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Paul Ifill

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

I'm looking forward to this new season. We have a proper pre-season, Merrick has some time to sort out the game plan rather than scrambling to complete a roster and if we get WeeMac then we have one of, if not the best midfield we've ever had in Reira, Gorrin and WeeMac with Muscat and Lia +Hicks, Ridenton and Rufer for back up. The squad feels like it has a bit more depth than last season and seems more in line with the style Merrick wants us to play. Not replacing Stein is a little worrying, Burns seems to be his replacement.

I don't think our starting 11 looks too bad at all.

                     Moss

Fenton    Siggy    Dura     Muscat

                 Reira

     Gorrin          WeeMac

               Burns

  Brockie*            Kenny

*or Krishna or Boyd or Ifill (maybe)

I feel like Burns should be a kind of number 10 with two higher strikers above him, he seems to have better passing and vision than our other strikers. I don't see us using a genuine number 9.

Edit: Totally forgot this was the Paul Ifill thread and not transfer speculation or something but never mind.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:
Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? 

A good majority of the posters here. We have a "pop-gun attack" and we're "weaker than last year", remember, because David Dome spent too much time on these Football United shenanigans (apparently).

Most of this forum have decided that 2014-15 is another bust season before a ball has been kicked.

Well a good majority of the posters here expected us to be top four in 2012-2013 with Brockie and Stein coming into the fold and finally getting rid of scape goat number one Tim Brown. And look how that ended up.

over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

depends on cap space after Burns, Gorrin, and WeeMac we might not have any. Plus we can only sign someone on a one year deal. A one legged Ifill is still better than half the imports in the league.

Firstly, no-one has seen a one legged Ifill play.  Secondly, and I feel like a broken record on this point but I think it's important, we need to focus on the next Ifill rather than pretending that Ifill 2014 is going to be the same player as Ifill 2008

Yes, if we can and if we have the cap space. Which I suspect we don't.

How do we have one of the worst teams in the A-League and not have any cap space? Also we still have 3 marquee spots. We don't need to get a super, super player as a marquee. Why can't we just sign a relatively average international marquee but pay him about what we pay our other international players. If Welnix don't want to buy another player then that is fine but having no cap space doesn't make sense to me.

Because the owners have said that its a marquee less team.

The cap space issue is an assumption based on a few factors. firstly Burns and Gorrin would not have been cheap, secondly we apparently offered McGlinchey much more than any other team was able to without making him Marquee, thirdly we only have a couple of roster spots left and are looking only at cover players. 

If McGlinchey falls through then we likely will have the cap space to sign the next Ifill (but will only be able to offer a single year as foreign space is precious and you would think that we would like to extend Cunningham and Riera if they have a good seasons)

Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? I think we are going to be extremely competitive. I expect Krishna and Boyd to step up, Burns to show us what he can do, and Cunningham to get into double digits, solid pre-season, etc.

What I said seems to be the general narrative of this forum. I don't know how good we will be. Take a team like Adelaide which seems to have a lot of talent and no marquee to my knowledge (they were looking at a Chinese guy, yeah?). Is our squad really has good as Adelaide? On the one hand maybe there is a New Zealand premium in that you have to pay a player like Burns more to play in New Zealand. On the other hand our New Zealand players should be relatively cheap because many don't have a lot of options.

What the owners meant I think by no marquee is no Dwght Yorke, Del Piero, David Villa. It would be illogical to me to say we need a striker, we have an import spot, we have a guy who is willing to sign for 200k but we won't sign him because we don't have salary cap space. If we don't sign a new player it will be because Welnix/Merrick think we don't need a new player or because the funds are not available. I don't think it will be because of an ideological opposition to the use of the marquee. Why would you be willing to sign a player if you had the cap space for that player but not be willing to use your marquee spot on that same player?

over 11 years ago

that's 200k welnix would be spending on a player when we're already making a loss. I think that's the idea behind the no marquee rule. 


Allegedly

over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:
Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? 

A good majority of the posters here. We have a "pop-gun attack" and we're "weaker than last year", remember, because David Dome spent too much time on these Football United shenanigans (apparently).

Most of this forum have decided that 2014-15 is another bust season before a ball has been kicked.

Well a good majority of the posters here expected us to be top four in 2012-2013 with Brockie and Stein coming into the fold and finally getting rid of scape goat number one Tim Brown. And look how that ended up.

Who is going to be worse than us though? I think the pessimism is based on the fact it seems impossible for Melbourne City to finish last and the Glory have improved a lot more. The two teams who look very much worse (the Wanderers and CCM) both have good records in the past and while they might have bad seasons, it seems a stretch to see them right at the bottom. Obviously there are still heaps of unknowns both within ourselves and the rest of the league so to make an accurate prediction is difficult. 

