Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)
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"Phoenix till they lose"
A decision has been made. Terry will lose control of the club within 10 days.
From the book of St Doloras the Grumpy, 3:16: Be careful what you wish for, because the Gods will certainly grant it to you, and then laugh at your dumb ass if it goes wrong.Would it be possible - given the consensus from the FFA, NZF and Gareth Morgan that Terry is still to be regarded as a hero - for Terry to be kept on in management even if he's bought out? He has certainly run the club well, despite his crashing and burning in the rest of his wheelings and dealings. I have zero faith in the ability of Rob Morrison, Gareth Morgan or whoever is too chickensh1t to release their name to run a football club, no matter how many $$$ they throw at it. As HN keeps reminding us: Brian Katzen.
Wouldn't it be better for Terry to sell the club rather than lose it and effectively gift it to the mystery five?
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A decision has been made. Terry will lose control of the club within 10 days.
From the book of St Doloras the Grumpy, 3:16: Be careful what you wish for, because the Gods will certainly grant it to you, and then laugh at your dumb ass if it goes wrong.
Would it be possible - given the consensus from the FFA, NZF and Gareth Morgan that Terry is still to be regarded as a hero - for Terry to be kept on in management even if he's bought out? He has certainly run the club well, despite his crashing and burning in the rest of his wheelings and dealings. I have zero faith in the ability of Rob Morrison, Gareth Morgan or whoever is too chickensh1t to release their name to run a football club, no matter how many $$$ they throw at it. As HN keeps reminding us: Brian Katzen.
The way I see it is that regardess of who takes over the club, Terry will be regarded by all as a hero for starting the club. How well he will be seen at his managing of his leaving is yet to be determined, but the first part will never be taken away from him.
Terry being on any board is very nice wishful thinking, but new management generally like to sweep out and impose their own identity. They might ask those effective in the day to day running of the club to stay on, eg Nathan and Ricki, and a few more behind the scenes, and being this close to the season's start, I expect they will, but dont expect the new owners to be inviting him to continue on in any role. I imagine Nathan would jump at the chance of a secure future and same with Ricki.
I doubt that there will be a sale. It looks like if Terry cant come up with the 2M to satisfy FFA then they will relieve him of his licence and pass it on.
I'm not sure why there is such a concern about the names of the five not being public yet. I cant see that that makes any difference. It is weird that you call them "chickensh*t." They are about to put 2M up, and guarantee quite a few more, how un-chickensh*t is that !!
And as to having zero faith in their ability to manage a club, how much did Terry have on day 1 ??? They have management experience and money, and the club has a proven infrastructure and solid fan base, and a fairly good team that has proven it is competitive at this level. Way different to the Kingz situation, they are miles ahead.
Think you have got it way out of perspective there Doloras.
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A decision has been made. Terry will lose control of the club within 10 days.
From the book of St Doloras the Grumpy, 3:16: Be careful what you wish for, because the Gods will certainly grant it to you, and then laugh at your dumb ass if it goes wrong.
Would it be possible - given the consensus from the FFA, NZF and Gareth Morgan that Terry is still to be regarded as a hero - for Terry to be kept on in management even if he's bought out? He has certainly run the club well, despite his crashing and burning in the rest of his wheelings and dealings. I have zero faith in the ability of Rob Morrison, Gareth Morgan or whoever is too chickensh1t to release their name to run a football club, no matter how many $$$ they throw at it. As HN keeps reminding us: Brian Katzen.
The way I see it is that regardess of who takes over the club, Terry will be regarded by all as a hero for starting the club. How well he will be seen at his managing of his leaving is yet to be determined, but the first part will never be taken away from him.
Terry being on any board is very nice wishful thinking, but new management generally like to sweep out and impose their own identity. They might ask those effective in the day to day running of the club to stay on, eg Nathan and Ricki, and a few more behind the scenes, and being this close to the season's start, I expect they will, but dont expect the new owners to be inviting him to continue on in any role. I imagine Nathan would jump at the chance of a secure future and same with Ricki.
I doubt that there will be a sale. It looks like if Terry cant come up with the 2M to satisfy FFA then they will relieve him of his licence and pass it on.
I'm not sure why there is such a concern about the names of the five not being public yet. I cant see that that makes any difference. It is weird that you call them "chickensh*t." They are about to put 2M up, and guarantee quite a few more, how un-chickensh*t is that !!
And as to having zero faith in their ability to manage a club, how much did Terry have on day 1 ??? They have management experience and money, and the club has a proven infrastructure and solid fan base, and a fairly good team that has proven it is competitive at this level. Way different to the Kingz situation, they are miles ahead.
