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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I challenge anyone to listen to that and maintain that Morgan is an impressive individual who should be the face of this club.  That was just embarrassing!



In what way? What did you find embarassing?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I challenge anyone to listen to that and maintain that Morgan is an impressive individual who should be the face of this club.  That was just embarrassing!



JD - you know I respect you and value you as a contributor to this forum. You are Ronnie Corbett to my Ronnie Barker, Howard Moon to my Vince Noir, but I just gotta ask what crazy prescription meds you are on at the moment (and do the side affects include the inability to see or hear any new information whatsoever that conflicts with your extremely rigid pre-conceptions?).

I thought that was a very good piece that, just like the piece in the paper last weekend, served to give a better insight into how the man works. Sure, I suspect you are right that somebody else could present a much smoother, more media-savvy face to the public but I'm actually really starting to warm up to Gareth's style. You certainly can't accuse him of being anything less than honest or prepared to engage (he has directly answered questions from you on his blog at least twice in the last month), and in the long-run that's probably more important to the fans than constantly being presented with carefully crafted PR spin.

To characterise that piece as "embarrassing" is very, very unfair IMO. In fact, I think every Phoenix fan should listen to that and get a bit more insight into someone who - big picture now - is trying to do right by this club (whether you agree with his methods or not).

I predict that in a year from now everybody will be much more in tune with the way Gareth works and if he were to make similar comments to the famous "pathetic and unsophisticated" ones again it will be met with no more than a knowing shrug and a "he he, crazy Gareth up to his old tricks". I also predict that in ten years we'll still be singing "Stand Up If You Love Your Cat" but it will be one of those quirky ones that no-one can quite remember why.


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about 13 years ago

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.

Considering all the promotion leading up the game, it is a little dissapointing.
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about 13 years ago

a little? I would have guessed that for Eden Park the break even point would be around 15k, (given 10k for RoF) 11k is sad, especially with the marketing, population, novelty etc

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 13 years ago

Posts in fear of the unknown... 

BUT what if Gareth wants you where playing attractive football and further up the table... what would the crowd have been then... 


Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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about 13 years ago

Because of New Zealand's tall poppy syndrome it actually would have been worse.

We hate successful people.


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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

a little? I would have guessed that for Eden Park the break even point would be around 15k, (given 10k for RoF) 11k is sad, especially with the marketing, population, novelty etc


Welcome to www.wildguess.com!

11.5k was pretty within expectations I reckon, considering how the team is performing. I'm sure it will be more than enough to justify another trip up their next season.

I've really warmed to Eden Park as a football venue too. Sure it's a bit big, but so is the RoF, and at least Eden Park is the right shape. I also vastly prefer where the Zone is at Eden Park, the superior food offerings, and the less bothersome security.

That, and Fever Away Trips (TM) never fail to deliver.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 13 years ago

You forgot to mention bouncy castles there Smithy.

I agree, hard to draw any firm conclusions from the size of that crowd. It was low enough for the "travelling circus" haterz to say "told you so" but on the other hand as our second biggest crowd of the season probably just enough to justify doing again.

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about 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

I challenge anyone to listen to that and maintain that Morgan is an impressive individual who should be the face of this club.  That was just embarrassing!


Impressive - probably not. Face of the club - also probably not. Embarrassing - also not.

Like others on here, I have a soft spot for Gareth. He's entertaining, and he provokes discussion. He is also more than prepared to put his money where his mouth is. That's three big ticks in my book. I'm certainly less embarrassed by Gareth's idiosyncrasies than I was by Terry's.

And for all the brouhaha that was stirred up with his "pathetic & unsophisticated" comments, it's actually become more of a meme than anything serious, and hasn't dented our attendance or people's enthusiasm for supporting the football club.

Having said that, I'd prefer Rob Morrison or someone a little more balanced and less inflammatory was the public face of the Phoenix. 


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 13 years ago

Yip, Gareth has definitely given the chants a shot in the arm that was needed. Was getting a little boring there for a while so kudos to Gareth.


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about 13 years ago

 What gets me with this so called break even point at the ROF being 10k,if you look at the figures and apart from our 1st season when have we averaged that for the round robin games.If you take out the games held at AMI and Eden Park and the finals series games from most seasons averages then im pretty sure the figure isnt 10k so not sure why Welnix keep banging on about this magical figure its not as if we have ever reached it on a consistant basis.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 13 years ago

Sounds like Iff's isn't exactly a fan of Gareth... he tweeted this in response to Alex Smith's tweet about the Superbowl.

 

 defence wins championships I swear IV heard that before 


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Sounds like Iff's isn't exactly a fan of Gareth... he tweeted this in response to Alex Smith's tweet about the Superbowl.

 

 defence wins championships I swear IV heard that before 


Yeah, he really isn't. Interesting he chose to let the cat out of the bag (geddit?)


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Yeah, he really isn't. Interesting he chose to let the cat out of the bag (geddit?)



GROAN.... 

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

go on...

 

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

 Patrick isnt a fan of Gareth, he sees something from Ifill, and draws the conclusion that Ifill isnt either, when really there are many possibilities to the meaning of the tweet...


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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.



Prof,
Know how you feel, but Auckland's population is closer to !.4 million not 2 million.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

 Ah...  but what is meaning ?

Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

 The meaning depends on your point of view


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about 13 years ago

ballane wrote:

 not sure why Welnix keep banging on about this magical figure its not as if we have ever reached it on a consistant basis.

 

The 10K figure actually has little to do with Welnix ( at least , I think that's true) . David Gray (Westpac Stadium's manager) told me a few years ago ( during Terry's reign)that 10K is what the Stadium needs to break even.The impression  he gave me  was this was in fact independent of code so similar  figures were relevant for egg-ball.

