Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)
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Companies office confirms this.
"Robert William Bentley MORRISON"
I wonder if his parents wanted a flash car but couldn't afford it???
All good until you need to reverse park with the trailer on Grandadi...
Can Ferraris go backwards then?
Oh of course they can. They're Italian.
Slight problem however: I am an Asian driver...
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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Companies office confirms this.
"Robert William Bentley MORRISON"
I wonder if his parents wanted a flash car but couldn't afford it???
All good until you need to reverse park with the trailer on Grandadi...
Can Ferraris go backwards then?
Oh of course they can. They're Italian.
I laughed for at least a minute.
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Wonder what changes we'll see when the phoenix 5 come in.
Better Marketing etc?
Better Marketing etc?
If you automatically assume the new owners will be better at it than Terry, then that's a classic case of "rose tinted glasses" right there. .
Looking at the state of the club right now that's a very safe assumption.
That dompost story is a joke. I know I've defended them in the past, but it is borderline incomprehensible. Are they saying there are 2 consortium based purely on the fact that Morgan says so? Or do they actually have information on who the two consortia are - and are they both speaking to the FFA and NZF or not? Really sh*t reporting
Normo's coming home
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Wonder what changes we'll see when the phoenix 5 come in.
Better Marketing etc?
Better Marketing etc?
If you automatically assume the new owners will be better at it than Terry, then that's a classic case of "rose tinted glasses" right there. .
Looking at the state of the club right now that's a very safe assumption.
That dompost story is a joke. I know I've defended them in the past, but it is borderline incomprehensible. Are they saying there are 2 consortium based purely on the fact that Morgan says so? Or do they actually have information on who the two consortia are - and are they both speaking to the FFA and NZF or not? Really sh*t reporting
Welcome to the dark side, JD!
"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009
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I find it somewhat strange there are two different consortiums. Would it not be cheaper for them to all work together? Is there some reason some of them will not work with others? Do they have different vision for the club? Still, at least it shows there is enough interest in what Terry has founded to assure us it will continue which can only be good news.
If one of those rival consortia is who I think they are, I wouldn't let them clean my boots, let alone take care of the Nix.
Come on El Grap - spill the beans. No-one is going to care if the rumour proves incorrect, we all know they are just rumours
Normo's coming home
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Wonder what changes we'll see when the phoenix 5 come in.
Better Marketing etc?
Better Marketing etc?
If you automatically assume the new owners will be better at it than Terry, then that's a classic case of "rose tinted glasses" right there. .
Looking at the state of the club right now that's a very safe assumption.
Any marketing would be better than no marketing.
Still, I take Doloras point that we can't just assume it will all be sweetness and light with new owners. How would we feel if new owners came in and hiked ticket prices by 50% for instance?
With the reports today of rival consortia and maybe even some dodgy characters being involved, a few people seem to be realising it isn't just about having the cash, we need "fit and proper" owners.
Maybe we should form a Dragon's Den style of fans evaluation panel that rival consortia have to make presentations to. I will volunteer to be on the panel but for legal reasons I will have to wear a balaclava and disguise my voice using auto-tune.
terminator_x2011-09-09 22:21:11
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TX - if you were on the dragons den panel evaluating September 2011 version Terry would you class him a fit and proper person though? I agree the process needs to be handled sensitively - the more inforamtion we can get the better. This is something that the fans should stay informed on, and be a part of!
Normo's coming home
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10750638
I feel really sad for Terry, I can't imagine what this whole thing is like for him or his family. I bet he hasn't read a newspaper for a long time.
I feel really sad for Terry, I can't imagine what this whole thing is like for him or his family. I bet he hasn't read a newspaper for a long time.
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Anyone doing a tab ....
Who will be the owner in six months..
a] Terry
B] The gang of Five
C] The magnificent Seven
How many days has Terry left?
What day will it be announced ..
Monday 10 to 1... Tuesday 5 to 1... and so on..
Who will be the owner in six months..
a] Terry
B] The gang of Five
C] The magnificent Seven
How many days has Terry left?
What day will it be announced ..
Monday 10 to 1... Tuesday 5 to 1... and so on..
