Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

Let's draw breath for a minute, and look at the facts (if you're good I'll give you a Prediction!).

Terry is undoubtedly in a world of sh*te financially. He's been fire brigading around just trying to remain solvent. One of his greatest mates, a man with an international footballing reputation, a man who has shown unswerving loyalty to him, is now pursuing Terry in Court for moneys owed. That friendship/loyalty has had the last hammer driven into the coffin- there is NEVER a way back from this, i.e. taking a friend and colleague to Court. The team is largely muddling along, and somehow the few remaining staff appear to be still getting paid.

As I said before, we owe a debt of gratitude to Terry for all that he has done. He must now step aside before the whole club disintegrates under an enormous pile of rubble. He should do this very soon.

Not only this, but it will allow him to concentrate on salvaging anything left from his business dealings, without having to worry about the Club and losing whatever remaining friends and loyalty he retains for staff and fans.

I wish you well Terry.

Off you go........

THE Prediction will follow shortly..........

Has this actually been confirmed or is it just pure speculation?

Nothing in the articles I have read confirm anything (as usual!)

pure speculation, so far!

So nothings changed then...

There have been some very well reasoned posts on this thread , some not so.

DAMN YOU SMITHY! How come your names catch on and not mine?

Rob morrison wont have any money if the KB profits are anything to go buy, NZPost Group is losing money hand over fist - he'd be no better than Terry to help the nix.

Having read alll the comments in JD's now locked thread and this one I would like to make a few observations:

Is he a share holder there ?? He is chairman of the board of Kiwibank, that is all as far as I know. It will be his private money that goes in and he is one fifth of the 5, reportedly only needs 400,000.

Realise you dont like the prospect but lets not put false info up. Wer'e not the Dom Post you know

$400,000 a year for five years...

Thats assuming a loss for 5 years ??

The original article stated 400 each for 2 years. Maybe by then things will have turned around...

The article I read suggested funding of $2 million a year for 5 years... there is a little part of me that has got a niggling false dawn feeling about it though.

NBR and Dominion Post have to be the frontrunners for Troll of the year! the amount of angst and supposition they have casued about Terry and the nix is unreal - sure some of it has been almost on the mark. If people wanted to see Terry bankrupted he would have been months ago, bankruptcy wont happen, it's not in his debtors interests, a sale of assets - sure, but nothing super fast, and who knows during the next few years the property market booms again and Terry is back on top.

Makes you wonder if it wasn't in someone's interests to keep all that destablising negativity in the front of peoples' minds.

I know various people who opted for 2 rugby world cup games over a season pass because of this Terry stuff, I myself haven't got a pass yet on this factor. I will be getting one, and many now that I've been an attendee to every home game. Something needs to be done asap.

If the NBR is right and Ricki has lost patience, then perhaps it will have been because he has decided "enough is enough", and believes that now it's time for the coach to fire the owner. If. If Dave Burgess and John Morrison had an actual agenda to force Terry to give up the Nix, I can't imagine they would have acted any differently than they have.

One could read the recent lineup of creditors as the equivalent of a "run on the banks". A loss in customer confidence becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. One can argue about whether it could have been avoided, but it can't be wished away once it happens. So whether it was inevitable or not, we may well have reached the point of no return and the Nix will have new owners before season start. But we shall all see.
Doloras2011-09-07 10:55:25

 

Can we please, please(!) not get into conspiracy theories. I know this is an internet forum, but everyone has gone on previously about needing ample evidence and no-one has a shred on this. On a related note, I have said it before, but why all the hate for John Morrison? Surely devising a back up plan of investors is a good thing? Or would you have preferred that everyone at WCC had sat back and rode it out like us, hoping and praying that TS made it through. Has he used it as a chance to get a bit of publicity? Sure. But how does that make what he's done evil?

Red Badge, if I recall correctly.

