Phoenix Transfer - speculation

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well if you are going to contract ageing Brazilian stars, the one to get would be Tulio Maravilha. The guy has 875 goals to his name and is wanting to become the thord guy to score 1000!!

We hould get him over here feed him the ball and he will slot them home with ease!!! He is the man!!

Tulio Humberto Pereira Costa, he is 39 but man the guy knows how to score.

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He is the striker in Denilson's current team in Goias, Itumbiara.

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Black Plague wrote:

Tulio Humberto Pereira Costa, he is 39 but man the guy knows how to score.

Two Costas in Attack

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Oska wrote:

Article on the front page mentions Roque Junior, possible Dodd replacement? Would prefer him to Denilson

Agree. Would be a good signing

But I'm thinking I'd like to see one of the youth spots in CB.
With Siggy, Durante and McKain able to play there, I think it would be a good spot to fill with a youth player. Don't know who could fit in though??

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Dino10 wrote:

Played professionally in Brazil and is either in Marlborough or Queenstown. May beï¿½ a bit of self promoting.

Half of Queenstown seems to be Brazilian these days, maybe we should go on a big recruitment drive there.

And Roque Junior is pants, I'd steer well clear of him.el grapadura2009-04-17 10:08:19

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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Half of Queenstown seems to be Brazilian these days, maybe we should go on a big recruitment drive there.

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True that, they are all in the vineyards, orchards and hotels!!

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Oska wrote:

Article on the front page mentions Roque Junior, possible Dodd replacement? Would prefer him to Denilson

Jack Pelter?

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Malky wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

Oska wrote:

Article on the front page mentions Roque Junior, possible Dodd replacement? Would prefer him to Denilson

Jack Pelter?

he'll be making a mint playing for Wests..

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

with the Greenacres thing- I"m not excited, I'm stoked. It was the same with Smeltz. I wasn't excited, but very happy. When it is announced we know that we have got some experience and reliability to lead the front line.

The excitement came I think with the possibility of having both Smeltz and then an equally prolific strike partner.

I'm very happy to have Greenacres when he signs. But it is a half done job. I'll be excited when we get quality to support him in attack. That means we would have a chance, though this year will be tougher than last IMO.

martinb2009-04-17 12:34:46

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

... That means we would have a chance, though this year will be tougher than last IMO.

Very true, standing still is going backwards.

Maybe its the year of the Costa?

Certainly looking forward to us having some pace at the sharp end.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Perth are idiots, he will make george look good, apart from stepovers what does he have ?

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

that would be awesome. Costa to come of age and set the A-league on fire...though that can't be our plan it would be great if it happened...man how come kick off isn't for another 4 months!!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yeah Denilson, doesn't seemed to have helped Itumbiara much, the just lost first leg of their state semi final 5-1!! Tulio Maravilha scored the one goal...

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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martinb wrote:

that would be awesome. Costa to come of age and set the A-league on fire...though that can't be our plan it would be great if it happened...man how come kick off isn't for another 4 months!!

I really hope we'll see more of Costa this year - regardless of how many strikers we will sign. I think that in his third season at the nix he can't be kept on the bench as the "youngster" anymore. It's his moment to shine (hopefully) or fail [suppose there is the "doing so-so" option too].

Roque Junior?? NO please! Man, the guy has always been crap. Sure, someone who's crap in Europe may not be too bad in Aussie, but I think the A-League is competitve enough that if someone is absolute crap it will show.

Denilson? Toughie, if you ask me. I agree with people saying that he's never made it [too] big, that he lost passion. However, we are talking about a World Champion. I've seen him play live and I can tell you that he has skills. Who's to say that in a less stressful environment, with less games and pressure, he won't blossom to a second youth?!

newzealandpower2009-04-17 16:06:16

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Have we signed Chris Greenacre?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Phoenix#Squad_changes_for_2009-10_season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Greenacre

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Footballshirt wrote:

Have we signed Chris Greenacre?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Phoenix#Squad_changes_for_2009-10_season

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Greenacre

You forgot the capital t on Tranmere

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

costa costa costa I keep hearing his name and about how he will revive the nix's fortunes...however the club dont seem to anxious to bandy his name around and promote what others are saying...do they think hes good enough? at the moment we have lost smeltz, moss,Dodd, three half decent players plus the others that havent had their contracts renewed, we are now informed that the pre season cup wont happen and that the wigan game has fallen through, wellington fans probably now wont get the chance to see the team before august although other people will..fans or not

we know for definite that we have signed diego.............stacked up against all those other disappointments its not much to offset it

C'mon phoenix feed us some good news!!!

