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Phoenix Transfer - speculation

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"DC United have an option to sign Fred for another year, but it is understood he is keen on a move back Down Under."

 
"He's the person we'd consider in terms of a marquee player, but I don't think we'd go for a guest."
 
all the right stuff coming out of the article.
And im glad he wont be considered as a guest because he might just be a bit of a distraction especially when the stint ends.
 
Just hope that other Aussie clubs arent as quick to make an offer, but they probably will be. But only we and the MAriners dont have Marquees if I remember right


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hope he comes back as a permanent marquee. How about we do a trade with Dc they can have Ferrante, mulligan and Diego for Fred?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
holy sh*te.... this is great news to see first thing on a work day :D Cmon Tony/ Terry/ Ricki, work you magic once more!!! 
 
           Greenacre     Ifill
Bertos           Fred           Daniel
                   Brown
 
What a combo!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man i want Fred so much i him. Would pose huge selectiopn trouble though with players in good form to just dump them to the bench would be harsh
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Id be up for that trade.  lol. well i actually would like Fred to get the number 10.  hmmm we'd have to drop lia or Brown to fit him in the lineup.

Unless you drop Daniel or Bertos?
Na would have to leave Brown in the middle I guess. Lia super sub. and Brown will accumulate yellow cards anyway lol.
 
             Brown
Bertos                 Daniel    
              FRED
       Greenacre Ifill
 
exciting


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Shogan wrote:
Man i want Fred so much i him. Would pose huge selectiopn trouble though with players in good form to just dump them to the bench would be harsh
Yeah but thats the harsh reality of football. And usually if you have preoven yourself, you wont be forgotten
 


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playwithFire wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Man i want Fred so much i him. Would pose huge selectiopn trouble though with players in good form to just dump them to the bench would be harsh
Yeah but thats the harsh reality of football. And usually if you have preoven yourself, you wont be forgotten
 
 Unfortunatly it would mean to have to take lia or someone else for him but if it has to happen it has to happen
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Shogan wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
Shogan wrote:
Man i want Fred so much i him. Would pose huge selectiopn trouble though with players in good form to just dump them to the bench would be harsh
Yeah but thats the harsh reality of football. And usually if you have preoven yourself, you wont be forgotten
 
 Unfortunatly it would mean to have to take lia or someone else for him but if it has to happen it has to happen
 
As mentioned somewhere else though, Brown will no doubt receive a suspension at some stage so Lia will get a chance to shine eventually.
 
Better to have to many good players to choose from then the opposite!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lia is shining already.  He has been fantastic in recent weeks.

Based on the weekend I reckon Leo might be the one looking over his shoulder should Fred turn up.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Lia is shining already.  He has been fantastic in recent weeks.

Based on the weekend I reckon Leo might be the one looking over his shoulder should Fred turn up.

Lia has been outplaying Brown in midfield IMO.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lia still gives away way too many free kicks in dangerous positions for mine though I guess that just comes with the territory of being a DM

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:
Lia is shining already.  He has been fantastic in recent weeks.

Based on the weekend I reckon Leo might be the one looking over his shoulder should Fred turn up.

Lia has been outplaying Brown in midfield IMO.

Plus they have been playing different roles.

Lia is definitely DM while Brown has been getting forward more. If you're going to play Fred in the middle then he's a swap for Brown.

And I agree Lia has been awesome recently.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Could.'t think of who would be in trouble if we got him. But to drop Brown or Daniell at this stage would be rough as. Leo and Lia would be the ones  trouble i think

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
dropping lia would be like dropping a bomb
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we can see this season what we missed last season when he was injured
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Diego and caceras wont be happy if we did get him.
 
I'd expect Diego to look at an early release if we signed Fred. I can't see him being happy with an even smaller chance of playing.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Well Diego is just about forgotten already

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:
Well Diego is just about forgotten already
 
 
And Ferrente.. And Mulligan..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
scoop wrote:
Could.'t think of who would be in trouble if we got him. But to drop Brown or Daniell at this stage would be rough as. Leo and Lia would be the ones  trouble i think
 
probably have to disagree on this one I would rather have Lia anytime then Brown who dont get me wrong has been playing well but I think that LIa has more in his locker

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wouldn't say no to Fred that's for sure. However, I wonder if perhaps we should sign a player of equal talent elsewhere on the pitch. Like another mean centre back or even better another striker to give us more options. Very happy with Ifill and Greenacre, but surely if we signed a sensational player even if only for 7 games that would increase our chances of winning games.
 

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?
His range of passing for a start....
Use of his body to protect the ball
Vision
Positional play
Ability to dictate play
Tackling technique
 
Need I go on???
 
To provide a balanced viewpoint and be fair to Browny though,
 
He does outshines Lia in his ability to make well timed forward runs and obviously scores critical goals  for us.
 
