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Wolfben wrote:
zinidane wrote:
 
Gosh some people are hyper sensitive when there is any implied criticism of dear old mother England.
All I said was that A-League pitches can be rock hard. I made no value judgements in comparison to English pitches. Last season many A-League pitches were substandard.
 
I have expressed reservations about the recruitment drive. The facts are we were told that they were going to England to recruit two English strikers from Div1.(Plus a Brazil trip which never happened).
My point is why so narrow a focus...why not also go to Scotland where there must be some good talent available?(another Charlie Miller would be nice)
 
 Why not also a quick trip across the Channel to Holland. To see if there are anymore Serg van Dykes lurking around in Dutch Div 2. Ricki could have got some contacts from Ivan Vicilich who played there for a number of years.
 


I'll accept criticism where its due, in many places, but your wildly inaccurate post suggests either A: Ignorance or B: A substantial lack of knowledge, probably both.

Scotland? I assume you are aware Steven Old has signed terms with Kilmarnock. At a guess I would say he was on more than we ever paid him. If Steven Old is good enough, what makes you think players coming off contract at similar clubs in Scotland are going to be amazing. The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.

It is clear to me Ricky and Tony had drawn up a short-list of players they wanted, that were available and would at least have an interest in coming to the Nix. I don't know if they scouted Holland, but rough diamonds don't walk around with a big sign saying 'Sergio the second - sign me up', like you seem to believe they do.

I think we shouldve scouted Madagascar, just incase we unearthed a gem.
 
 
 
 
I don't think so, just watch this
 
 
You need a good kick up the arse.
 

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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why oh why did you subject my sensitive eyes to that..
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
WYNRS at his best
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that green acre guy alongside a speedy striker like krishna or something could prove to be a good combination
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Wolfben wrote:
The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.
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Would Killen be good enough for us do you think?   (Cant get onto the subs bench any more in Scotland)
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Unfortunately, there isn't loads of Aussie/NZ talent just waiting to be found abroad.


There is around 100 Aussies playing professionally abroad. Whether they are good enough, or able to be lured back is another thing
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All of which Ricky and co will be aware of.

I dont get the comments from people who say they arent doing it right, or should have gone here, or still be over there. They know what they are doing, have a little faith...

Longest offseason ever continues
 

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Wolfben wrote:
The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.
 
 
 
You are an idiot.
 
 
 
 

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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hepatitis wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
The talent pool in Scotland is thin as it is, it would've been a waste of a trip and a waste of money.
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Would Killen be good enough for us do you think?   (Cant get onto the subs bench any more in Scotland)
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For Celtic. The only way we could get Killen is because hes a kiwi, a scottish player of similar ability from Rangers or Celtic won't be interested.
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Unfortunately, there isn't loads of Aussie/NZ talent just waiting to be found abroad.


There is around 100 Aussies playing professionally abroad. Whether they are good enough, or able to be lured back is another thing
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All of which Ricky and co will be aware of.



And so will the rest of the a-league.
 
Wolfben2009-04-19 22:51:15
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zinidane wrote:
james dean wrote:
Funny how we aren't excited by greenacres but we all were desperate for porter.  The difference being one is an aussie 30 year old and one is an english 30 year old.
 
Hmm, that's gotten me confused.
 
 
Its quite simple really....there have been lots of examples of Aussies playing in Europe and returning and playing well in the A-league(Allsop, Moore, McCain etc) Returning Aussies are coming back to their home environment. They also bring their normal combative sporting ethos, their never say die, give it all you've got play which we all know about. I would love to see more Europe based Aussies come to the Phoenix.
 
English players however don't travel well. I can't think of many English attacking players who have done well abroad....especially in the A-League. there seems to be an assumption that we are all culturally the same therefore an Englishman will do well here. Well just because you like Coronation Street doe'snt mean you will be a hit in the A-League.
 
When you watch Greenacres Youtube clips the thing that strikes me is most of the games look like they are being played in Siberia. If you have been bought up playing in northern England playing on muddy cold rain swept pitches then coming to play in the A-League on rock hard pitches in the middle of an Aussie summer requires a huge adjustment.
 
I hope that for the sake of the Phoenix that this new guy is a gem and rips up the A-League. But I still have niggling doubts about the wisdom of this latest recruitment angle.


Neil Emblin comes to mind here, he's still class even now at Waitak and look at Steve Sumner, arguably the greatest AW ever (but not NZ's best player), he's not from here but the UK; already watering down your argument.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Actually if you look at that whole 1982 team.

Born in England:
Bobby Almond
Dave Bright
Duncan Cole
Billy McLure
Steve Sumner
Brian Turner
Steve Wooddin

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On RS, Tony P stated that some 'positive news' will hopefully be announced tomorrow concerning strikers. Also that only one of the players that we really wanted to sign will sign with us, and after that our concern is getting a second striker, a goalkeeper and some under 21 players.

Overall it sounded quite positive.
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Torne wrote:
On RS, Tony P stated that some 'positive news' will hopefully be announced tomorrow concerning strikers. Also that only one of the players that we really wanted to sign will sign with us, and after that our concern is getting a second striker, a goalkeeper and some under 21 players.

Overall it sounded quite positive.


