Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

As I will keep saying until I'm blue in the face, thank goodness Dani Sanchez and Lucas Pantelis seem to have low standards (or, because they want to play for us, must actually suck).

You want a list of players who have left Deloras / players who came on trial and have left ??

The list of those who came on trial and left that the Phoenix wished to sign:

Bran....What about players who have left from last year?

We have no idea if Bran left of his own accord, if he's gone home to pack for a move to Wellington or if the club decided they need more experience.

This got me thinking - about a 30 min TV programme vs full length films so I wiki'd this about "Help!":

No saying there isn't.... what I am saying though If you were looking to uproot your family, change jobs, relocate to a different country to do so, would you feel comfortable doing so with constant rumours about wages not being paid by your prospective employer.

The circular argument never ends.

PRIMA: "The Nix can't recruit because of Terry's money worries."
SECUNDA: "The Nix has recruited Pantelis, Satellite, etc"
PRIMA (pick one): (a) "They suck."
(b) "They don't know about the money worries, for they have been living in a cave, on Mars, with their fingers in their ears."
(c) "People have left the Nix, and they certainly wouldn't have done that if the wage situation was more regular."

(That last one is particularly funny. You get the people who a year ago were calling D-Mac a donkey crying that his leaving proves we're screwed, when it may well have been due to Ricki deciding that he was a donkey.)

Still, I am looking forward to seeing where the remaining players come from. I wonder that if Ricki signs Chettleburgh and perhaps two other Junior All Whites, that will shut the knitting circlers up (or perhaps even be a quid pro quo for NZF underwriting the Nix?!?)Doloras2011-09-15 16:27:02

Junior, are you forgetting that the Monkees also made a feature film - Head? It's quite good actually (4/5 on Amazon.com). What really sets them apart from The Beatles is that they made 58 episodes of their TV series, and even won an Emmy award for Outstanding Comedy Series in 1967.  terminator_x2011-09-15 16:33:18

Also, Frank Zappa was in it.

Awww, who put the depressing thread title back.

Hingert

The operative phrase above is "that the Nix wanted to sign". Do you have inside info that we wanted Hingert and he turned us down? Or is that an assumption, like "Perth signed Mehmet so we must have wanted him, it's not that the LOLry ever get things wrong"?Doloras2011-09-15 17:04:28

A little too simplified?

Surely the argument would be the quality of recruitment (knowing we need 3 more players to meet minimum squad size and who knows the awesome we could sign. And I am reasonably happy with our recruits BTW). Saying that we have signed players is like saying we have signed ~40 players on minimum wage, so since we signed 40 players we must be far from financial difficulty.

I think there has been some 'coveting they neighbours Kewell/Emo etc....' going on.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5241721/Roar-scupper-the-Phoenix-to-sign-Jack-Hingert

And I think with Mehmet we may have put all our eggs into the Rigters basket.Bullion2011-09-15 17:36:49

....or maybe they are not that good either...How we have kept any players and the coach is a bonus........roll on Monday

Yip we definitely wanted hingert. Remember a news interview with RH saying he was what he as looking for, but Hingert was considering other options as well. I remember the phrase "If we get him, we get him"

Low standards  Hey That's the Wellington Phoenix you're talking about, you might have a issue with the owners and the financial plight we're in.But don't talk like that about the team. they're ones we really support at the end of the day,they give more than enough of themselves on and off the field to warrant that support. You can criticise for poor performances, but don't ever say players lower themselves to play for us.
giddyup2011-09-15 19:31:24

Turn your sarcasm monitor on!

*BIG winky emoticon*

No I don't want too 

Junior822011-09-15 19:44:10

I never read all the posts, but that just bugged me.I can see if i'd read about 2000 posts before, i'dve seen it as sarcasm, as such i apologise.

This Hole that we are in has really soured relations between certain YF members

Turn your troll button off!
*frowny emoticon*

I tell you, the instant the club's ownership changes hands, that's when I change from Rose-Tinted Glasses Lady to WE'RE DOOMED UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE. I hope that will be a refreshing change for you all.

Remember when you used to tell us that hoping for new owners was the same as waiting for the WGA loan to arrive?

Perhaps I should have mentioned "competent new owners who're not going to micromanage the team to death, Murray McCully style".

It's just an example. Nothing these guys have done yet has given me any hope that they actually know what it takes to run a successful football team. If money was all it took then GCU would own this league. I am open-minded and will happily admit if and when I am proven wrong, but I don't change my opinions until they've been forcibly knocked out of my head by the breezeblock of evidence.

Owners don't run a football team - that is the route to all sorts of problems.  You appoint a CEO to run it off the pitch and a coach or director of football or whatever to run the football side.  Then you have a board that oversees it all  The owners may have an involvement in the commercial operation because of their experience, maybe help with sponsors and sponsorship, but they don't need to run the club. james dean2011-09-15 21:20:55

Glad you used that word instead of 'and'.

True all of the above. I certainly don't think Terry's a football genius, but he has shown the knack of (when he could afford it) hiring the right people. So the test question for me is: are they going to start by firing Nathan G, and if so, who will they replace him with? I'm not sure how Nix corporate structure works - could they sack Ricki directly or would only the CEO be able to do that?

To put my worries more clearly, I am terrified that these people have no actual clue about what they should do and have thus been listening to Billy Harris / the ACFC Knitting Circle / (fill in the blank with NZ footballing numpty of your choice).
Doloras2011-09-15 21:24:20

CEO probably hires the coach.

However unless the Fab Four took advice from the sportsdirect.tw@t owner, they'd hopefully have more sense to retain the interim CEO and coach (and provide additional support) until they become familiar with the club, its operations and the dynamics.

t_x is saying everything I wanted to say more amusingly, and with pictures, in the other thread.

Yep, but JD is saying what I am thinking in that thread too.


...err, do you want to hang out in this thread then?...

I think ultimately the board can sack whomever they want.

Surely you don't need to fill the blank as Billy Harris is numpty enough, perhaps even King of the Numpties...?

So Terry is due to have this bond in place for Monday, what happens next  if (or probably when?!) that doesn't happen???

I actually think the more interesting question is what happens if he does find the cash?