Looking at one betting agency it has us last at $19 with Newcastle so whether they are correct or not we are not seen as having a strong squad.

over 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

james dean wrote:

Ryan wrote:

depends on cap space after Burns, Gorrin, and WeeMac we might not have any. Plus we can only sign someone on a one year deal. A one legged Ifill is still better than half the imports in the league.

Firstly, no-one has seen a one legged Ifill play.  Secondly, and I feel like a broken record on this point but I think it's important, we need to focus on the next Ifill rather than pretending that Ifill 2014 is going to be the same player as Ifill 2008

Yes, if we can and if we have the cap space. Which I suspect we don't.

How do we have one of the worst teams in the A-League and not have any cap space? Also we still have 3 marquee spots. We don't need to get a super, super player as a marquee. Why can't we just sign a relatively average international marquee but pay him about what we pay our other international players. If Welnix don't want to buy another player then that is fine but having no cap space doesn't make sense to me.

Because the owners have said that its a marquee less team.

The cap space issue is an assumption based on a few factors. firstly Burns and Gorrin would not have been cheap, secondly we apparently offered McGlinchey much more than any other team was able to without making him Marquee, thirdly we only have a couple of roster spots left and are looking only at cover players. 

If McGlinchey falls through then we likely will have the cap space to sign the next Ifill (but will only be able to offer a single year as foreign space is precious and you would think that we would like to extend Cunningham and Riera if they have a good seasons)

Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? I think we are going to be extremely competitive. I expect Krishna and Boyd to step up, Burns to show us what he can do, and Cunningham to get into double digits, solid pre-season, etc.

What I said seems to be the general narrative of this forum. I don't know how good we will be. Take a team like Adelaide which seems to have a lot of talent and no marquee to my knowledge (they were looking at a Chinese guy, yeah?). Is our squad really has good as Adelaide? On the one hand maybe there is a New Zealand premium in that you have to pay a player like Burns more to play in New Zealand. On the other hand our New Zealand players should be relatively cheap because many don't have a lot of options.

What the owners meant I think by no marquee is no Dwght Yorke, Del Piero, David Villa. It would be illogical to me to say we need a striker, we have an import spot, we have a guy who is willing to sign for 200k but we won't sign him because we don't have salary cap space. If we don't sign a new player it will be because Welnix/Merrick think we don't need a new player or because the funds are not available. I don't think it will be because of an ideological opposition to the use of the marquee. Why would you be willing to sign a player if you had the cap space for that player but not be willing to use your marquee spot on that same player?

Okay I should have said the owners have given Merick the salary cap. They might be able to spend an extra 200k on a player, but then that's not how the route to balancing books as they see it. And remember we went toe to toe with Adelaide for the middle part of last year. 

Compared to last year I think our squad is overall better than the team that was unlucky at the start, and successful in the middle of last year. 

Our midfield is arguably better, our defense looks better (despite slow centre backs we have settled full backs), our coaches are settled, our buildup has been and will be better, our attack is hard to compare, but to be honest Waffles wasted way too many chances and we are now at least mobile.

Strikers aren't cool anymore anyway, everyone wants a false 9 :P

over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Tegal wrote:

that's 200k welnix would be spending on a player when we're already making a loss. I think that's the idea behind the no marquee rule. 

That was my impression too. My point is if Welnix aren't going to spend 200k on an average marquee then how do we know that the squad is not 200-300k short of the salary cap either?

Edit: Sorry if Welnix have stated they have given Merrick the salary cap to spend then that is obviously different. I suppos if we are spending the cap then we can't use the "we're a small market" excuse if we miss the playoffs.

over 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

that's 200k welnix would be spending on a player when we're already making a loss. I think that's the idea behind the no marquee rule. 

That was my impression too. My point is if Welnix aren't going to spend 200k on an average marquee then how do we know that the squad is not 200-300k short of the salary cap either?

Edit: Sorry if Welnix have stated they have given Merrick the salary cap to spend then that is obviously different. I suppos if we are spending the cap then we can't use the "we're a small market" excuse if we miss the playoffs.

The FFA gives the nix the entirety of the salary cap, Welnix only has to cover players above it. So it costs them nothing to give Merick the whole cap. Although there was talk on the CCM forum recently about the club being allowed to spend 80% of the cap and keep the rest.

over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

that's 200k welnix would be spending on a player when we're already making a loss. I think that's the idea behind the no marquee rule. 

That was my impression too. My point is if Welnix aren't going to spend 200k on an average marquee then how do we know that the squad is not 200-300k short of the salary cap either?

Edit: Sorry if Welnix have stated they have given Merrick the salary cap to spend then that is obviously different. I suppos if we are spending the cap then we can't use the "we're a small market" excuse if we miss the playoffs.