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about 13 years ago

Jazzman wrote:

ballane wrote:

 not sure why Welnix keep banging on about this magical figure its not as if we have ever reached it on a consistant basis.

 

The 10K figure actually has little to do with Welnix ( at least , I think that's true) . David Gray (Westpac Stadium's manager) told me a few years ago ( during Terry's reign)that 10K is what the Stadium needs to break even.The impression  he gave me  was this was in fact independent of code so similar  figures were relevant for egg-ball.

Okay but whenever you hear it talked about its nearly always made to sound that we used to average those sorts of figures.When in actual fact we have never reall been that close during the normal season.Yep we got the occasional game around those but certainly since our first season not on a regular basis.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.



Prof,
Know how you feel, but Auckland's population is closer to !.4 million not 2 million.
I think it is more like 1.2 million

Auckland will rise once more

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about 13 years ago

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

Leggy wrote:

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.



Prof,
Know how you feel, but Auckland's population is closer to !.4 million not 2 million.
I think it is more like 1.2 million


Closer to 1.22 million I believe.

(Actually its closer to 1.4mill, I just couldn't resist taking the piss)


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

Leggy wrote:

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.



Prof,
Know how you feel, but Auckland's population is closer to !.4 million not 2 million.
I think it is more like 1.2 million


Closer to 1.22 million I believe.

(Actually its closer to 1.4mill, I just couldn't resist taking the piss)



I was talking Greater Auckland, which is wikis at 1397300

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Tegal wrote:

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

Leggy wrote:

theprof wrote:

raynes wrote:

twice the crowd Welly would have put up going by the last few?

close top double sure, but in a stadium that is double the capacity (close too) and from population of 2 million compared to 450k? Welnix can't have made money on this trip....and if they did then Wellington council need to look at the hirage fee for the stadium  in welly.



Prof,
Know how you feel, but Auckland's population is closer to !.4 million not 2 million.
I think it is more like 1.2 million


Closer to 1.22 million I believe.

(Actually its closer to 1.4mill, I just couldn't resist taking the piss)



I was talking Greater Auckland, which is wikis at 1397300

Which is closer to 1.4million, as I said..?


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago


I am closer to climax if that makes any difference.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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hepatitis wrote:

 Patrick isnt a fan of Gareth, he sees something from Ifill, and draws the conclusion that Ifill isnt either, when really there are many possibilities to the meaning of the tweet...


It's not just this tweet that I drew conclusions from, there have been many tweets along the same lines, especially on the day that Gareth called us pathetic. It's been an ongoing theme in some of his tweets.

Also, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm not a fan of Gareth. I think you are drawing conclusions.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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hepatitis wrote:

 The meaning depends on your point of view




Excellent!!!! 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

 Patrick isnt a fan of Gareth, he sees something from Ifill, and draws the conclusion that Ifill isnt either, when really there are many possibilities to the meaning of the tweet...


It's not just this tweet that I drew conclusions from, there have been many tweets along the same lines, especially on the day that Gareth called us pathetic. It's been an ongoing theme in some of his tweets.

Also, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm not a fan of Gareth. I think you are drawing conclusions.


I havent seen any of Ifills tweets. So I took that in isolation,  fair enough,  altho I'm not sure why you are reposting it, isnt there some glee there ?

My conclusions have come from seeing your posts on here, if I am wrong and you are a fan (of Gareth), then I welcome your saying it loud and proud :-)
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about 13 years ago

I am a recovering Garethaholic.


It's been three weeks since I last stomped on a kitty and 12 hours since I last looked at a league table...


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

 LOL ^^ Noice

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about 13 years ago

It's hard to put into words, but I'll try. I'm not a fan of the way Gareth gets his messages across sometimes, but I respect that he is ambitious and that all he is trying to do is make things better. His overall message is fairly positive (I think most of us agree on that), but the way he communicated it and implemented it could have been better. It also irks me that he has appointed himself as they spokesperson from the Phoenix and presents his opinion as the opinion of Welnix and the Phoenix, when in fact the people that should be speaking in public (Rob and Domey) have a completely different point of view. (I'm referring to him saying that him saying that it's okay if we don't make the playoffs, whereas Rob Morrison said that he's told Ricki we have to make the playoffs).


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

I am a recovering Garethaholic.


It's been three weeks since I last stomped on a kitty and 12 hours since I last looked at a league table...




All hail the king!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Jazzman wrote:
The 10K figure actually has little to do with Welnix ( at least , I think that's true) . David Gray (Westpac Stadium's manager) told me a few years ago ( during Terry's reign)that 10K is what the Stadium needs to break even.The impression  he gave me  was this was in fact independent of code so similar  figures were relevant for egg-ball.


Domey on radio said today they needed 14-15k to make money out of Eden park.


How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 13 years ago

 

patrick478 wrote:

(Rob and Domey) have a completely different point of view. (I'm referring to him saying that him saying that it's okay if we don't make the playoffs, whereas Rob Morrison said that he's told Ricki we have to make the playoffs).



Guess you missed Domey on Radio Sport today saying the fans wouldn't mind if they dropped the Wellington and became just the Phoenix.

<insert Jesus wept here>

How's my driving? - Whine here

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 

patrick478 wrote:

(Rob and Domey) have a completely different point of view. (I'm referring to him saying that him saying that it's okay if we don't make the playoffs, whereas Rob Morrison said that he's told Ricki we have to make the playoffs).



Guess you missed Domey on Radio Sport today saying the fans wouldn't mind if they dropped the Wellington and became just the Phoenix.

<insert Jesus wept here>

Linky?

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about 13 years ago

 I heard it replayed on the best of the day between 18:15 and 18:30 so you could find it there on listen back.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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