It will be... G-acre is the man (until Fred arrives)

E + R + O

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Torne wrote:
On RS, Tony P stated that some 'positive news' will hopefully be announced tomorrow concerning strikers. Also that only one of the players that we really wanted to sign will sign with us, and after that our concern is getting a second striker, a goalkeeper and some under 21 players.

Overall it sounded quite positive.
so presuming then that if we decide to replace Dodd it'll be with a youngster.
You know we belong together...

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I say we need someone who can score goals but is built like Heskey or Crouch to compliment a speedy striker preferably Krishna.......

At CB i say we sign Pelter or someone in the siggy type of mold

How the hell are we so confident Greenacre is ours??

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tranmere lost on the weekend, still 2 points clear of Sc**thorpe, but now played 2 games more. TonyP said it was from a player involved in the playoffs, 2 + 2 = greenacre

Go the Iron!
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I hear Aaron Scott from the NZ Olympic team and Waitakere is down trialling at the moment - would be good to see him included in this years squad
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Apparantly we are interested in Elliot

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ro-weekendreview042009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

scroll down to 9.
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He's just been signed and made the San Jose squad, he's settled in the US with a US partner and things.  I'd be surprised if he came back.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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that rumour just left me con fuddled

since he is getting first team action
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disco_mart wrote:

zinidane wrote:
james dean wrote:
Funny how we aren't excited by greenacres but we all were desperate for porter.� The difference being one is an aussie 30 year old and one is an english 30 year old.
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Hmm, that's gotten me confused.

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Its quite simple really....there have been lots of examples of Aussies playing in Europe and returning and playing well in the A-league(Allsop, Moore, McCain etc) Returning Aussies are coming back to their home environment. They also bring their normal combative sporting ethos, their never say die, give it all you've got play which we all know about. I would love to see more Europe based Aussies come to the Phoenix.

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English players however don't travel well. I can't think of many English attacking players who have done well abroad....especially in the A-League. there seems to be an assumption that we are all culturally the same therefore an Englishman will do well here. Well just because you like Coronation Street doe'snt mean you will be a hit in the A-League.

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When you watch Greenacres Youtube clips the thing that strikes me is most of the games look like they are being played in Siberia. If you have been bought up playing in northern England playing on muddy cold rain swept pitches then coming to play in the A-League on rock hard pitches in the middle of an Aussie summer requires a huge adjustment.

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I hope that for the sake of the Phoenix that this new guy is a gem and rips up the A-League. But�I still have niggling doubts about the wisdom of this latest recruitment angle.
Neil Emblin comes to mind here, he's still class even now at Waitak and look at Steve Sumner, arguably the greatest AW ever (but not NZ's best player), he's not from here but the UK; already watering down your argument.


I thought Neil E was not good enough

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Am getting more and more worried about the path we've decided to take re: strikers. Greenacre sounds decent but much too injury prone.

Unfortunately there probably hasn't been many other options because of the lack of Aussie/NZ strikers free.

a.haak

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valeo wrote:
Am getting more and more worried about the path we've decided to take re: strikers. Greenacre sounds decent but much too injury prone.

Unfortunately there probably hasn't been many other options because of the lack of Aussie/NZ strikers free.
 
Draper is free
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Kezzah01 wrote:
valeo wrote:
Am getting more and more worried about the path we've decided to take re: strikers. Greenacre sounds decent but much too injury prone.

Unfortunately there probably hasn't been many other options because of the lack of Aussie/NZ strikers free.
 
Draper is free
 
I think if draper was up to it they wouldnt have let him go

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
that rumour just left me con fuddled

since he is getting first team action
 
Maybe there is a chance of getting him on a guest stint like we had with Fred...that was in the season break I seem to remember.
 
who would be displaced by him? Brown...? no real point speculating on that anyway I guess...


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wish Draper had had a chance to prove he was better than Brownlie or Mulligan or ...he seemed ok in the Olympics... would have liked to see him get something of a run...ahh well its not a charity.


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valeo wrote:
Am getting more and more worried about the path we've decided to take re: strikers. Greenacre sounds decent but much too injury prone.

Unfortunately there probably hasn't been many other options because of the lack of Aussie/NZ strikers free.
He has had a unlucky season this year, but in the last 3 seasons he scored 53 goals in 162 appearances, so until now he has been relatively injury free.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not a surprise but still a great signing and a relief that we've done some work. Yay the season is getting closer


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
woooo, its been a long time between signings
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Unlucky is an  understatement.  Out for 2 months with an foot injury and now he is out with Medial Ligament damage after hobbling off at halftime in his much anticipated return game (a testimonial game at that).  Having said that, it appears that a fit "Greeny" would be a good aquisition.  I like the look of him and I'd say that Tranmere would fight tooth & nail to keep him if they thought he could overcome his injury issues, which says a lot.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yahoo, finally off the mark in the squad assembly race. Despite some people's reservations over injuries hopefully Ed can work his magic albeit late and condition Greenacre for a top scoring season
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
so rumours about the next striker...and who was the target they missed?


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This isnt really transfer speculation but meh... Does anybody know what the official ball of the A-League for 09/10 will look like/what brand it is etc etc.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It will be round
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the ball is round
it bounces on the ground
and if the goalie is slow
bang past the goal post it go
 
.....but who is going to be the other striker? and who was the chap we missed out on?


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

so, who's the 2nd striker gonna be??


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