The FFA gives the nix the entirety of the salary cap, Welnix only has to cover players above it. So it costs them nothing to give Merick the whole cap. Although there was talk on the CCM forum recently about the club being allowed to spend 80% of the cap and keep the rest.

Okay, my understanding was that each team was just given $2.5 million and they could spend that how they choose. Thanks for clarifying.

over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Have we really spent 2.5 million on these players?

Throw WeeMac in there as well but still.

In bold are players I Imagine are fairly expensive, Italics are close to minimum wage and plain text are median wage type players based upon my complete guess work.

Anyone have an accurate guestimate of how close to the cap we are?

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

.

Michael BOXALL

Tyler BOYD (u21)

Josh BRINDELL-SOUTH

Jeremy BROCKIE

Reece CAIRA

Kenny CUNNINGHAM (f)

Louis FENTON (u21)

Jason HICKS

Lewis ITALIANO

Glen MOSS

Albert RIERA (f)

Ben SIGMUND

.

EXPIRES END OF 2015/16:

.

Nathan BURNS

Andrew DURANTE

Alejandro GORRIN (f) (+1)

Roy KRISHNA (f)

Vince LIA

Manny MUSCAT

Matthew RIDENTON (u21)

Alex RUFER (u21)

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over 11 years ago

Remember The PFA set a minimum wage for senior players - not sure if we have a youth rate from them. Average per player of approx 100k if we fill the cap. 

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over 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Tegal wrote:

that's 200k welnix would be spending on a player when we're already making a loss. I think that's the idea behind the no marquee rule. 

That was my impression too. My point is if Welnix aren't going to spend 200k on an average marquee then how do we know that the squad is not 200-300k short of the salary cap either?

Edit: Sorry if Welnix have stated they have given Merrick the salary cap to spend then that is obviously different. I suppos if we are spending the cap then we can't use the "we're a small market" excuse if we miss the playoffs.

The FFA gives the nix the entirety of the salary cap, Welnix only has to cover players above it. So it costs them nothing to give Merick the whole cap. Although there was talk on the CCM forum recently about the club being allowed to spend 80% of the cap and keep the rest.

Okay, my understanding was that each team was just given $2.5 million and they could spend that how they choose. Thanks for clarifying.

Don't really know, but it has been said that the nix get the whole cap by I think Gareth Morgan.

over 11 years ago

asmodeus_82 wrote:

Have we really spent 2.5 million on these players?

Throw WeeMac in there as well but still.

In bold are players I Imagine are fairly expensive, Italics are close to minimum wage and plain text are median wage type players based upon my complete guess work.

Anyone have an accurate guestimate of how close to the cap we are?

EXPIRES END OF 2014/15:

.

Michael BOXALL

Tyler BOYD (u21)

Josh BRINDELL-SOUTH

Jeremy BROCKIE

Reece CAIRA

Kenny CUNNINGHAM (f)

Louis FENTON (u21)

Jason HICKS

Lewis ITALIANO

Glen MOSS

Albert RIERA (f)

Ben SIGMUND

.

EXPIRES END OF 2015/16:

.

Nathan BURNS

Andrew DURANTE

Alejandro GORRIN (f) (+1)

Roy KRISHNA (f)

Vince LIA

Manny MUSCAT

Matthew RIDENTON (u21)

Alex RUFER (u21)

I'd imagine Brockie is expensive as well. We got him when he was riding high and the jets had turned down a fairly lucrative transfer for him to the Chinese Superleague that would have "set him up for life", there were other teams competing for Brocks in the A-League as well.

over 11 years ago

I am quite excited about this season. We could pull a few surprises. I 

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over 11 years ago

Remember that all the Aussie pundits were picking us for the wooden spoon in 2009/10, the year we came fourth.


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over 11 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:
Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? 

A good majority of the posters here. We have a "pop-gun attack" and we're "weaker than last year", remember, because David Dome spent too much time on these Football United shenanigans (apparently).

Most of this forum have decided that 2014-15 is another bust season before a ball has been kicked.

Well a good majority of the posters here expected us to be top four in 2012-2013 with Brockie and Stein coming into the fold and finally getting rid of scape goat number one Tim Brown. And look how that ended up.

that season slutted me

it all started so well with louis' diving header at the caketin in del piero's first a-league game, then quickly went downhill

the jeronimo debacle at hindmarsh started the rot, and that was the end of ricki 

sad days but i am feeling very optimistic about this season, very optimistic indeed

over 11 years ago

paulm wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:
Who says we are one of the worse teams in the comp? 

A good majority of the posters here. We have a "pop-gun attack" and we're "weaker than last year", remember, because David Dome spent too much time on these Football United shenanigans (apparently).