Overall though, in terms of a midfield partner for the likes of a creative AM like Fred, Vinny has more of the right attributes for mine and is perhaps a little more consistent
 
Browny has surprised me with his form recently and as a pair, him and Lia are developing a good combo so would be a shame to break them up
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
RH said an injury replacement for McKain will probably come in ... Andy Boyens ? Has been or will be training with the team and good to get in some game time before the 14th. And would be a decent CB option.
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I'd be surprised if it was an NZFC player.  Four weeks training with the Phoenix and no likelihood of a game unless Siggy and Dura get borked. Then there would be stand downs and issues with the move between nations and the professional to amateur siwtch so they couldn't play NZFC for a while either.

I have a sneaky feeling that Boyens and Si Elliott training with the Phoenix might be an option.  Not sure when the deals they have finish but could loan if they aren't free.  Like Simon said (ARF) Boyens in particular would seem obvious cover.
Hard News2009-10-31 17:29:50

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dennis Ibrahim wrote:
valeo wrote:
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?
His range of passing for a start....
Use of his body to protect the ball
Vision
Positional play
Ability to dictate play
Tackling technique
 


Tackling technique? Seriously? He is one of the worst tacklers in the A-League. Has put in some shockers and constantly gives away free kicks in dangerous positions. He is good at running around and hurrying players, intercepting passes and shows good strength etc. but I have seen no 'range of passing' or 'vision' or anything else you listed. Give me some examples because i'm struggling to think of any.

I like him but he's being overated by some.
valeo2009-10-31 20:14:44

a.haak

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Dennis Ibrahim wrote:
valeo wrote:
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?
His range of passing for a start....
Use of his body to protect the ball
Vision
Positional play
Ability to dictate play
Tackling technique
 
Need I go on???
 
To provide a balanced viewpoint and be fair to Browny though,
 
He does outshines Lia in his ability to make well timed forward runs and obviously scores critical goals  for us.
 
Overall though, in terms of a midfield partner for the likes of a creative AM like Fred, Vinny has more of the right attributes for mine and is perhaps a little more consistent
 
Browny has surprised me with his form recently and as a pair, him and Lia are developing a good combo so would be a shame to break them up
 
i have thought for some time that Lia gets away with murder with some of his tackles
 
other players would almost certainly pick up yellows for stuff that Vinny (the baby-faced assassin) hardly gets a second glance for
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Dennis Ibrahim wrote:
valeo wrote:
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?
His range of passing for a start....
Use of his body to protect the ball
Vision
Positional play
Ability to dictate play
Tackling technique
 


Tackling technique? Seriously? He is one of the worst tacklers in the A-League. Has put in some shockers and constantly gives away free kicks in dangerous positions. He is good at running around and hurrying players, intercepting passes and shows good strength etc. but I have seen no 'range of passing' or 'vision' or anything else you listed. Give me some examples because i'm struggling to think of any.

I like him but he's being overated by some.
He goes in hard but generally without his studs showing which I cannot always say about Browny... Agree he gives away plenty of free kicks but they are generally pretty "sensible fouls" which any DM should be doing.
 
IMO he has a good range of passing and switches the point of attack far better than Browny has been able to, his long range switches/diagonal balls are accurate and he gives away far less ball than anyone else we have had in that position. Examples, watch the next game closely and you'll see a few, one in particular against GC, hit it about 50 metres diagonally straight to the feet of Daniel which put him in a 1 v1 resulting in Thwaite being done like a dinner.......
 
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
Dennis Ibrahim wrote:
valeo wrote:
How does Lia 'have more in his locker' exactly?
His range of passing for a start....
Use of his body to protect the ball
Vision
Positional play
Ability to dictate play
Tackling technique
 


Tackling technique? Seriously? He is one of the worst tacklers in the A-League. Has put in some shockers and constantly gives away free kicks in dangerous positions. He is good at running around and hurrying players, intercepting passes and shows good strength etc. but I have seen no 'range of passing' or 'vision' or anything else you listed. Give me some examples because i'm struggling to think of any.

I like him but he's being overated by some.
 
2m 35 in
Feverish2009-10-31 21:31:12

Founder

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Hard News wrote:
I'd be surprised if it was an NZFC player.  Four weeks training with the Phoenix and no likelihood of a game unless Siggy and Dura get borked. Then there would be stand downs and issues with the move between nations and the professional to amateur siwtch so they couldn't play NZFC for a while either.

I have a sneaky feeling that Boyens and Si Elliott training with the Phoenix might be an option.  Not sure when the deals they have finish but could loan if they aren't free.  Like Simon said (ARF) Boyens in particular would seem obvious cover.
i dont think boyens can play on the right can he? he is a centre backs centre back from what ive seen, but maybe he's more versatile - i havent seen heaps of him in fairness
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
We want cover for McKain... why does he need to play on the right ?
So mulligan has no chance wat so ever of playing in a competitve nix game again at rb.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We're talking about the paper saying they will bring in injury cover for McKain.  Not sure how RB has even become part of the discussion.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's always handy if an injury replacement can play in a variety of positions but yea, see what you mean...... Everton FC2009-11-01 01:15:01
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
since when has Manny needed to be covered?

Boyens to sign a guest stint and play on wednesday
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
McKain's temporary replacement (6 weeks) to be James Musa from Wanganui?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10606562
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Really....
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