It's not "conspiracy theory" or "hatred" to suggest that many people in Wellington don't like Terry S for whatever (maybe good) reason, are very keen to get him out of the Phoenix, and would have made the most of his financial crisis. Many people here have been saying for months that enough was enough and the sooner Terry could be persuaded to give up, the better - I don't think it's paranoid to suggest that certain members of the press and City Councillors agree and would have an interest in increasing the amount of fear, uncertainty and doubt about Century City in the media and among creditors.

To suggest that people have an agenda doesn't mean it's a bad one. If you agree that Terry S should have probably given up the Nix when the IRD came for him at the beginning of this year, then if Dave Burgess, John Morrison, Matt Nippert and (?) Rob Morrison have been managing media coverage to maximise the discomfort of Terry's creditors, then they are heroes.

Youre not right there, it is obvious. Personally I am pleased that there has been an alternative shown to us fans. Even FFA acknowledged that there has been action. Whether it goes the full nine yards is yet to be seen, I am hopeful though. Dont like the other option

Hope.  You realise that is a balanced view, not rabidly positive? Hard News2011-09-07 11:20:30

You're right that there's no logical reason for Terry's financial crisis to mean not buying a Nix season ticket. But that's what people do anyway because they don't think rationally. They think in simplistic categories of "good-bad", and if something has a "bad smell" about it in the media they will avoid it like deer avoid the smell of a hunter. And I do think that if there were people who wanted Terry out of the Nix, this would be the kind of reaction they'd be banking on.

There is no shame in having hoped for the best and it didn't arrive. JD keeps saying how wrong I've been, and there's no shame in that, either.

Alright, here we go.......

THE Predictions of All Predictions...........

If I am wrong on this (and it's a triple to boot) I will personally sever all eight of my limbs and eat them.
Or even start watching Coronation Street.
Or Rugby Union


1) Terry will not own the Phoenix inside of the next twelve months,

2) Me and mine (Imsh'Allah re. health and personal longevity) will still be going to the RoF to watch the Phoenix in ten years time,

3) We are going to have a massive season.

This is NOT your ordinary speculation. This is heartland Predicition territory.

Remember......


We are the Mighty Phoenix! We can survive Anything!

Fair enough. I take those points. It just seemed to me that people were automatically lumping JM in the same boat as Burgess, Nippert etc (i.e. trying to chop down Terry) whereas I just don't see it that way. They would have written articles regardless of what any councillors thought. But of course, that's just the way I've been reading it.

Oh, and btw the class shown by both Ricki, and all the players, for not commenting publicly, but allowing things to take their course out of the media etc, is really to be commended.

To be fair, JD has a point that sometimes I've gotten carried away trying to be sceptical about negative stories and rumours, and personalised the debate by attempting amateur psychoanalysis on those who take the opposite view. That doesn't help anyone and I should be apologetic about that.

I'm not apologetic, though, about retaining the right to disbelieve anonymous stories and rumours. For example, I don't consider it settled that Ricki really is suing Terry and will not do so until one or both of them confirm it. I don't disbelieve it, but it's not a fact in my eyes yet.Doloras2011-09-07 12:03:58

I'm beginning to love you again Doloras.....

Actually, there is a valid reason to not buy a season ticket - yet.

Perhaps some are not wanting to prop up the current regime?

(My unchanged view for the last 6 months is that the longer Terry drags this out, the worse it is for the club.)

FFA wont prop up the club whatsoever it has already been stated that NZF has to do this are tey in a position to run the club? remembering the factions that are within NZF and them thinking the NZ football world revolves around Auckland so they wont keep them in Wellington beyond this year

Sorry, got to amend my Prediction a bit.

Obviously I can't cut off all eight limbs- the last one I would have to gnaw to a stump.

Now that is the only way in which fan power could actually make itself felt. I am reminded of the fans' boycott of Hellas Verona in the middle of the last decade until their owner left. However, the words "cutting nose off to spite face" leap to mind. Is it worth wrecking the 2011-12 season to get rid of Terry before we are sure that there is a qualified replacement waiting in the wings?