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
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Getting thoroughly sick of all this BS.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Am i thankful that TS was the founding owner of the WELLINGTON PHOENIX you bet
Am i thankful for all the money he put in you bet
Did i buy into the Phoenix hype because it was TS that put money in.NO
I got hooked because of the idea that WELLINGTON had a professional football team and the chance to be in at the start was to good to miss.
Yes YF has been a massive part of this but there are also many others who have enjoyed the Phoenix without becoming involved.
It really has seemed at times that some of the YF media whores have been to scared to say something that may offend.
We may have over 7000 members but may be its time the membership was asked what they think about things before comment is made.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Am i thankful that TS was the founding owner of the WELLINGTON PHOENIX you bet
Am i thankful for all the money he put in you bet
Did i buy into the Phoenix hype because it was TS that put money in.NO
I got hooked because of the idea that WELLINGTON had a professional football team and the chance to be in at the start was to good to miss.
Yes YF has been a massive part of this but there are also many others who have enjoyed the Phoenix without becoming involved.
It really has seemed at times that some of the YF media whores have been to scared to say something that may offend.
We may have over 7000 members but may be its time the membership was asked what they think about things before comment is made.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Why?
Generally when the media want to talk to us we offer a no comment, very occasionally we mention that opinion among the fan base is split.
I have seen nothing where we have blindly painted the situation as rosey which some people seem to suggest is the case, nor do we generally suggest the position we take is representative of the fan base in general.Hard News2011-09-10 00:02:54
Generally when the media want to talk to us we offer a no comment, very occasionally we mention that opinion among the fan base is split.
I have seen nothing where we have blindly painted the situation as rosey which some people seem to suggest is the case, nor do we generally suggest the position we take is representative of the fan base in general.Hard News2011-09-10 00:02:54
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Incidentally, Playing Devil's advocate, what would be wrong with saying Terry deserves a chance to sort it out?
It's what John Morrison has said, It's what Gareth Morgan has said, it's what the FFA have said. Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him if the key decision makers and his potential replacements are?Hard News2011-09-10 00:07:59
It's what John Morrison has said, It's what Gareth Morgan has said, it's what the FFA have said. Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him if the key decision makers and his potential replacements are?Hard News2011-09-10 00:07:59
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Is it TS we are meant to be supporting or the Wellington Phoenix,it seems at times that things have become a little hazy.
Dont really give a shyte who takes over.If they have the money and are prepared to keep us alive so bloody what.As long as they dont kill babies or Nighthawks should we really be worried .As long as they have the money.
All that should matter is lots of shirts off at the stadium.
Dont really give a shyte who takes over.If they have the money and are prepared to keep us alive so bloody what.As long as they dont kill babies or Nighthawks should we really be worried .As long as they have the money.
All that should matter is lots of shirts off at the stadium.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I'm just going to put it out there but would it really be goof if (as an example) Sky TV bought the club and put an anachronism like Kevin Fallon in charge who alienated the players and the supporters?
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
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Sorry HN this is where you and i differ greatly.I didnt become a supporter because TS was evolved.Yes he put the money up so what.
We might not have have been going as long as some other clubs but come on you have to joking by saying
"Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him"
Yep lets wait till things go completely tits up.Just disappointed that all we hear when YF is asked for comment is a virtual no comment.Makes you wonder who"s butt is being kissed.
We might not have have been going as long as some other clubs but come on you have to joking by saying
"Why shouldn't the supporters of his club (which it is) stand by him"
Yep lets wait till things go completely tits up.Just disappointed that all we hear when YF is asked for comment is a virtual no comment.Makes you wonder who"s butt is being kissed.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I'm just going to put it out there but would it really be goof if (as an example) Sky TV bought the club and put an anachronism like Kevin Fallon in charge who alienated the players and the supporters?
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
FK it thats it hands in the air i give up.Just let the demons take over they cant be worse that TS.How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Disagree ballane. Yellow Fever has a huge amount of respect around as a great supporters club, without needing to get involved in a public spat about the current off the field stuff.
Yellow Fever going out to the media against our current owner would be a huge risk, especially as we're only just finding out about what any other option away from Terry may be.