Think you have got it way out of perspective there Doloras.
..................and there you have it. Bang on the money I suspect.
(Sorry to mention the "M" word)
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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Hmmmm, I'm not sure I have "zero faith" in the new owners Doloras, but like Red Ged said earlier I also think having "blind faith" in their ability/intentions is questionable too.
The point is that none of us have a clue so we're all just a wishin' and a hopin'
I respect the fact that Gareth Morgan, NZF, the FFA, etc seem to be trying to play a straight bat and not pre-empt Terry's demise but we all know the wheels are turning in the background anyway. I'd prefer it if any potential new owners just came clean on who they are and what their plans for the Phoenix would be.
And as romantic a notion as it is I'd love it if there was some sort of role for Terry in any new set up. It would say an awful lot about the good intentions of all parties if they could find a way to achieve this.
terminator_x2011-09-10 19:20:19
The point is that none of us have a clue so we're all just a wishin' and a hopin'
I respect the fact that Gareth Morgan, NZF, the FFA, etc seem to be trying to play a straight bat and not pre-empt Terry's demise but we all know the wheels are turning in the background anyway. I'd prefer it if any potential new owners just came clean on who they are and what their plans for the Phoenix would be.
And as romantic a notion as it is I'd love it if there was some sort of role for Terry in any new set up. It would say an awful lot about the good intentions of all parties if they could find a way to achieve this.
terminator_x2011-09-10 19:20:19
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but during the working week, its business time, cant see it happeningWhen Terry loses the club - and he will, who could see Nathan staying on? He was very much Terry's right hand man and Terry thrust him there when Tony P left. Maybe he will stay, as there doesn't seem much of a future in the Seripisos property business, but finding a new capable GM in short time before the season starts will be a tall ask.
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Sorry HN this is where you and i differ greatly.I didnt become a supporter because TS was evolved.Yes he put the money up so what.
We might not have have been going as long as some other clubs but come on you have to joking by saying
"Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him"
Yep lets wait till things go completely tits up.Just disappointed that all we hear when YF is asked for comment is a virtual no comment.Makes you wonder who"s butt is being kissed.
We might not have have been going as long as some other clubs but come on you have to joking by saying
"Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him"
Yep lets wait till things go completely tits up.Just disappointed that all we hear when YF is asked for comment is a virtual no comment.Makes you wonder who"s butt is being kissed.
mate no ones is kissing any arse. YF was started to get behind the team at ROF, not to get involved in club politics/back office. If you want to ring up a journo and tell him you think Terry should jump ship then do that - no one is stopping you.
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Like it or not the yellow fever have became the spokesman for the supporters (even more in the off season)
Disagree. If media had to write something bad about TS, they will trust anyone saying they are a 'part' of YF. EVEN the blanket man. Besides media people frequent these forums to get thier 'as rumoured amonst YF' news. What we are doing here is simply voicing our opinions! And i dont think anyone on here will go to the media and say 'YF' is sick of Terry and 'we' want him out.
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When Terry loses the club - and he will, who could see Nathan staying on? He was very much Terry's right hand man and Terry thrust him there when Tony P left. Maybe he will stay, as there doesn't seem much of a future in the Seripisos property business, but finding a new capable GM in short time before the season starts will be a tall ask.�
This area concerns me much more than who makes up the Phoenix 5. As I said there is cAutionary tale in the Knights who appointed the wrong people to run the club despite the involvement of people with a significant body of cash.
I think Nathan has to stay as acting CEO for the immediate future as short of convincing Tony to leave Optus the lack of knowledge and experience of other options would be a hindrance.
Clearly investment in a full support staff is needed and maybe The time will come where Nathan reverts to his old role (remember that as sponsorship manager he keeps brining Sony back in plus the likes of Revera and others despite the media sh*tstorm) but right now he's done a good job in trying circumstances as far as I can see and replacing him would require an impressive candidate, not the mate of someone on the board who is chairman of Ekatahuna FC.
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I read this as "Tony P to lead Phoenix take-over bid" and was quite excited.
Royal has a point about Nathan.
Royal has a point about Nathan.
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Jonesy you always pick on me. You're such a bully.
Just as a point of order I actually hate seeing myself on tele. I'm an ugly man, and I get in trouble with my employer every time I do it. But I do it because Cakes moved to Auckland, Feverish can't speak in sentences, and Hard News can't fit a standard aspect television screen.
