Phoenix Transfer - speculation

I agree. But he could be a wide palyer. And Could be fighting for bench time. Not a starter yet.

No.
Alice.
Bands.


Ever.

I don't mind Tiatto too much, and that nose is blimming impressive.  I can't stand Hyuk Su-Seo or Clint Bolton.

As much as I hate agreeing with Greenie, he's right.
Besides, it's full of players I can barely stand but I'd pay a fortune to see playing in yellow-and-black. A few examples?

K. Muscat
R. Vargas
M. Zullo/Kruse (don't dislike him too much but the boy gotta grow up)
J. & A. Griffith
Cassio
L. Pantelis
Hutchinson from the Jets
D. Tiatto

and above all DANNY 'T-W-A-T' Allsopp!

Let's face it, there is plenty of scumbags in this list, but there is also a lot of talent. And also, you can't argue that sometimes [not always] certain fans hate a given player because, first and foremost, he's good and does well against the team they support.

I am not talking personality here - just plain skills. I am ashamed of having included some of these players in my list, but at least I am sincere and I admit that, though I despise them, I also envy their teams for having them.
Just like I say that Capello and Lippi are two foolish mercenaries, but great coaches.

edit: me can't spellnewzealandpower2009-05-01 13:57:01

Some facts to back up my opinion...

I agree with W-Boy earlier, if a player is only around 20 you've still got to have faith in their ability to get back on track if they have expressed the wish to do so. Rather harsh and unfair to write off someone at that age. That is the off-field stuff though, if he trials and is pants then of course don't bother with him for that reason.

All fair points but one could say..

Not offered a contract by current club
not necessarily a bad thing. He might not be in the club plan's anymore but that doesn't make him less skillful.

Aussie Under 20 player taking a spot that could be benefit a kiwi under 20 player..
True enough, but it doesn't seem as though we are targeting any promising young kiwi at the moment. Our players on trial being a US-born, Australian keeper, Corrales and Krishna proving the point.

There are some doubts whether he will fit into the "Nix" culture
Possible, but how do you know whether one player will or won't fit until you give them a chance? One could have said the same about Siggy, McKain and all the other in-transfers last year but it turned out that only Gao was an outcast.

I'm not criticizing you Dino, I just think that we have the opportunity to sign a decent player here

I totally agree. Ronaldo is a great example. Somany people hate him but he's an amazingly good player (on his day). What we need to think about is whether or not these types of players fit into the team and usually the main dislike is the fact they are talented and the way they act in a game.

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Really hard decision.

I think you need to remember that we are a club team andcwe are not here to be building a future for nz football but for the phoenix. Now I personally want us to be growing young kiwi kids but we are a club.


If he's sh*te then don't sign him. But dont reject him because of choices he's made in life

Exactly. Every player deserves a look.

But DONT shoot him away because he has made mistakes. Everyone does in life. For a guy who is really having a go to get his life back on track, we should give him his chance. How can you argue against this?
If he's crap then he won't be signed fullstop.

I'm not even a big fan of his but you gotta give this guy a go. He's only 20 and we could be building a future nix star and if he does get good enough, he could want to move overseas and we could get some money out of him

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I think you need to remember that we are a club team andcwe are not here to be building a future for nz football but for the phoenix. Now I personally want us to be growing young kiwi kids but we are a club.

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Bring on Kruse, I'd take him. Only worry is Costa/Troy/Kruse- similar players?

Course not, that spot's taken.

in my opinion it's kind of silly to be against a player so much, and for no particular reason. So what? He scored a goal against us..wow big deal. Plus he's a talented, spoiled kid who went out drinking a night or two and got caught. He didn't rape nobody, he got into a fight.

Putting my pedant hat on - it's Srhoj.

Yip exactly. We want youth who will compete for places. Eg Hearfield. There aren't too many kiwis who could do this and aren't already playing somewhere else

I Agree. I'd like to see loads of kiwis in the team and to help build the NZ national team.
But we are lucky to have Ricki as coach. He may not try to, but surely he's always trying to do a dual role well.

I just think that any other club or any other coach would choose the best player rather than taking kiwis as priority.

Yip totally. I understand that people don't like him but there's quite a bit of excessive swearing and it's all a little over the top for a kid doing something that lots of us have done before. If he plays good then sign him.

If he is signed then we know he will be commited

+1. The last thing we need to do is waste time and money on players who won't get the chance to contribute, at the potential expense of their development, just to appease to those who find parochialism more important than performance.

Is there a new information about the re-signing of Christie and are there already candidates for a possible 4th central defender? schuladen2009-05-02 06:06:05

Think they'll defer the Christie decision until very late, depending on how the recruitment goes.

No news on another centre-back, but I wouldn't be surprised if they take the youth road for that.

Looks like RH and TP are active in the UK market again. I just saw this on the BBC rumour mill:

Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano has turned down an approach from an unnamed club.

"He has already said no to one club, a good side. He wants to stay but he cannot stop big clubs asking about him," said Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez. (Press Association)

Haha I just knew it was the Nix

Not if we sign Kruse and Crowther, can imports also fill the youth requirements?Oska2009-05-02 11:37:49

Yeah they can.  Hearfield did for us last season.

Edit:  Strictly speaking Hearfield is an Aussie (thus not an import) but those players you mentioned are also Aussie.
loyalgunner2009-05-02 12:58:41

Maybe if we got Kruse he could share a flat with Jesse Ryder.....they would have a lot in common!!!!!

would there flat have any windows left?

Whitby boy2009-05-02 15:55:21

lookin good. esp if this all works out for this season

Yeah I pretty much agree with you.
We do need some quality backs and I'd really like to see Lochy pushed for his spot for once.

I dunno about signing 2 of those 3 though...? As well as *Targetman* ? I think it'd have to be Kruse and Krishna in my opinion and we would have to be looking to play them wide as well. I just hope that if we sign so many strikers that they will all get a shot. Possibly a CM/CDM  reserve as well although I guess we have Ferante?

I'm happy with who we'd get for the youth but I'm wondering if we could find someone younger? Even if we have four under 21's, I just don't like the idea of having to go throught the process of finding 3 20 year olds each season.. Perhaps costa, Kruse, Crowther and maybe a young CB? someone who can step up his game and really learn to play under Dura and Siggy. But obviously getting game time.

imo we should sign one out of the 3 (Krishna, Kruse and Correles). We've already got 2 players in similar moulds -  Hearfield and Costa.

Krishna can be a attacking mid cant he? And Kruse can be signed as a wide player ?

i wouldn't say we need another attacking midfielder. We have daniel,bertos,diego and still that possibility of fred who are all attack minded. it would be good to get a all round CM because we don't really have the kind of midfielders that can both score and defend

Tim Brown?

Exactly, given that the 3 U21 players rule is for developing Aussy (and in our case Kiwi) talent, therefore say a Brazilian U21 wouldn't count towards filling our 3 slots.