And "virtual no comment" DOES NOT equate to butt being kissed. Not even close.
The point is, as a supporters group, Yellow Fever should in the public eye be a positive group who are about supporting the Phoenix, not getting involved in ownership battles unless really, really necessary.
There is probably a point that it would make sense for Yellow Fever to speak out as you seem to want, but I really don't see that the club is at that point. In my opinion, the 'consortium' ownership is looking very desirable. I think we'll see that come through without Yellow Fever having to risk taking sides.Colvinator2011-09-10 01:40:53
Yellow Fever going out to the media against our current owner would be a huge risk, especially as we're only just finding out about what any other option away from Terry may be.
And "virtual no comment" DOES NOT equate to butt being kissed. Not even close.
The point is, as a supporters group, Yellow Fever should in the public eye be a positive group who are about supporting the Phoenix, not getting involved in ownership battles unless really, really necessary.
There is probably a point that it would make sense for Yellow Fever to speak out as you seem to want, but I really don't see that the club is at that point. In my opinion, the 'consortium' ownership is looking very desirable. I think we'll see that come through without Yellow Fever having to risk taking sides.Colvinator2011-09-10 01:40:53
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I'm just going to put it out there but would it really be goof if (as an example) Sky TV bought the club and put an anachronism like Kevin Fallon in charge who alienated the players and the supporters?
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
Sorry Dave I call bullsh*t on this one.
The owner we have right now is the one who is goofing. Look at where we are at 4 weeks out - it's an absolute mess (where is that Goal Keeping coach by the way?).
Forget the devil we don't know, it's the devil who we have right now who is causing all of the problems.
Normo's coming home
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Why?
Generally when the media want to talk to us we offer a no comment, very occasionally we mention that opinion among the fan base is split.
I have seen nothing where we have blindly painted the situation as rosey which some people seem to suggest is the case, nor do we generally suggest the position we take is representative of the fan base in general.[/QUOTE]
Generally when the media want to talk to us we offer a no comment, very occasionally we mention that opinion among the fan base is split.
I have seen nothing where we have blindly painted the situation as rosey which some people seem to suggest is the case, nor do we generally suggest the position we take is representative of the fan base in general.[/QUOTE]
This is from a post by Smithy a few days ago:
The unofficial official YF line to date has been that we support Terry's efforts with the club, are grateful for his work to date, and that we stand shoulder to shoulder with him. I think this is still valid.
Let's ignore if people taking quotes from people off this site is right or not, that is a pretty big statement either on behalf of the YF organisation, or the YF Executive. And (sorry to bring this up again Smithy because it is dragging up old news) but that follows on from the comments on behalf of YF about how it was good for Rojas to go to a big club.Once you have been a spokesperson for the organisation a number of times on the radio or tv, you have to accept that alot of what you say is on behalf of the organisation.
As to where YF has painted the situation as rosey, not quite the same but Smithy has also openly questioned the comments from Morrison to the point where he has basically accused him of making the whole thing up to get on the front page:
[QUOTE=Smithy]
People very close to the heart of this tell me that those people exist and have money, but I won't put my tick in the box of a mysterious consortium fronted obliquely by John Morrison, who may have made it all up in his head to get on the front page (again) and John Dow, who probably wants a payday from it.
I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect these folks to actually come forward before I jump on their bandwagon. I also don't accept any of the trifling pseudo-justifications for why they haven't.
...I think it is rendered irrelevant by the non-existence of any alternative to Terry other than the possibly-fictitious Morrison 5.
Sorry if it seems like this is picking on Smithy as I think that he does a great job.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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^^^ Not sure if that actually says what I am trying to, but I guess that I am trying to say that certain people on here do speak on behalf of YF - you cannoy claim that isn't the case when it suits you.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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As for those first quotes Frankie, there is surely a difference between posts on here by people trying to be honest to all of us of what they think, than what is actually said to media organisations. If we were seeing Yellow Fever making contradictory quotes to actual media organisations, it'd be more concerning. I see your point, and the difference of views, but don't see them as an issue.