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

paullt wrote:

we know for definite that we have signed diego.............stacked up against all those other disappointments its not much to offset it

C'mon phoenix feed us some good news!!!

as much as I try to be optimistic you have a couple of good points. However, if your point is fair enough [which I think it is] we should also consider that:

1) players WILL be signed. and the time this is taking is only hinting at us signing decent players, otherwise it would (should) have been much easier.

2) pre-season cup not going ahead isn't the Nix fault

3) I'd rather send good money on good players than hosting Wigan Athletic (or even Man Utd!). These games are only useful to a certain extent, and are financially non-viable at this time.

That being said, I think it would be VERY important for the Phoenix to host a couple of decent teams in Welly for a friendly before the season starts. It will get the people aware that it's that time of the year again.

Off-topic but what the heck: In the future I would personally like to see more "pre-season tournaments", as they have them in europe. For example 3 or 4 teams play each other in one day, 45' games with penalties at the end in case of a draw. That way any team can try several formations and the crowds always enjoy a more "rugby 7s" atmosphere, as the whole thing is seen as more of an all-day exibition than a simple friendly game.

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Funny how we aren't excited by greenacres but we all were desperate for porter. The difference being one is an aussie 30 year old and one is an english 30 year old.

Hmm, that's gotten me confused.

Its quite simple really....there have been lots of examples of Aussies playing in Europe and returning and playing well in the A-league(Allsop, Moore, McCain etc) Returning Aussies are coming back to their home environment. They also bring their normal combative sporting ethos, their never say die, give it all you've got play which we all know about. I would love to see more Europe based Aussies come to the Phoenix.

English players however don't travel well. I can't think of many English attacking players who have done well abroad....especially in the A-League. there seems to be an assumption that we are all culturally the same therefore an Englishman will do well here. Well just because you like Coronation Street doe'snt mean you will be a hit in the A-League.

When you watch Greenacres Youtube clips the thing that strikes me is most of the games look like they are being played in Siberia. If you have been bought up playing in northern England playing on muddy cold rain swept pitches then coming to play in the A-League on rock hard pitches in the middle of an Aussie summer requires a huge adjustment.

I hope that for the sake of the Phoenix that this new guy is a gem and rips up the A-League. But I still have niggling doubts about the wisdom of this latest recruitment angle.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Here's where I think we sit at the moment in terms of our squad and their contractual status;

CONTRACT EXPIRED

#2) Jeremy Christie

CONTRACT EXPIRES END OF SEASON FIVE (09/10):
#4) Jon McKain
#7) Leo Bertos
#10) Michael Ferrante
#13) Troy Hearfield
#16) David Mulligan
#17) Vince Lia
#23) Costa Barbarouses
#22) Andrew Durante

#1) Mark Paston

#25) Manny Muscat

CONTRACT EXPIRES END OF SEASON SIX (10/11):
#3) Tony Lochhead
#6) Tim Brown
#11) Daniel
#18) Ben Sigmund

#31) Diego

So 15 signed plus Christie on hold.

At a minimum we still need 2 strikers, a centre back and another keeper making 19. We also need 2 more youth players. I can't see either of the strikers (need 2 proven goal scorers) or the centre back (also needs to be experienced as will get plenty of game time due to suspensions or injuries) being youth players. Maybe a youth goalie is a lower risk although both Moss and Paston were injured at some stage last year. Assuming one of those 4 positions is a youth player then we would still need to sign another youth player making a total of 20 and I suspect the better of Krisna or Corrales (sp?) will also get signed making 21.

Tough situation for Christie but I think whether he gets re-signed will depend on how much the 2 strikers cost and the calibre of the youth players we sign.

Still around 6 to sign.

Whitby boy2009-04-17 20:20:24

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not quite sure why you think we need another CB.

