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Phoenix Transfer - speculation

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Kruise kontrol was off last year, compared to his first very good season, when he was dynamic at times.

But that can happen. And players can come back from it.

I wonder though if this is a real report about the Nix interest or just something put out by him/his management to try and evoke a contract from the Roar. Havent heard anything from the Nix management denying it, (not that hey tell me anything anyway)
 
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Did Kruse even play last year/

a.haak

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
See, Zullo, definitely.  You do have to wonder though why there is no chance we could ever sign Zullo but Kruse is available... this from a club who prattle on about the quality of players they develop.



They have done pretty well though, Zullo, Kruse, Minniecon, Oar

Wouldnt mind if we can prattle like that

Be great if at the end if the year people over the ditch are talking admiringly about Costa and Krishna


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
See, Zullo, definitely.  You do have to wonder though why there is no chance we could ever sign Zullo but Kruse is available... this from a club who prattle on about the quality of players they develop.

I'm not certain Krishna isn't there skillwise either.  He's fast, can control a ball and finish a chance... that alone is one more thing than most A-League strikers can manage.  Sure, he's more raw, but if the way he has improved as a general player at Waitak is duplicated at the Phoenix he'll be too good for the A-League in a couple of seasons.

Kruse is having to start from scratch again, to prove that he's more than just a lightweight Joel Griffiths wannabe.

Plus I'm sure that after his trial last year Ricki would have sat down with Krishna and pointed out what he needed to work on.

The fact that he did improve last season and the Nix have asked him back for a longer trial says a helluva lot. Unless he completely screws the pooch with his trial I expect us to sign him.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Kruse? For f**ks sake. Are we that desperate?! He's  a f**king rubbish player. Sorry, but nix player ot not, I'm never gonna support that pig nosed c**t.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yeah hes pretty crap.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Malky wrote:
Hard News wrote:
See, Zullo, definitely.  You do have to wonder though why there is no chance we could ever sign Zullo but Kruse is available... this from a club who prattle on about the quality of players they develop.

I'm not certain Krishna isn't there skillwise either.  He's fast, can control a ball and finish a chance... that alone is one more thing than most A-League strikers can manage.  Sure, he's more raw, but if the way he has improved as a general player at Waitak is duplicated at the Phoenix he'll be too good for the A-League in a couple of seasons.

Kruse is having to start from scratch again, to prove that he's more than just a lightweight Joel Griffiths wannabe.

Plus I'm sure that after his trial last year Ricki would have sat down with Krishna and pointed out what he needed to work on.

The fact that he did improve last season and the Nix have asked him back for a longer trial says a helluva lot. Unless he completely screws the pooch with his trial I expect us to sign him.



Agreed. He should be signed.

I'm getting the feeling that some people are slightly passionate about this Kruse topic

I personally think Kruse could be a good acquisition but he really needs to be looked at. If he's not firing then don't bet on him. he has potential but maybe not worth the risk in the place of Krishna.

playwithFire2009-04-30 21:54:38


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
newzealandpower wrote:
We had Draper, Spoonely and Costa for 2 years, with the 1st two never appearing for the first team and the second - perhaps unfairly - not getting much of a chance to shine.
 


Draper played for the first time in our final match of our first season, against CCM. But your point still stands
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Paulinho wrote:

i decided to post instead of telling bigtobz to get back to work...

According to wiki, Crowther "is in the unique situation of being able to play for four countries. Republic of Ireland, Australia, United States and England"
 
 
what that means in terms of imports is beyond me - especially as he may not have Oz citizenship.
 
if he hasn't played for Oz nothing is stopping him declaring for one of the others. Also, presumably if he was in NZ long enough he would become eligible for us...
 


I'm pretty sure it's a matter of actual citizenship, not FIFA citizenship. That's why Smeltzy doesn't count as an import for Gold Coast. LG's link reads "The 20-year-old American born keeper spent his foremost years growing up in Australia and moved over to England to join QPR in 2006", plus Wikipedia saying he left the US when he was 3 = 14 years in Australia. Surely he's got his Aus citizenship? Smeltz didn't need to because NZers don't need visas, but Americans don't have that privelage.

