Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA

He explained: “When you build a house you start from the basement, and for me it was the same.

“When I arrived here three-years ago the squad conceded a lot of goals every game and if you continue to concede goals you can’t win.

“If you don’t concede a goal, maybe you have more chance to win but to do this you need to work hard.

“The first six months were really hard for me but when we started to not concede a goal every game the players were happy and we continued to work - I think this is the basis for a good team.”

 Wow. I can't think of many clubs with less similarities to City than ours.

I think the point is sort your defence before you think about attack. Whereas we are going about if the other way. But hey, we may win a few games 10-9 along the way, and sell the ROF out. 

We play the same game, 11 aside, and the pitch is roughly 100m x50m . The difference ? - Prabably more like city than Barcca that they are trying to play like?

Our inabilty to threaten from set pieces, cross the ball, get the ball in the box early enough, runs to the near postwhen the ball gets kicked past the far post, and vice versa . No late tim brown runs into the box this year and no passing midfielders .. Not much to fix really .  Rather than siggy to dura and back again all day

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 As Arsenal says though, it's easy to fix when you can buy anyone on the planet.

Also, I'm not sure I follow where this leaves you on the ownership of the Phoenix which is what this thread covers.

May be Gareth could read page 8 onwards of the attached and focus on building the business and his customer base rather than abusing them

http://content.mcfc.co.uk/~/media/Files/Annual%20Report/At%20a%20glance%20201112%20FINAL.pdf

Fair enough if he's at practise to see if the club should invest in pro-zone or similar but other wise stay away

City have spent less than United and Chelsea and if it was about the$$ only then Bradford wouldn't have turned up to beat nay of the prem clubs they beat and we could just give Melboune V the title and save all this angst

Maybe that's what Gareth is doing? He's taking a massive hit for the team!

I was so optimistic this year as we seemed to have added pace to the front third but while nobody works harder than Vinnie Lia he just gives the ball away too much and can't pass forward. Smith is a much better option but has had his confidence busted by being dropped and seems to be trying too hard or can't get in his grove coming on late. Manny has just got frustrated after a great start to the season.  Our finishing has been woeful  but at times the service has matched the finishing

Communism?

In that situation, why should I feel the need to get my degree and do a skilled job that takes years to learn, when I could just collect rubbish from the street and get paid exactly the same?

For the greater good. Helping your fellow man. 

The government can barely afford a benefit for the unemployed, they definitely cannot afford to pay everyone one! 

Plus, as arsenal said, it doesn't exactly encourage people to work. A lot of people would be content to just live off their UBI, and not contribute. I know that kind of happens now, but at least with a benefit there is a theoretical scope to pressure people in to working rather than bludging. 

Erm anyway this is way off topic. How did it come to this? Jesus wept. 

I am going to lose my shit if Ricki plays Lochhead this weekend!!!!!! He hasnt played well all season, or last season! Why the hell is he still playing him!!!

"The Welnix consortium has had talks with Wellington City
Council about downsizing from the 34,500-seat stadium and shifting to Newtown
Park, which has 1000 seats, no floodlights, and limited parking.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8225983/Wellington-Phoenix-eye-move-to-smaller-venue

Owners are entitled to look at any cost cutting measures. This idea just another sideshow in a week that's been full of sideshows.

How about making Ricky Herbert accountable for his results/performance. None of the fringe fans in my world can believe he's still there. That's why theyve lost interest. Again more fiascos to get him out of the spotlight this week.  

There won't be a 1,000 fans left to turnup at Newtown Park if the RH run continues - he has run out of ideas.

Even the Football Australia website preview is onto it. 

"Wellington – Is this the beginning of the end for Ricki Herbert? While the decision by Wellington's owners to demand more attacking football midway through the season was poorly timed, Herbert's inability to implement the directive does not bode well for his future. Herbert has been in charge of the Phoenix since their first season in 2007/08 and while their run to the Preliminary Final two years later is remembered fondly, the fact is Wellington have not kicked on since then.

Wellington have a goal difference of minus 13 during their four-game losing streak and seem to have no idea what they are supposed to be doing on the pitch at the moment. "

Guess it hurts to know you have inherited the wrong guy.

Sigh. (edit: on the ground shift).

Also, i'm fairly certain that so few people aren't going to go to the games until Ricki is sacked that it is insignificant.  I'm sure lots of people won't go till we win (that is the NZ way) and maybe some won't go till we play better football, but Ricki himself won't be stopping many.

At least a move from the ROF would get rid of those acres of empty yellow seats that provide the current backdrop for home games.

FFS. I hope the club still exists when I return to NZ end of the year. 

BRING BACK TERRY

 I thought a 15,000 rectangular stadium was what everyone wanted? If the Phoenix develop it they could also make money lending it to the Lions and Hurricanes.

Exactly. the FFA have pretty strick guidelines and there's no way Newtown is up to them.

Certainly worth hitting up the council and I'd love them to be playing at a rectangle 15k capacity stadium but unless the owners change tack and are happy to forego a heap of cash it ain't going to happen. Wellington just can't support two significant stadiums.

You have got to be kidding me! As much as a smaller better suited ground would be nice Newtown is so far from it, is might as well be a {insert something I'm too tired}

Stadium CEO just retired so possibly trying to get the edge on new negotiations...? I know the stadium is expensive but Dome has already cut costs in that regard.

Also sorry for hi-jacking the thread with political philosophy last night. We'll have to discuss motivations and human nature some other time.

Unfair. These enquiries were probably made ages ago and will likely amount to nothing. Just because a Dom Post reporter wheels out John Morrison to comment on it now, don't blame the ownership.

Let's not become paranoid, on top of being pathetic and unsophisticated.

 As I said Term providing they kicked the idea into touch then it's fine.  If it's still out there as an idea... I'm (almost) speechless.

I agree. But since when did John Morrison + Dom Post = Fact.

In fact, while I'm ranty.  How did this even get advanced enough to talk to the council about it?

It's clearly, clearly, a fucking stupid idea.  The sort that comes up in a brainstorming session and you all giggle about it but someone says 'remember any ideas at this point, no idea's a bad idea, we'll evaluate them all later' and throw it out immediately in the evaluation process.

How do we have people who think it's worth discussing with the council running the club?

 Sorry for the lack of positivity.  I'll be back on message after a cycle.

I suspect this talk of downsizing to Newtown Park is merely a negotiating ploy by Welnix to get a reduced charge for using Westpac stadium. Otherwise it does seem like a Kingz-style slippery slope to oblivion.

My best guess is the Phoenix will become more of a travelling circus next season with half the home games outside Wellington. Absense might make the heart grow fonder.

Anyone spell the "Apprentice 2" coming along?

Me thinks this is just John Morrison being John Morrison.