Most of this forum have decided that 2014-15 is another bust season before a ball has been kicked.

Well a good majority of the posters here expected us to be top four in 2012-2013 with Brockie and Stein coming into the fold and finally getting rid of scape goat number one Tim Brown. And look how that ended up.

that season slutted me

it all started so well with louis' diving header at the caketin in del piero's first a-league game, then quickly went downhill

the jeronimo debacle at hindmarsh started the rot, and that was the end of ricki 

sad days but i am feeling very optimistic about this season, very optimistic indeed

That was back when we thought that Muscat was a midfielder. But that first game was great, pin point cross, diving header. Who would have though the season would end up like it did.

over 11 years ago

Hey if Doyle gets the contract and left back starts, do we make up a song using Lorde's tune?

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

over 11 years ago

over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Hey if Doyle gets the contract and left back starts, do we make up a song using Lorde's tune?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

over 11 years ago

I am very impressed at his commentary this afternoon, seems like its a definite career he should pursue

over 11 years ago

Mentioned during the commentary that he is trying to get his citizenship asap.

Reckon he qualifies for any special circumstances?

over 11 years ago

you'd think that's why Doyle hasn't got a contract yet. If ifills citizenship or wee macs signing falls through, Doyle will get that roster spot. 


Allegedly

over 11 years ago

I love Iffy but you'd say it's more important we get a decent left back signed up really..

a.haak

over 11 years ago

I guess if Ifill can prove that not having citizenship means he cannot get a job that he otherwise could if he does get citizenship, then he might have a case at special circumstances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

over 11 years ago

A racist football team will only let me play if I am a citizen.

over 11 years ago

Ifill wants to play for Adelaide?

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

over 11 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

I guess if Ifill can prove that not having citizenship means he cannot get a job that he otherwise could if he does get citizenship, then he might have a case at special circumstances.

Maybe he has found some receipts for donations to some political parties, that always seems to get you fast tracked.
over 11 years ago

Where's Maurice Williamson when you need him?

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

over 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

you'd think that's why Doyle hasn't got a contract yet. If ifills citizenship or wee macs signing falls through, Doyle will get that roster spot. 

2 spots left I thought. 1 for McGlinchey (when it happens) and 1 which would in theory be Doyle.

I think they are crazy not to sign Doyle. He has played bloody well.

Grumpy old bastard alert

over 11 years ago

I hope iffy gets a commentary contract, he knows football and proved that during the tour unlike the crap we currently have. De Jong etc can't even pronounce their own names properly.

yung thug

over 11 years ago

On the proviso the main commentary bloke does not ask him about his injury and hopes for the future 15 times during the course of a match.

over 11 years ago

The funny thing is that I don't really care who does our commentary as I very rarely actually listen to it. 

As it is now Dewhurst and De Jong are a pretty good reason to buy a season ticket.

over 11 years ago

Love ifill but I dont quite understand everyone saying he's a good commentator... I thought he was a little  boring and pretty one-dimensional during the games... when asked about each individual player, every summary ended with "he's done well". Not every player did well... I didn't feel we were getting a fresh opinion or any real insight at all, just the generic sort of stuff we expect from anyone.

over 11 years ago

Dont worry Paul, Harry Redknapp says everyone he sees is "A triffic lad".

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

over 11 years ago

paulm wrote:

Love ifill but I dont quite understand everyone saying he's a good commentator... I thought he was a little  boring and pretty one-dimensional during the games... when asked about each individual player, every summary ended with "he's done well". Not every player did well... I didn't feel we were getting a fresh opinion or any real insight at all, just the generic sort of stuff we expect from anyone.

I didnt want to be the first to say this lol so glad you did. I havent heard much, mainly because i didnt pay to watch a single game on PPV, but from the highlights on the internet he sounded pretty monotone and lacking in expression/emotion. Simon Hill on the other hand sounded like he was riding a roller coaster

over 11 years ago

Ifill said after the match on Wednesday that he was trying really hard to not basically cheer for the team (you can hear him celebrate in the box after the first goal), so him sounding monotonous may be a by-product of that. Will only get better over time as he gets more comfortable in the role.


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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

I agree with that. I would like to see what he's like after a few more games and a bit more experience. He seemed to be trying very hard not to say anything that someone could disagree with. 

I want to hear the real Paul Ifill.

over 11 years ago

I just like the sound of his voice. That puts him miles ahead of other a-league commentators.

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over 11 years ago

The other thing to remember is that he's mates with all the players. He is still very much part of that group. So while he has lots of interesting and insightful stuff to say about them, he's probably cautious about talking too much about his mates.

If he's not going to play, and is going to become a pundit, then over time there'll be a distance grow between him and the playing group. He'll say more on air, but they won't all be as close and the dynamic will change.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.