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Nix v RADelaide Saturday 27th October, 7:30pm SS2 from Hindmarsh

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over 13 years ago

BarryZuckerkorn wrote:

I dunno if it's been mentioned elsewhere but I recall Totori being called offside when he would have had a clear chance, but on the replay it looked like he'd stayed onside. It was a close call but in the context of the rest of that debacle was even more frustrating. He was definitely closer to being on than Cassio was



That one was definitely ONside, no doubt about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Paston - every goal seemed to almost go in the middle of the goal and I can't recall Paston even moving for any of the 3 goals!


Have a look again. All three goals were scored in the bottom left corner.

 



3rd one yes, 1st and 2nd, not really right in the corner that's for sure.

Having watched again goals 1 and 2 might've been saveable, 3rd one probably no chance to be fair to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

BarryZuckerkorn wrote:

I dunno if it's been mentioned elsewhere but I recall Totori being called offside when he would have had a clear chance, but on the replay it looked like he'd stayed onside. It was a close call but in the context of the rest of that debacle was even more frustrating. He was definitely closer to being on than Cassio was


Yep, was just a few minutes after their second goal, and he was definitely onside. 
Though it was Totori, so probably nothing would have come out of it anyway.
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over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

On the other side of things, I am worried the 'Bertos experiment' is not working.  He is not a defender and he never will be.  For that 2nd goal in particular he could've made more of an effort to get a tackle in, but was too busy worrying about claiming for offside.  The 3rd goal was similar with Bertos the closest to the player, but not getting a foot in.  As I say though, not completely his fault when he's been playing out of position.  Absolutely ridiculous that the right back problem has not been solved for so many years.


Thought Leo was one of our best on the day. Second goal was a Totori/refereeing clusterfuck, third goal good portion of the blame goes to Totori again, and defence being a bit out of kilter following the Siggy send-off.
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over 13 years ago

Agreed. I think the Leo exoeriment is showing positive signs.  If he keeps improving at the current rate he'll be superb by the end of the season.

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over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

On the other side of things, I am worried the 'Bertos experiment' is not working.  He is not a defender and he never will be.  For that 2nd goal in particular he could've made more of an effort to get a tackle in, but was too busy worrying about claiming for offside.  The 3rd goal was similar with Bertos the closest to the player, but not getting a foot in.  As I say though, not completely his fault when he's been playing out of position.  Absolutely ridiculous that the right back problem has not been solved for so many years.


Thought Leo was one of our best on the day. Second goal was a Totori/refereeing clusterfuck, third goal good portion of the blame goes to Totori again, and defence being a bit out of kilter following the Siggy send-off.


Yeah I see others thought Bertos did well.  Maybe I am being overly harsh, I just recall several times where he didn't put a tackle in and allowed crosses into the box.  Second goal was a joke in many ways, my point is just that right before Cassio took the shot, Bertos was close enough to get a tackle in but just didn't and then claimed for offside by which point it was clear no offside call was coming.  3rd, yes Totori just running into players is not good.  Not Bertos' 'fault' as such, he just seemed to be quite close to Jeronimo the cheat again just before he struck it.

It may be coincidence but 4 of the 5 goals we've lost this season have come from that sort of same area, on that right side - i.e. first 2 goals last night, Berisha's, and that one against Heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

You'd struggle to blame Leo for the Heart one and Totori should have lumped Cassio (seeing as Cassio kicked everythink in Yellow and Black it would have been fair) and just stopped him running.  Same as Lia for the Heart goal.

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over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

On the other side of things, I am worried the 'Bertos experiment' is not working.  He is not a defender and he never will be.  For that 2nd goal in particular he could've made more of an effort to get a tackle in, but was too busy worrying about claiming for offside.  The 3rd goal was similar with Bertos the closest to the player, but not getting a foot in.  As I say though, not completely his fault when he's been playing out of position.  Absolutely ridiculous that the right back problem has not been solved for so many years.