As for the last quote from Smithy, I'd say he was being overly negative to John Morrison. Well, there was no evidence at the time of a Mystery Morrison 5. It is pretty easy to be skeptical about politicians claims. Personally, I never saw John Morrison as a liar and thought he must have had something going on. I disagreed there, but I can see why people'd think that, even if they weren't 'Terry chums'.
The overall point here is though, I think the official response from the Yellow Fever to the media about all this stuff has been exactly what we should want (not much).
As for the last quote from Smithy, I'd say he was being overly negative to John Morrison. Well, there was no evidence at the time of a Mystery Morrison 5. It is pretty easy to be skeptical about politicians claims. Personally, I never saw John Morrison as a liar and thought he must have had something going on. I disagreed there, but I can see why people'd think that, even if they weren't 'Terry chums'.
The overall point here is though, I think the official response from the Yellow Fever to the media about all this stuff has been exactly what we should want (not much).
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Terry was at Mishmosh Wed night and all I pick up in the conversation with a young suited man was the words of a not happy man about a 2 million dollar figure. And the name John Morrison. Lets hope the 5 don't create a reason for Terry to let the nix fall.
Who owns the trade marks for the nix as related to football?
Blew.22011-09-10 10:02:05Supporter For Ever - Keep The Faith - Foundation Member - Never Lets FAX Get In The Way Of A Good Yarn
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I'm just going to put it out there but would it really be goof if (as an example) Sky TV bought the club and put an anachronism like Kevin Fallon in charge who alienated the players and the supporters?
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
How about a new CEO who is out of his depth and got the job only because his mate bought the club.
For all Terry's flaws we know he comes with Ricki and Nathan who do a good job considering the restraints.
Ideally we'll have a new group who are practical, take advice and understand the situation but the wrong people are how the Kingz and Knights ended up as bywords for Auckland football being a disaster.
Sorry Dave I call bullsh*t on this one.
The owner we have right now is the one who is goofing. Look at where we are at 4 weeks out - it's an absolute mess (where is that Goal Keeping coach by the way?).
Forget the devil we don't know, it's the devil who we have right now who is causing all of the problems.
Dave is in the right on this one JD and you're on your hobby horse.
Terry is not "goofing", as you put it. He is fully involved in a financial conflagration threatening to raze his wealth,fortune and, most disasterously,his and our beloved Nix.
Rightly (or wrongly, as you see it) he doesn't want to let go.In a few days he may have no choice.The due process in place will sort itout one way or another
The Management team in place were fine before the money was an issue. This we know.
Who the hell are the Phoenix Five? Who are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalype? The Seven Samurai? What are they actually bringing to the Nix table?
Blindly supporting these unknowns is mercenary, disrespectful and above all disloyal.For what he brought to Wellington we owe him, end of story.....in my opinion.
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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We may have over 7000 members but may be its time the membership was asked what they think about things before comment is made.
Just a couple of points:
YF doesn't have any members, it's just an internet discussion forum. This isn't a club, there's no constitution, nobody paid a membership fee, there's no committee to sack if you don't like what they're doing. As such, the idea of anyone speaking "on behalf of YF" is nonsense.
There are nowhere near 7,000 active contributors to this forum. The vast majority of registered users have either never made a post or haven't posted for a long time. That means the majority of Phoenix regulars have nothing to do with YF.
That said, I greatly appreciate the work the moderators and the self-described "YF executive" do providing this website and the associated YF activities. In no way would I want to restrict their ability to talk to the media and express their own opinion or even pass comment on the general flavour of opinion flowing through this online space. I just think the idea of a "YF spokesperson" is a bit cheeky. Greater clarity about that in the future would be nice but in the grand scheme of things I'm not losing any sleep over it.
If people really think it's worth discussing maybe another thread would be more appropriate?
terminator_x2011-09-10 19:00:06
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We may have over 7000 members but may be its time the membership was asked what they think about things before comment is made.
Just a couple of points:
YF doesn't have any members, it's just an internet discussion forum. This isn't a club, there's no constitution, nobody paid a membership fee, there's no committee to sack if you don't like what they're doing. As such, the idea of anyone speaking "on behalf of YF" is nonsense.