I understand that Frankie, JD, and Ballane are disappointed that I won't go on TV on their behalf and call for Terry to f*ck off, but I won't because WE don't think it's the right thing to say. I don't make this stuff up myself you know. News, Feverish and I keep a close eye on what is being said on here, and we talk amongst ourselves. And we are closer to it than most. From that we form a view.
If you look across the spectrum of opinion in this thread, JD, Frankie and Ballane, I think you all have to admit that you stand at one extreme: the "Terry must go" extreme. If the other extreme is "Terry is the man for the future" then I think we have trod a fair middle ground.
And, as someone has pointed out, if we're representing anyone it is only the Fever, which is not all Phoenix fans, it is a small group numbering (maybe) in the hundreds. So who cares what we think anyway.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Jonesy you always pick on me. You're such a bully.
Just as a point of order I actually hate seeing myself on tele. I'm an ugly man, and I get in trouble with my employer every time I do it. But I do it because Cakes moved to Auckland, Feverish can't speak in sentences, and Hard News can't fit a standard aspect television screen.
I understand that Frankie, JD, and Ballane are disappointed that I won't go on TV on their behalf and call for Terry to f*ck off, but I won't because WE don't think it's the right thing to say. I don't make this stuff up myself you know. News, Feverish and I keep a close eye on what is being said on here, and we talk amongst ourselves. And we are closer to it than most. From that we form a view.
If you look across the spectrum of opinion in this thread, JD, Frankie and Ballane, I think you all have to admit that you stand at one extreme: the "Terry must go" extreme. If the other extreme is "Terry is the man for the future" then I think we have trod a fair middle ground.
And, as someone has pointed out, if we're representing anyone it is only the Fever, which is not all Phoenix fans, it is a small group numbering (maybe) in the hundreds. So who cares what we think anyway.
I was voted "most likely to talk someone into harming themselves" when I was at school.
I really didn't want to seem like I was picking on you as I know how sensitive you are. You do a great job and I applaud that, but I was just responding to HN's comments that the when asked the Fever say no comment or the opinion is divided. I think that you make some pretty clear statements on what you think, and I have no problem with that being on behalf of the YF. There will always be some people who disagree with what you say, but generally you have your finger on the pulse of what the majority on here believe in.
To clear up (and I have mentioned this before) I don't think I have ever said that I want Terry out. My position has always been that for the good of the club we have to look at other alternatives, and be very open to them. It is harsh on Terry, but football is a harsh industry and there are no "jobs for life". For all the love we have for Ricki, if he starts the season playing 6 defenders, 4 midfielders and no strikers (a la Scotland vs Czech Republic), and we lose the first 10 games 4-0, we will be screaming for his head. In a similar vein, Terry is in a terrible run of form at the moment and it is impacting the team (no experienced coaches, no goal-keeping coach, etc) so I can see why some want him out. The "better the devil you know" approach is not relevant in football, otherwise no club would ever change manager.
Finally, I think that the YF organisation has two responsbilities - support the team but also to challenge the establishment to ensure that the club is moving in the right direction. I don't think that it is enough to provide chant books and organise wacky fancy-dress days, I think that YF has to be using its position to ask why Pasty's nephew is the goalkeeping coach and Greenacre is currently centre forward, centre mid, coach and marketing manager.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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I enjoyed it, so I stayed.
Wish I'd stayed longer, actually - working for a living sucks donkey's balls.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Doloras...you have been regularly slagging people off for being "negative" and "always looking at the worst scenario". Then you have the gall to say the potential new owners are "chickensh*t" for not putting their names forward and having "zero faith" in their ability to run a football club"
So what are you basing these assumptions on?
Why would anyone embarking in a new business proposal put their name out in the public arena before any deal is done? There is no reason to play this transaction out in public until a contract is signed and delivered. you know how rabid the press have been been, why put yourself in the media limelight before anything is settled. There is plenty of activity going on in the background....it will all be revealed in due course.
As for saying you have know faith in the new owners running a football club.....thats just stupid. We don't know who all these people are yet!!! The club will be run by the people appointed in senior roles....like the CEO etc. The names being banded about like the Morgans and Morrison are very succesful experianced Wellington businessmen. Their ownership will enhance the brand.....they will bring in the advantage of all their business contacts. this will provide potentially more sponsorship, more revenue oportunities for the Nix. IMO this will have a lot of positives for the club. Believe me Terry has burnt a lot of bridges, business wise.
I suggest you engage your brain before considering making further posts!!!
