

As far as NZers go, I'd put him above Bevan on my target list

On loan from MSL team Chicago Fire to Memphis in USL. So probably depends whether Fire still see him as a MLS prospect.

Also whether he is close to getting a Green Card (or has even applied for one). He's been in the US a number of years now.

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over 6 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that the people organising the draw wanted to give SFC, MV and WU easier draws to ensure they get in the finals considering the perceived importance of the markets they represent so we end up playing those teams more because we're a weaker side

A conspiracy theorist may think that we didn't have the guts or nous to sign a decent striker but postpone that important decision to January.

So since the nIx won't score any goals and will lose anyway, let's give them the tough games initially

Then when they finally get organised and sign a striker they may win some 


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over 6 years ago

bollocks we have plenty of goals in us  give them a break ffs

COYN

                                                                        COYN    

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over 6 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that the people organising the draw wanted to give SFC, MV and WU easier draws to ensure they get in the finals considering the perceived importance of the markets they represent so we end up playing those teams more because we're a weaker side

A conspiracy theorist may think that we didn't have the guts or nous to sign a decent striker but postpone that important decision to January.

So since the nIx won't score any goals and will lose anyway, let's give them the tough games initially

Then when they finally get organise ed and sign a striker they may win some 

Not panicking and settling for a striker to me is the more gutsy move,maybe wrong but gutsy.

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

HZA wrote:

bollocks we have plenty of goals in us  give them a break ffs

COYN

Rufer surprised me by getting into a scoring position (and he was probably just as surprised)

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 6 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that the people organising the draw wanted to give SFC, MV and WU easier draws to ensure they get in the finals considering the perceived importance of the markets they represent so we end up playing those teams more because we're a weaker side

A conspiracy theorist may think that we didn't have the guts or nous to sign a decent striker but postpone that important decision to January.

So since the nIx won't score any goals and will lose anyway, let's give them the tough games initially

Then when they finally get organise ed and sign a striker they may win some 

Not panicking and settling for a striker to me is the more gutsy move,maybe wrong but gutsy.

Striking distance by January, unbeaten run until the end of season with new top drawer striker 



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over 6 years ago

Anyone win Powerball to sign Wilfried Bony for the Nix?

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over 6 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

HZA wrote:

bollocks we have plenty of goals in us  give them a break ffs

COYN

Rufer surprised me by getting into a scoring position (and he was probably just as surprised)

and if mccowatt hadn't hit his shot so hard rufer might well have buried it

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 6 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I don't say this lightly but considering WUs team and our inabillity to not score, we have SYD, PER, MV and MC coming up whom are all a tougher proposition. We could conceivably be 5 rounds in, 0 points and 0 goals. Waiting until January basically says 'We are developing youth this season and stuff the results'

You do not make playoffs without a striker, even more so when you sign on in January and the season is bolted.

Talay and Dome can make all the noise the like about the right player but as its stands, playoffs are out of our reach. A striker would have possibly made that an option. When the fans stop turning up because of the results, they can't whinge at anyone.

We do have a tough draw - not just the first month, we play Perth, SFC, MV, WU an extra time and get bye rounds for when we would play teams like CCM, NUJ. It would be interesting to see what a home and away table would look like at the end of the season.

A conspiracy theorist might suggest that the people organising the draw wanted to give SFC, MV and WU easier draws to ensure they get in the finals considering the perceived importance of the markets they represent so we end up playing those teams more because we're a weaker side

A conspiracy theorist may think that we didn't have the guts or nous to sign a decent striker but postpone that important decision to January.

So since the nIx won't score any goals and will lose anyway, let's give them the tough games initially

Then when they finally get organised and sign a striker they may win some 

A conspiracy theorist would be ignoring the 2 players that we had all but signed that fell through due to the player/his teammates getting injured.

Valley FC til I die?

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over 6 years ago

Outpost wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Honestly, now that METRICS are no longer (?) hanging over our head, I don't blame Dome/Talay if they're going to write off this season as rebuilding. Sucks for everyone who's got season tickets, but as long as there is a 2020/21 season to look forward to, I'm going to lower my expectations right through the floor and try to be chill.

Agreed, I've got no illusions about this season at all and given the makeup of the squad fully expect us to be down in spoon territory. Put it down as another in a long line of seasons of transition.

Now personally I'm fine with that but part of me is till suffering from a kind of FFA-induced PTSD, which means with every poor result and poor crowd I'm cringing in expectation of yet another call for our execution. I'll be interested to see how the club deals with the short term/long term goals equation under this new A League setup, and whether they hold their nerve if/when the crowds start deserting in droves. 

Assuming our long term future is secure I think laying the groundwork now (in terms of a new coaching vision, youth/Kiwi development, etc) is massively important, even at the cost of short term failure. Don't know if other fans are going to have the patience for it though.

100% this

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over 6 years ago

Watch this space......tick tock........announcement imminent.

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over 6 years ago

Now Rollo saying there will be a major announcement this afternoon. Fingers crossed!

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over 6 years ago

Striker signing incoming!

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over 6 years ago

Sits back and waits for armchair coaches to moan and groan because they deem signed player isnt good enough.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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over 6 years ago

Is this is not a striker their timing is very bad...

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over 6 years ago

The wording doesn't sound like a player signing to me, but fingers crossed. 

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