There are nowhere near 7,000 active contributors to this forum. The vast majority of registered users have either never made a post or haven't posted for a long time. That means the majority of Phoenix regulars have nothing to do YF.
That said, I greatly appreciate the work the moderators and the self-described "YF executive" do providing this website and the associated YF activities. In no way would I want to restrict their ability to talk to the media and express their own opinion or even pass comment on the general flavour of opinion flowing through this online space. I just think the idea of a "YF spokesperson" is a bit cheeky. Greater clarity about that in the future would be nice but in the grand scheme of things I'm not losing any sleep over it.
If people really think it's worth discussing maybe another thread would be more appropriate?
Many of those that do, shouldn't have?
Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........
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TX - if you were on the dragons den panel evaluating September 2011 version Terry would you class him a fit and proper person though? I agree the process needs to be handled sensitively - the more inforamtion we can get the better. This is something that the fans should stay informed on, and be a part of!
Everyone has their ups and downs JD, but of course Terry is a fit and proper person to own the Nix. He is the very definition of it, having launched the club and run it for the last 4 years very successfully. His problem right now is that it seems he just doesn't have the cash to do it (please have a secret Swiss bank account Terry, pleeeeease!).
The bottom line for the fans is that beggars can't be choosers but this discussion got really interesting when it was suggested that there was more than one consortium out there and potentially some people involved who might not be considered "fit and proper". So maybe we do have some choices? And if so, how can the fans have a say in that? Do we simply trust the FFA to do it for us?
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We may have over 7000 members but may be its time the membership was asked what they think about things before comment is made.
Just a couple of points:
YF doesn't have any members, it's just an internet discussion forum. This isn't a club, there's no constitution, nobody paid a membership fee, there's no committee to sack if you don't like what they're doing. As such, the idea of anyone speaking "on behalf of YF" is nonsense.
There are nowhere near 7,000 active contributors to this forum. The vast majority of registered users have either never made a post or haven't posted for a long time. That means the majority of Phoenix regulars have nothing to do YF.
That said, I greatly appreciate the work the moderators and the self-described "YF executive" do providing this website and the associated YF activities. In no way would I want to restrict their ability to talk to the media and express their own opinion or even pass comment on the general flavour of opinion flowing through this online space. I just think the idea of a "YF spokesperson" is a bit cheeky. Greater clarity about that in the future would be nice but in the grand scheme of things I'm not losing any sleep over it.
If people really think it's worth discussing maybe another thread would be more appropriate?
Good Post.
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A decision has been made. Terry will lose control of the club within 10 days.
From the book of St Doloras the Grumpy, 3:16: Be careful what you wish for, because the Gods will certainly grant it to you, and then laugh at your dumb ass if it goes wrong.
Would it be possible - given the consensus from the FFA, NZF and Gareth Morgan that Terry is still to be regarded as a hero - for Terry to be kept on in management even if he's bought out? He has certainly run the club well, despite his crashing and burning in the rest of his wheelings and dealings. I have zero faith in the ability of Rob Morrison, Gareth Morgan or whoever is too chickensh1t to release their name to run a football club, no matter how many $$$ they throw at it. As HN keeps reminding us: Brian Katzen.
Doloras2011-09-10 15:36:09
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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Personally I don't have a problem with Smithy or Hard News being identified as spokespersons for YF, whether I agree with what they have to say or not. I'm presuming that I am a member of YF by virtue of the fact that I am a member of this site, used to have an ID card etc but I don't pay for that priviledge. These guys have done [and continue to do] a hell of a lot that makes my Phoenix experience a good one and they deserve to be given that 'spokesperson' title. I haven't heard them say anything that they haven't already voiced on thes epages so they are not being sneaky or appear to have any hidden agenda. I'm not that sure that what they said was different to what the majority of posters on here say anyway. If I [or anyone else] was so hellbent on wanting what I think broadcast then I'd start up my own supporters club. I'm not going to lose too much sleep because Smithy has publicly called for caution and continued support for Terry, I could always stop coming to this site and stop calling myself a part of YF.
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