As for naturalisation - If he doesn't play for any other country, he could play for NZ in 5 years.


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
robbwatson wrote:
newzealandpower wrote:
We had Draper, Spoonely and Costa for 2 years, with the 1st two never appearing for the first team and the second - perhaps unfairly - not getting much of a chance to shine.
 


Draper played for the first time in our final match of our first season, against CCM. But your point still stands
 
I knew that someone was gonna say that... I intentionally counted his as never being capped for the nix..cause one game....I mean, Fred played more than Draper..and he was a guest player whose contract ended early due to tragic circumstances!!!! :)

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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newzealandpower wrote:
 
I knew that someone was gonna say that... I intentionally counted his as never being capped for the nix..cause one game....I mean, Fred played more than Draper..and he was a guest player whose contract ended early due to tragic circumstances!!!! :)


Haha I don't disagree with you, I was just being anal I also would have liked to see him given a bit more of a chance, he didn't do too badly against CCM either IIRC
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
robbwatson wrote:
newzealandpower wrote:
 
I knew that someone was gonna say that... I intentionally counted his as never being capped for the nix..cause one game....I mean, Fred played more than Draper..and he was a guest player whose contract ended early due to tragic circumstances!!!! :)


Haha I don't disagree with you, I was just being anal I also would have liked to see him given a bit more of a chance, he didn't do too badly against CCM either IIRC


Yeah he wasn't bad. It was quite unfair to not give him any real chance. Esp when we didnt have two proven strikers.
He's done well playing for NZ so hopefully he will continue to grow and perhaps return to the A-League in 2 to 3 years?


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Kruse would be handy, but I would want him as an impact player from the bench. Hopefully Krishna would be better.

Obviously Roar don't rate him as highly as Zullo. The question is whether he can improve at another club.

Is he only a forward or a winger too?

This article from Feb says Roar don't want a bidding war.
 http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24992272-5003412,00.html
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bevan wrote:
I think Kruse would be handy, but I would want him as an impact player from the bench. Hopefully Krishna would be better.

Obviously Roar don't rate him as highly as Zullo. The question is whether he can improve at another club.

Is he only a forward or a winger too?

This article from Feb says Roar don't want a bidding war.
 http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24992272-5003412,00.html


That was back in Feb. Jets and CCM didn't get him, no word on Melbourne, so it looks between us and a half-hearted Brisbane.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Kruse was a twat!! But at the same time, i rembere him being agood player. A good thing for the nix??

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
At first I was in favour of Kruse coming to the Phoenix even though he's a pratt but I've changed my mind and think we should go for him only if we're desperate.  I really hope to see Krishna with the Phoenix next season, will be very disappointed if he's not.  Still think Jack Pelter in central defence is a good idea, though I heard somewhere that he's now somewhat porky so I guess that would be a factor (provided it's true).
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jack Pelter is doing a great job of blocking up Matt Calcott's back end at Wilson United in the Big Travel league.

He's anything but out of shape.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Robbie Kruse is the new Adam Kwasnik

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dino10 wrote:

Robbie Kruse is the new Adam Kwasnik


Thats a bit disrespectful to Kwasnik. Kwasnik is rubbish, but hes nowhere near as bad as Kruse.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Tony P on radio this morning confirmed we are looking at Kruse.
 
Questions that need to be asked;
 
Will he add value, as a player, to the squad ?
Everyone clearly has their views - which are obviously polarised. Answer for me is yes - he has skill, pace, can score and, most importantly, plenty of potential (good enough to be Australian U17 and U20 international). We need to sign 2 youth players and my preference is to sign youth players who could seriously push for a starting spot - he fits that bill.
 
