Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA

I think that you missing the point that he bases his argument of research and facts, rather than blind ideology. Taking an extreme position would never work. Too easily dismissed. The real problem here is the superficial and sensationalist reporting from many, not all, journalist.  Their inability to comprehend basic issues and arguments is really, really poor.  The fact that you think the story is that all cats should be killed highlights that.

Well In the past couple of weeks there have been two factually incorrect articles. No truth to them at all. That is can be construed as either a deliberate agenda to create sensationalist stories/headlines to sell papers, or really poor journalism/editing. And I don't just think that applies to the Phoenix.

Why do people keep referencing the EPL (or any other non-salary capped league) in a discussion about whether the Nix can break-even? They are two completely different scenarios.

Of course the Nix can break-even in a salary-capped league. The only question is how competitive that team will be if it doesn't use marquees and is possibly running a leaner back-room operation than some clubs. Yes, it is going to be tough but surely CCM provide a good example of what can still be achieved.

And are we too fixated on winning the league anyway? I'd love for the Nix to win the league but the facts are that there are ten teams and, all other things being equal, that means that on average every team should be champions once every ten years. Think about that. Then factor in some of the small competitive advantages that other clubs have, like money for marquees, bigger support staff etc and you start to realise the reality might be more like winning the league once every 15 or 20 years. That's the only real problem I have with the Welnix plans - that talk of winning the A-League is probably promising something they can't deliver, at least not consistently.

Does that mean we don't bother? Of course not. We still compete, we still hope, we still enjoy the entertainment on offer. And when we eventually win the damn thing we party like there's no tomorrow. But you have to be in to win, and that means having a sound, sustainable business that means we'll actually be around for 20 years.

 JD, are you saying that if the DP makes up lies about the Nix, it's the Nix's fault for not making friends with them?

 JD, are you saying that if the DP makes up lies about the Nix, it's the Nix's fault for not making friends with them?

Stamping your feet and complaining they aren't writing nice things about you is pretty pathetic don't you think?  

I haven't missed the point at all.  What I am saying is that because of his abrasive, and in some cases incendiary comments, it makes it very difficult to stimulate rational debate.  You say he deals in facts, but look at the website for the cat thing for instance, it's called "Cats to go" and the first article is called "Why not have a cat", then next topic "NZ without cats".

Then he complains that people have misrepresented that he doesn't like cats and he comes out and says it's actually about micro chipping cats and the SPCA not releasing cats into the wild.

This isn't about the media, it's his technique for influencing public debate that's flawed.

The message to players over the past month has been clear.

The type of player we've hired up to now (ie you lot) will no longer cut the mustard. There will be wholesale change next season.

The owners are going to call the shots on strategy, tactics and personnel. And by the way, we are changing tactics midseason and we want you to play in a manner that many of you are probably not capable of.

 Are you still seriously defending that Worthington article? Because that was trumped up, sensationalist 'journalism' at it's finest.

As for the Thompson article, most of it was ok. Except for when he starts saying..

Most of that isn't really a fair reflection of the facts.

Personally If I were Morgan I'd just buy the Dom and use it to convince the public that the nix are great. Then I'd exploit the media to become prime minister and start cat extermin internment camps...

Or alternatively buy all the businesses which advertise in the Dom and suffocate them. Consortium have money, throw it around!

I am not brown-nosing people in the hope they don't slander me. Of course that's why I'm not rich and successful.

The guardian is recognized as a quality left paper, not exactly right wing gareth's cup of tea

quality left?

It's liberal and not tabloid, with some lefty tendencies.

Covers football well.  Has an agenda for everything else.

We need to pigeon-hole Gareth as either extreme left or extreme right, however, so that any discussion fits within the framework for all other discourse on this forum, which is people screaming at each other from polarised extremes with no possibility of compromise or consensus.

The only true centrist is Ernieclucks.  He has both right and left wing tendencies.