Thought Leo was one of our best on the day. Second goal was a Totori/refereeing clusterfuck, third goal good portion of the blame goes to Totori again, and defence being a bit out of kilter following the Siggy send-off.


Yeah I see others thought Bertos did well.  Maybe I am being overly harsh, I just recall several times where he didn't put a tackle in and allowed crosses into the box.  Second goal was a joke in many ways, my point is just that right before Cassio took the shot, Bertos was close enough to get a tackle in but just didn't and then claimed for offside by which point it was clear no offside call was coming.  3rd, yes Totori just running into players is not good.  Not Bertos' 'fault' as such, he just seemed to be quite close to Jeronimo the cheat again just before he struck it.

It may be coincidence but 4 of the 5 goals we've lost this season have come from that sort of same area, on that right side - i.e. first 2 goals last night, Berisha's, and that one against Heart.

For the second goal Bertos wasn't close to blocking the shot, he was close to Jeronimo who played the return ball to Cassio who put it away. But Jeronimo was a yard offside - that's good defensive work, but you need the referees to uphold it, and they failed badly there.

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over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Totori should have lumped Cassio (seeing as Cassio kicked everythink in Yellow and Black it would have been fair) and just stopped him running.  Same as Lia for the Heart goal.


He didn't even need to lump him, just show some urgency and slow him down just for a bit, put some sort of a challenge, anything, just not jog behind him like he was at a Sunday kickaround at a local park.
Lia shouldn't have pressed the ball in the first place for the Heart goal, he needed to defend the space, but once he did, he probably needed to foul there.
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over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

On the other side of things, I am worried the 'Bertos experiment' is not working.  He is not a defender and he never will be.  For that 2nd goal in particular he could've made more of an effort to get a tackle in, but was too busy worrying about claiming for offside.  The 3rd goal was similar with Bertos the closest to the player, but not getting a foot in.  As I say though, not completely his fault when he's been playing out of position.  Absolutely ridiculous that the right back problem has not been solved for so many years.


Thought Leo was one of our best on the day. Second goal was a Totori/refereeing clusterfuck, third goal good portion of the blame goes to Totori again, and defence being a bit out of kilter following the Siggy send-off.


Yeah I see others thought Bertos did well.  Maybe I am being overly harsh, I just recall several times where he didn't put a tackle in and allowed crosses into the box.  Second goal was a joke in many ways, my point is just that right before Cassio took the shot, Bertos was close enough to get a tackle in but just didn't and then claimed for offside by which point it was clear no offside call was coming.  3rd, yes Totori just running into players is not good.  Not Bertos' 'fault' as such, he just seemed to be quite close to Jeronimo the cheat again just before he struck it.

It may be coincidence but 4 of the 5 goals we've lost this season have come from that sort of same area, on that right side - i.e. first 2 goals last night, Berisha's, and that one against Heart.

For the second goal Bertos wasn't close to blocking the shot, he was close to Jeronimo who played the return ball to Cassio who put it away. But Jeronimo was a yard offside - that's good defensive work, but you need the referees to uphold it, and they failed badly there.



Bertos was right beside Cassio when he hit his shot, he could've put in a challenge but stopped and claimed for offside instead.  I agree though, it was a definite offside before it got to that point, but once Bertos was in a position to potentially block the shot, he should've done that and worried about the linesman afterwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

Hm, don't remember it that far, recall that Dura was vigorously appealing for offside, have to see the replay of it again.

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over 13 years ago

Definitely Bertos, just watched it again to make sure I wasn't talking nonsense!  I think for the 2nd and 3rd Bertos could've thrown himself in front of the ball, just a bit lazy IMO.


In other news, Kosmina is an idiot - http://www.footballcourier.com/news/story/1635002/kosmina-silent-on-sigmund-red-card/full_story.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

Leo would have had to be very careful not to give away a penalty (and probably a red card) if he were to dive in for a tackle for the second goal.