Does he come with too much baggage ?
I think there is a big difference between a teenager behaving like a pratt (don't they all at some stage ?) and a player in his mid to late 20s with behaviour problems. The former you can potentially sort out - for the later the die is cast. I think we now have the leadership (Sigmund, Brown, McKain, Greenacre ....) and team culture for it to be very clear what is and isn't acceptable behaviour to a youngster sorting himself out - as he appears to want to do. We have also made it clear, by sacking Lay Lay Down, tosers won't be tolerated.
 
Give the kid a chance. With mentoring and guidance I think he could be a very good player for us in the future.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good questions W-Boy,
   I think he will add value to the squad. Let's not forget that, were it not for Smeltzy, last year the rest of the team scored bugger-all goals. At one point we were relying on Hearfield!! Remember when he kinda-pushed Cornwhite to score an Own goal and then celebrated as if he had scored a goal from 50 yards out??? To me that was a new low!

So yes, bring Kruse on. Bertos couldn't score in a brothel last year, McKain never pokes his head in the box due to his defensive duties, Dodd I don't need to talk about...so having perhaps Brown, Kruse and Lia helping out the strikers in terms of goals can only be good!

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
robbwatson wrote:

Paulinho wrote:

i decided to post instead of telling bigtobz to get back to work...


According to wiki, Crowther "is in the unique situation of being able to play for four countries. Republic of Ireland, Australia, United States and England"

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what that means in terms of imports is beyond me - especially as he may not have Oz citizenship.
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if he hasn't played for Oz nothing is stopping him declaring for one of the others. Also, presumably if he was in NZ long enough he would become eligible for us...

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I'm pretty sure it's a matter of actual citizenship, not FIFA citizenship. That's why Smeltzy doesn't count as an import for Gold Coast. LG's link reads "The 20-year-old American born keeper spent his foremost years growing
up in Australia and moved over to England to join QPR in 2006", plus Wikipedia saying he left the US when he was 3 = 14 years in Australia. Surely he's got his Aus citizenship? Smeltz didn't need to because NZers don't need visas, but Americans don't have that privelage.As for naturalisation - If he doesn't play for any other country, he could play for NZ in 5 years.


Is right - if he hasn't played any international football so far, and he spends 5 years living in NZ, he'd be eligible for the AWs.

The 'declare before 21 rule' only applies in cases where players who are eligible to play for more than one country play age-grade international football for one of them. Such players have until their 21st birthday to decide which country they wish to play for - i.e. if they wish to continue to make themselves available for the country they'd been playing for, or swith to make themselves available for the other country they're eligible to represent. If they don't make any such declaration, then they're stuck with the country they played age-grade international football for.

Also note that this rule only applies for players in age-grade teams, not full internationals. Once a player plays a competetive full international fixture, he can't change any more, regardless of his age.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Tony P on radio this morning confirmed we are looking at Kruse.
 
Questions that need to be asked;
 
Will he add value, as a player, to the squad ?
Everyone clearly has their views - which are obviously polarised. Answer for me is yes - he has skill, pace, can score and, most importantly, plenty of potential (good enough to be Australian U17 and U20 international). We need to sign 2 youth players and my preference is to sign youth players who could seriously push for a starting spot - he fits that bill.
 
Does he come with too much baggage ?
I think there is a big difference between a teenager behaving like a pratt (don't they all at some stage ?) and a player in his mid to late 20s with behaviour problems. The former you can potentially sort out - for the later the die is cast. I think we now have the leadership (Sigmund, Brown, McKain, Greenacre ....) and team culture for it to be very clear what is and isn't acceptable behaviour to a youngster sorting himself out - as he appears to want to do. We have also made it clear, by sacking Lay Lay Down, tosers won't be tolerated.
 
Give the kid a chance. With mentoring and guidance I think he could be a very good player for us in the future.
 
100% agree.
Give him a shot. But only if he is in form. It sounds like he may be thinking he will choose to come here, but first he's gonna have to prove his worth. If he back to his blistering best from 2 seasons ago, then why not?
Pace and eye for goal?
 
Just I do want to see Krishna signed, and I'm thinking that the only way they would sign both was if they couldn't push for a *targetman*.
I think they need to keep going with this other overseas striker and don't settle because we have lots of options already. Strive for more. Take Kruse as an option but keep looking at the talent and potential and don't give up.
 