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Doloras...you have been regularly slagging people off for being "negative" and "always looking at the worst scenario". Then you have the gall to say the potential new owners are "chickensh*t" for not putting their names forward and having "zero faith" in their ability to run a football club"
So what are you basing these assumptions on?
Why would anyone embarking in a new business proposal put their name out in the public arena before any deal is done? There is no reason to play this transaction out in public until a contract is signed and delivered. you know how rabid the press have been been, why put yourself in the media limelight before anything is settled. There is plenty of activity going on in the background....it will all be revealed in due course.
As for saying you have know faith in the new owners running a football club.....thats just stupid. We don't know who all these people are yet!!! The club will be run by the people appointed in senior roles....like the CEO etc. The names being banded about like the Morgans and Morrison are very succesful experianced Wellington businessmen. Their ownership will enhance the brand.....they will bring in the advantage of all their business contacts. this will provide potentially more sponsorship, more revenue oportunities for the Nix. IMO this will have a lot of positives for the club. Believe me Terry has burnt a lot of bridges, business wise.
I suggest you engage your brain before considering making further posts!!!
Huge amount of naivety from a load of people on here who clearly have never been involved in a commercial or business transaction of this sort.
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I wouldn't think so. It's the Dom.
As for the previous debate, I'd like to see the names and what they have in mind. Part of me wants to see stability in whatever form but I'm nervous about the people who may be connected to the moneymen and advising them.
As for the previous debate, I'd like to see the names and what they have in mind. Part of me wants to see stability in whatever form but I'm nervous about the people who may be connected to the moneymen and advising them.
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I wouldn't think so. It's the Dom.
As for the previous debate, I'd like to see the names and what they have in mind. Part of me wants to see stability in whatever form but I'm nervous about the people who may be connected to the moneymen and advising them.
As for the previous debate, I'd like to see the names and what they have in mind. Part of me wants to see stability in whatever form but I'm nervous about the people who may be connected to the moneymen and advising them.
People such as? If that information is put out there we as fans can be a part of that judgement.
Does anyone know if there actually are 2 groups actively involved?
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As for the previous debate, I'd like to see the names and what they have in mind. Part of me wants to see stability in whatever form but I'm nervous about the people who may be connected to the moneymen and advising them.
I can't quite comprehend those saying that any alternative to Terry is better either.
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My issue is that because I can't see any way that Terry will emerge with any real money and a viable business, I truly can't see how he can carry on. Things are not going to get any better, there is not the money available to pay a proper staff, Terry is not suddenyl going to come up with a load of wedge. He owes over $200m
I genuinely don't see how it could get any better for him within the next 5 years - I really can't see how him remaining as the owner of the club is in any way viable. He just doesn't have any money which is what the club clearly needs
I just think we have no get new owners. It's fine to be a bit picky but in the end we need someone don't we?
james dean2011-09-12 23:45:13Normo's coming home
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but how do we know a new owner won't take it up to Akld for example, like a Giltrap? I agree with News in that I wouldn't follow just anyone.
Well of course that's where the fans come in - but people have argued a lot that the owner can do what he likes with the club which I disagree with, and this type of example is exactly why.
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To add to that I think the real danger is someone keeping the club in wellington but playing "home" games in Dunedin, Chch, and Auckland say a couple of times a year so you only get 7 or 8 home games. I think that is something that should be strongly resisted
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but how do we know a new owner won't take it up to Akld for example, like a Giltrap? I agree with News in that I wouldn't follow just anyone.
im sure the guy who said the club was going to auckland is the same guy who broke the p 5 story.
conspiracy anyone???
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To add to that I think�the real danger is someone keeping the club in wellington but playing "home" games in Dunedin, Chch, and Auckland say a couple of times a year so you only get 7 or 8 home games.� I think that is something that should be strongly resisted
then it will be the same people trying to get rid of terry at any cost demanding a new owner....
but a very good point that many people probably havent thought of at alldetoxin2011-09-13 00:01:14
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but how do we know a new owner won't take it up to Akld for example, like a Giltrap? I agree with News in that I wouldn't follow just anyone.
Well of course that's where the fans come in - but people have argued a lot that the owner can do what he likes with the club which I disagree with, and this type of example is exactly why.
the owner CAN do whatever what he wants with the club. For example I could turn YF into a knitting club tomorrow, or sell it to an online porn company, or shut it down. Theres fk all anyone could do about it apart from Frankie Mac making a few grumpy tweets. Much like if some new owner wanted to take the club out of Wgtn there is fk all us Welli fans could do. Only an example, but its a reason why people on here should be a bit more cautious with their wishes.
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