Yes, we had 4 last year but McKain spent most of the season at DM. If we needed 4 then why let Dodd go? Despite what some people think of him he is good enough to be a squad player as the 4th CB. Which says to me that Ricki thinks 3 is enough. Either that or he has a youf CB lined up.

Instead I think we need another AM (Fred?). Especially as Diego has previously proven a little fragile.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Malky wrote:

Not quite sure why you think we need another CB.

Because McKain is too valuable as a DM to have him playing Centre Back - once he got in to playing DM he was a huge influence on games and a class above any of our other DMs.

I don't want McKain to have to play CB if Sigmund or Durante get injured or suspended.

P.S. My suspicion is Dodd going had more to do with his salary expectation than a change in the number of centre backs required for the squad - time will tell.

Whitby boy2009-04-17 22:58:28

He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

As concerns me each position should be doubled, so 4 centre backs are necessary but that is just my opinion.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zinidane wrote:

james dean wrote:

Funny how we aren't excited by greenacres but we all were desperate for porter. The difference being one is an aussie 30 year old and one is an english 30 year old.

Hmm, that's gotten me confused.

I hope that for the sake of the Phoenix that this new guy is a gem and rips up the A-League. But I still have niggling doubts about the wisdom of this latest recruitment angle.

But Joel Porter has been playing in exactly the same environment for the last 10 years! That's my point...

There haven't exactly been a clutch of quality englishmen tried down here have there. No-one who's actually been expected to succeed and hasn't. It's been crap players confirming their reputations

Normo's coming home

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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English players however don't travel well. I can't think of many English attacking players who have done well abroad....

Paul Ince

Paul Gascoigne

Gary Lineker

Steve McManaman

David Beckham

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Exactly, good players will generally perform well overseas. Crap players will usually be crap. Really it just comes down to whether the player is good enough, thats not really something I can comment on having seen very little of him

Normo's coming home

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zinidane wrote:

james dean wrote:

Funny how we aren't excited by greenacres but we all were desperate for porter. The difference being one is an aussie 30 year old and one is an english 30 year old.

Hmm, that's gotten me confused.

I hope that for the sake of the Phoenix that this new guy is a gem and rips up the A-League. But I still have niggling doubts about the wisdom of this latest recruitment angle.

What a load of sh*t.

Of course it would be preferable to sign Aussie or NZ talent, to 'bring them home', as it'd be a more familiar setting for them. Unfortunately, there isn't loads of Aussie/NZ talent just waiting to be found abroad.

I assume you are looking only as far afield as the NZK for players who were 'British talent'. They were at best League 2 callibre, at best. Most were Blue square and below. The ones that have come from a half decent level have done well, Brebner, Cornthwaite (Debatable as I still think hes sh*t) and Charlie Miller. Not only that you have a few Scottish managers. Besides the NZK, noone has really brought in that many English players.

And A-league pitches are spectacular are they? I seem to remember a certain game where the ball stopped every 5m in another puddle. I remember another game where you couldnt even tell where the lines were. I can remember another game where a section of the pitch was nothing but clay and rock, covered by dead grass.

What would be your recruitment drive then? Out of all the markets available to scout in, the British leagues are the ones Ricky has the most knowledge of, the most contacts in, and the transition will be relatively easy for the players. Perhaps you would be more fond of scouting Brazilians from DVD's, Cleberson, George ect... Maybe you would be using them as one of your examples of failures, if they were English. Or maybe you want us to go scout Indonesia, where we have next to no knowledge of the leagues there.

The nationality of a potential signing is irrelevant, its the standard they play football to that counts.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

How many players are in training and which players are on trial currently?

By the way I know that it doesn't fit here but is Ricky Herbert of a German origin?

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Robbie Younis to replace Draper, anyone?

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wants to be closer to family...

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He wanted gametime, too. He wouldn't be the worst person for Tony and Ricki to at least have a chat to.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Very true. But can we give him gametime?

You'd think that Costa deserves the gametime if we didnt have two new strikers..

Surprised me that he left though just as Adelaide were down a striker too.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wolfben wrote:

And A-league pitches are spectacular are they? I seem to remember a certain game where the ball stopped every 5m in another puddle. I remember another game where you couldnt even tell where the lines were. I can remember another game where a section of the pitch was nothing but clay and rock, covered by dead grass.
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The nationality of a potential signing is irrelevant, its the standard they play football to that counts.