We could possibly sign all 3 (Kruse, Krishna and *Targetman*) If you consider playing Kruse wide, but there's no way we will sign Corrales and Krishna and a overseas striker and Kruse.
 
Management is going to have to really investigate and do thorough research into these signings because the attacking third is the desperate improvement we need.
 
 


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
There are 2 things that I remember about Kruse from his d�but season, his first start against us and scoring and looking promising, the second was when the roar played here and he was terrible the whole time he was on, roar might as well have been a man down for that whole time. 
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I'd hate to think we're thinking of this excuse for a footballer as our 2nd striker (Greenie being the 1st and Cor/Kris being the 3rd.) He's lighweight, overrated, over confident, and most of all, a w**ker.

I couldn't think of a player I hate more.
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Wolfben wrote:
I'd hate to think we're thinking of this excuse for a footballer as our 2nd striker (Greenie being the 1st and Cor/Kris being the 3rd.) He's lighweight, overrated, over confident, and most of all, a w**ker.

I couldn't think of a player I hate more.


Really?

E + R + O

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
C'mon News... better out than in mate!!!

Whats the T5???


Current... not historical (little that ther is)

E + R + O

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Tiatto
Kruse
Gold Coast
Ben Williams

No Joel Griffiths makes a top 5 more difficult.



Nut puncher comes outta mine too... but I've sustituted him with Adam, who is guilty by association (well, relation) and also the GCU thing.

Also have Williams, Gumprecht,  and Porter earns a double spot for ditching us and going GCU. My non-playing reserves (will need two for when Porter trips over a meter maid and breaks a nail) are J Aloisi and Harnwell.

E + R + O

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How can you hate J Aloisi? He was great till he went to Sydney.
 
Anyways, im not convinced about us signing Kruse.
 
If the Roar don't want him then he can't be that impressive..  but maybe can pick him up for cheap and maybe he just needs a fresh start..
Have Krishna/Kruse and the new Hitman.
 
And what is happening with the Phoenix Youth team this year? Will it have one in the NZFC?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SurgeQld wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
I'd hate to think we're thinking of this excuse for a footballer as our 2nd striker (Greenie being the 1st and Cor/Kris being the 3rd.) He's lighweight, overrated, over confident, and most of all, a w**ker.

I couldn't think of a player I hate more.


Really?


In the a-league, at least.

Anyone on here who thinks a Kruse-Greenie strike force will be a top 6 finisher this season, is sadly mistaken.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wolfben wrote:

Anyone on here who thinks a Kruse-Greenie strike force will be a top 6 finisher this season, is sadly mistaken.


It would do wonders for bar owners in Wellington though.

Or maybe I'm thinking of another Greenie...

el grapadura2009-05-01 12:07:39
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wolfben wrote:
SurgeQld wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
I'd hate to think we're thinking of this excuse for a footballer as our 2nd striker (Greenie being the 1st and Cor/Kris being the 3rd.) He's lighweight, overrated, over confident, and most of all, a w**ker.

I couldn't think of a player I hate more.


Really?


In the a-league, at least.

Anyone on here who thinks a Kruse-Greenie strike force will be a top 6 finisher this season, is sadly mistaken.
 
ok you dont like Kruse - youve made your point. Fortunately you dont coach the Nix

Founder

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
TiattoKruseGold CoastBen WilliamsNo Joel Griffiths makes a top 5 more difficult.


No Robbie Cornthwaite?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Or Liam Reddy?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hockeycam wrote:
How can you hate J Aloisi? He was great till he went to Sydney.
 
Anyways, im not convinced about us signing Kruse.
 
If the Roar don't want him then he can't be that impressive..  but maybe can pick him up for cheap and maybe he just needs a fresh start..
Have Krishna/Kruse and the new Hitman.
 
And what is happening with the Phoenix Youth team this year? Will it have one in the NZFC?


Exactly.

SurgeQld2009-05-01 12:34:23
E + R + O

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