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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Leo would have had to be very careful not to give away a penalty (and probably a red card) if he were to dive in for a tackle for the second goal.



Yeah, but he still should've tried to make the tackle. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Leo would have had to be very careful not to give away a penalty (and probably a red card) if he were to dive in for a tackle for the second goal.



Yeah, but he still should've tried to make the tackle. 
Agree.

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

 That is harsh on Leo, the ball is away from him in both instances

I dont think Pasty could have saved any of those  (I know he didnt but I'm saying he isnt at fault)


http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/herbert-stoic-in-defeat/51484


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over 13 years ago

Rosco wrote:

So if, and when , Siggys red card gets retrospectively rescinded because Jeronimo dived, shouldn't Jeronimo be retrospectively booked for simulation?


Rules probably don't allow for it but they should.

Siggy may get a semi pardon from the judiciary  ,our Captain will probably be hammered by the judiciary  and that dirty cheating Argentine prick will face no justice what so ever!
(although I suspect a few of us  will make our feelings felt on February the 24th at the stadium )

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over 13 years ago

Kiwi Jambo wrote:

Rosco wrote:

So if, and when , Siggys red card gets retrospectively rescinded because Jeronimo dived, shouldn't Jeronimo be retrospectively booked for simulation?


Rules probably don't allow for it but they should.

Siggy may get a semi pardon from the judiciary  ,our Captain will probably be hammered by the judiciary  and that dirty cheating Argentine prick will face no justice what so ever!
(although I suspect a few of us  will make our feelings felt on February the 24th at the stadium )

Count me in.  SInce there is a finite amount of hate to go round  I will have to ease up on Mini Judas.

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over 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 That is harsh on Leo, the ball is away from him in both instances

I dont think Pasty could have saved any of those  (I know he didnt but I'm saying he isnt at fault)


http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/herbert-stoic-in-defeat/51484



Very harsh, no way can he block the shot for the second goal, the only thing he could have done is dived in at the moment Cassio receives the return ball but he's well behind him at that time and that would have been very, very risky - you're risking  a goal-chance + red card as opposed to just a goal-chance. Tough decision for any defender to make, don't think Leo deserves criticism for the decision he made there.
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over 13 years ago

We'll have to agree to disagree.  He stopped running and didn't even try to get a tackle in.  Defenders should be doing everything possible to get in between ball and goal and he just didn't do enough.  All IMO of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

From the Melbourne Age

"Adelaide import Jeronimo Neumann may become only the third A-League player banned for diving while Wellington captain Andrew Durante could also be sanctioned for calling him a cheat.

Argentine midfielder Neumann continued his great form in his first A-League season with two goals in the Reds' 3-1 win at Hindmarsh Stadium on Saturday but he was also at the centre of the highly controversial incident which resulted in Wellington defender Ben Sigmund being sent off.

Replays looked damning after Neumann tumbled in the box following a nudge on his leg from behind by last defender Sigmund and the incident is certain to be reviewed by the A-League's match review committee on Monday.

Under the league's rules on simulation introduced two seasons ago, players can be punished if a dive results in a red card or penalty and Neumann could be hit with the standard two-match ban.

That was the penalty served by former Central Coast Argentine import Patricio Perez and ex-Perth striker Michael Baird, who were banned for diving incidents in the 2010/11 season and remain the only players to have fallen victim to the policy.

The Phoenix have appealed Sigmund's red card but it will automatically be rescinded if Neumann is found guilty."

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over 13 years ago

sauce?

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over 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

 

Adelaide import Jeronimo Neumann may become only the third A-League player banned for diving while Wellington captain Andrew Durante could also be sanctioned for calling him a cheat.

Argentine midfielder Neumann continued his great form in his first A-League season with two goals in the Reds' 3-1 win at Hindmarsh Stadium on Saturday but he was also at the centre of the highly controversial incident which resulted in Wellington defender Ben Sigmund being sent off.