Exactly, we are on the search for transferable talent.

As for THAT match, all I could see was splash, stop, where's the ball. More splashing. A card for what looked like a slip. The ref need the guts to call it off or have it replayed. We would have understood. It looked pretty dangerous out there.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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What a load of sh*t.

Of course it would be preferable to sign Aussie or NZ talent, to 'bring them home', as it'd be a more familiar setting for them. Unfortunately, there isn't loads of Aussie/NZ talent just waiting to be found abroad.

I assume you are looking only as far afield as the NZK for players who were 'British talent'. They were at best League 2 callibre, at best. Most were Blue square and below. The ones that have come from a half decent level have done well, Brebner, Cornthwaite (Debatable as I still think hes sh*t) and Charlie Miller. Not only that you have a few Scottish managers. Besides the NZK, noone has really brought in that many English players.

And A-league pitches are spectacular are they? I seem to remember a certain game where the ball stopped every 5m in another puddle. I remember another game where you couldnt even tell where the lines were. I can remember another game where a section of the pitch was nothing but clay and rock, covered by dead grass.

What would be your recruitment drive then? Out of all the markets available to scout in, the British leagues are the ones Ricky has the most knowledge of, the most contacts in, and the transition will be relatively easy for the players. Perhaps you would be more fond of scouting Brazilians from DVD's, Cleberson, George ect... Maybe you would be using them as one of your examples of failures, if they were English. Or maybe you want us to go scout Indonesia, where we have next to no knowledge of the leagues there.

The nationality of a potential signing is irrelevant, its the standard they play football to that counts.

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Gosh some people are hyper sensitive when there is any implied criticism of dear old mother England.

All I said was that A-League pitches can be rock hard. I made no value judgements in comparison to English pitches. Last season many A-League pitches were substandard.

I have expressed reservations about the recruitment drive. The facts are we were told that they were going to England to recruit two English strikers from Div1.(Plus a Brazil trip which never happened).

My point is why so narrow a focus...why not also go to Scotland where there must be some good talent available?(another Charlie Miller would be nice)

Why not also a quick trip across the Channel to Holland. To see if there are anymore Serg van Dykes lurking around in Dutch Div 2. Ricki could have got some contacts from Ivan Vicilich who played there for a number of years.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zinidane wrote:

Gosh some people are hyper sensitive when there is any implied criticism of dear old mother England.

All I said was that A-League pitches can be rock hard. I made no value judgements in comparison to English pitches. Last season many A-League pitches were substandard.

My point is why so narrow a focus...why not also go to Scotland where there must be some good talent available?(another Charlie Miller would be nice)

I'll accept criticism where its due, in many places, but your wildly inaccurate post suggests either A: Ignorance or B: A substantial lack of knowledge, probably both.

Scotland? I assume you are aware Steven Old has signed terms with Kilmarnock. At a guess I would say he was on more than we ever paid him. If Steven Old is good enough, what makes you think players coming off contract at similar clubs in Scotland are going to be amazing. The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.

It is clear to me Ricky and Tony had drawn up a short-list of players they wanted, that were available and would at least have an interest in coming to the Nix. I don't know if they scouted Holland, but rough diamonds don't walk around with a big sign saying 'Sergio the second - sign me up', like you seem to believe they do.

I think we shouldve scouted Madagascar, just incase we unearthed a gem.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm part Malagasi; they shouldn't waste their money on travelling to Africa and just catch the bus up to Karori.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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. The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.

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Ha!......i'm sure Charlie Miller would love to hear someone discribe him as thin!!!!!!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For a youth spot Zane Sole, not even 17 yet and getting a good amount of game time in the NZFC with Waitakeri... must have something about him.

Plus on the forum in the under 17's his got a couple of admirers so maybe worth a look.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

For a youth spot Zane Sole, not even 17 yet and getting a good amount of game time in the NZFC with Waitakeri... must have something about him.

Plus on the forum in the under 17's his got a couple of admirers so maybe worth a look.

i think he better get an education first fella

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Instead I think we need another AM (Fred?). Especially as Diego has previously proven a little fragile.

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personally i'd like to see a holding midfielder who can distribute a bal and not just hoof it forwardl

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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