Replays looked damning after Neumann tumbled in the box following a nudge on his leg from behind by last defender Sigmund and the incident is certain to be reviewed by the A-League's match review committee on Monday.

Under the league's rules on simulation introduced two seasons ago, players can be punished if a dive results in a red card or penalty and Neumann could be hit with the standard two-match ban.

That was the penalty served by former Central Coast Argentine import Patricio Perez and ex-Perth striker Michael Baird, who were banned for diving incidents in the 2010/11 season and remain the only players to have fallen victim to the policy.

The Phoenix have appealed Sigmund's red card but it will automatically be rescinded if Neumann is found guilty.

Where is this from?
Linky linky?

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over 13 years ago

 Read all about it here

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/jeronimo-likely-to-cop-aleague-ban-20121028-28de3.html

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over 13 years ago

I fail to see why the A-League could ban Jeronimo for cheating, and then punish Durante for saying he cheated!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

 I remember the Patricio Perez incident - not the Baird one.

Intersting to note that Perez too is a South American, and that he was new to the A-League (it was his debut from memory).

If indeed there is a cultural component to diving - and some players are more prone to it than others - then FFA must make it clear that such behaviour will NOT be tolerated in this part of the world.

Does anyone know when the Match Panel Review meets? Also, who/where/when is in charge of reprimanding players/coaches etc for (alleged) inappropriate behaviour?

I'm really curious to see what FFA will do...


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over 13 years ago

 I'll be very surprised if they ban Jeronimo.  They'll claim the Sigmund contact as an out to keep a player that they have spent 4 weeks fapping over.

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over 13 years ago

I think there is a clause that you can't ban a player that has sunshine emerging from his arse.

I know, I know, its serious!

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over 13 years ago

Teehee it's on wiki so must be true

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over 13 years ago

Bozza on Fox saying Geronimo dived.

Miron saying Geronimo exaggerated the contact from Sigmund

Djite saying Geronimo doesnt understand English and didnt get what the Phoenix were calling him - yeah right

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over 13 years ago

Jeronimo won't be banned, as Siggy still fouled him. As much as I would love Jeronimo to sit in the stands for a few weeks I'm not sure it will happen. Also don't think Durante will be banned either

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over 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

Bozza on Fox saying Geronimo dived.

Miron saying Geronimo exaggerated the contact from Sigmund

Djite saying Geronimo doesnt understand English and didnt get what the Phoenix were calling him - yeah right



What Miron actually said was he exaggerated but he was within his rights to do so. Also he criticised Durante for his comments and said he did "more damage to the game" than Geronimo.
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over 13 years ago

Fox Sports London Correspondant: "That dive was one of the worst I have ever seen"


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over 13 years ago

Outpost wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

Bozza on Fox saying Geronimo dived.

Miron saying Geronimo exaggerated the contact from Sigmund

Djite saying Geronimo doesnt understand English and didnt get what the Phoenix were calling him - yeah right



What Miron actually said was he exaggerated but he was within his rights to do so. Also he criticised Durante for his comments and said he did "more damage to the game" than Geronimo.


What a sad state of affairs it is that some people are happy to accept diving as 'part of the game' but still when anyone criticises a referee it is dealt with as if it is a major offence.

Bunch of idiots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

arnies wrote:

Jeronimo won't be banned, as Siggy still fouled him. As much as I would love Jeronimo to sit in the stands for a few weeks I'm not sure it will happen. Also don't think Durante will be banned either



if he is not banned and the red card reversed the a-league bosses need to take a serious look at themselves and stop paying lip service to "being against diving/cheating". Sure Siggy grabbed at Jeronimo, he barely made contat, at no point did he drag him down, and besides that Jeronimo took two step after the contact - there is no way that was a red, yellow at best - it was not a scoring chance the ball was gone. end of, if the card is not reversed and Jeronimo remains playing then the nix have been robbed not only of poiints but justice.

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