I didn't see it is not a valid reason, he's supposed to be watching the ball and the players around it, what was he watching if he wasn't watching a shot on goal?
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I didn't see it is not a valid reason, he's supposed to be watching the ball and the players around it, what was he watching if he wasn't watching a shot on goal?
There were other instances when he has seen an indiscretion and played advantage but did not go back to administer a yellow, Germano's lengthy shirt grab for instance. Germano committed another professional foul shortly afterwards and did get a yellow - if had received the yellow for the shirt tug he would either not illegally stopped a promising attack or picked up his 2nd yellow.
I didn't see it is not a valid reason, he's supposed to be watching the ball and the players around it, what was he watching if he wasn't watching a shot on goal?
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Of course it is possible to miis something like that. At any one time there are 22 different players who may obscure his view. Even sinple geometry of angles works against a ref from time to time. While not supporting him there are plenty of reasons for a ref to simply not see something
especially when you're looking the other way - I'm not 100% certain where williams was when the ball struck the arm, and sure he could have been unsighted however - if he was unsighted then he wasn't doing his job properly and secondly his assistants let him down badly. Also I don't recall there being a hoard of players in anyone's way when the shot was made.
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I'm certain its probably used in football officiating as well as other sports I'm more aware of referee-wise, but if you didn't see the whole of the incident, you shouldn't rule on it. That might explain a 'no call situation' angles will also play a part in how an incidenty is seen - but if you saw the whole incident and it looked a certain way to you, you need to call it that way surely? I totally agree with others that the assistants should have played a bigger part and I fully expect our elite officials to be right 99% of the time, in the right position to make calls and to be watching the game closely, otherwise we might as well use a substitute from each side to referee a half each.....
I'm certain its probably used in football officiating as well as other sports I'm more aware of referee-wise, but if you didn't see the whole of the incident, you shouldn't rule on it. That might explain a 'no call situation' angles will also play a part in how an incidenty is seen - but if you saw the whole incident and it looked a certain way to you, you need to call it that way surely? I totally agree with others that the assistants should have played a bigger part and I fully expect our elite officials to be right 99% of the time, in the right position to make calls and to be watching the game closely, otherwise we might as well use a substitute from each side to referee a half each.....
if this ^ is the case and the ref genuinely missed a clear moment opf cheating in the game then this is where the 4th official needs to have the ability to talk to the ref and advise he's seens something. They have the technology to coomunicate the 4th official is watching the game on telly so can see the same as the crowd - there was no need for replays on that particular play so he could have buzzed the ref and advised him that there was a handball in the box.
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if this ^ is the case and the ref genuinely missed a clear moment opf cheating in the game then this is where the 4th official needs to have the ability to talk to the ref and advise he's seens something. They have the technology to coomunicate the 4th official is watching the game on telly so can see the same as the crowd - there was no need for replays on that particular play so he could have buzzed the ref and advised him that there was a handball in the box.
4th officials can rule on things they've seen on the field, it's just that the lino's are usually closer. They can't watch a replay and advise the ref based on the video evidence though, they have to actually see it.
if the 4th official was watchng the smae feed as we were watching he's have seen the handball clear as day - why no call??
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My guess is when you are standing on the sideline of a pitch between two boxes and see an incident that occurs 50ish metre away with a referee closer, it would take big brave balls to overrule the guy that's closer (and also WC bound)
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if the 4th official was watchng the smae feed as we were watching he's have seen the handball clear as day - why no call??
Because the 4th official is wahtching the game, he's not watching on telly and he's not watching replays. He was also 50 yards away, probably with players between him and the incident.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Missing one incident is perhaps understandable, missing a number of other incidents or misinterpreting other ones is the galling part
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
especially when you're looking the other way - I'm not 100% certain where williams was when the ball struck the arm, and sure he could have been unsighted however - if he was unsighted then he wasn't doing his job properly and secondly his assistants let him down badly. Also I don't recall there being a hoard of players in anyone's way when the shot was made.
1. His boss has already come out and publicly said he didn't do his job properly on this occasion. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
2. The AR closest to the incident would have been looking at it from behind, so it would have been extremely difficult for him to see whether it struck the arm or the chest
3. We have no idea what was on the eyeline of the other AR when the incident happened
4. The 4th Official isn't watching the game on TV, or watching video replays, so he is not in a position to make the referee aware of things if he hasn't seen them.
For somebody who has "reffed a lot of games", you seem oblivious to the fact that having your angles out by as little as a metre, or even less, can give you a totally different perspective on incidents which seem obvious to everyone else. I once gave a penalty in a game in Wellington which everyone on the team which was penalised went nuts about, big time. No one saw the hand ball but me, apparently. It was only after the game that the keper admitted to me that he had seen it and that it was a penalty. All about angles, and it works both ways. I've also "reffed a lot of games", in an official capacity, for the past 17 years, refs make mistakes. It happens. I've never met one who makes mistakes on purpose, which is what you seem hell bent on suggesting.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Someone was struggling to find a post-match interview for this game because the FFA's one is glitched and the Fox's one is geoblocked?
Anyway there is one on TV3 so http://www.3news.co.nz/Video-Post-match-reaction-after-Wellington-Phoenix-draw-2-2-with-Melbourne-Heart/tabid/415/articleID/336201/Default.aspx there it is in case anyone else wanted to watch it.
"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"
especially when you're looking the other way - I'm not 100% certain where williams was when the ball struck the arm, and sure he could have been unsighted however - if he was unsighted then he wasn't doing his job properly and secondly his assistants let him down badly. Also I don't recall there being a hoard of players in anyone's way when the shot was made.
1. His boss has already come out and publicly said he didn't do his job properly on this occasion. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
2. The AR closest to the incident would have been looking at it from behind, so it would have been extremely difficult for him to see whether it struck the arm or the chest
3. We have no idea what was on the eyeline of the other AR when the incident happened
4. The 4th Official isn't watching the game on TV, or watching video replays, so he is not in a position to make the referee aware of things if he hasn't seen them.
For somebody who has "reffed a lot of games", you seem oblivious to the fact that having your angles out by as little as a metre, or even less, can give you a totally different perspective on incidents which seem obvious to everyone else. I once gave a penalty in a game in Wellington which everyone on the team which was penalised went nuts about, big time. No one saw the hand ball but me, apparently. It was only after the game that the keper admitted to me that he had seen it and that it was a penalty. All about angles, and it works both ways. I've also "reffed a lot of games", in an official capacity, for the past 17 years, refs make mistakes. It happens. I've never met one who makes mistakes on purpose, which is what you seem hell bent on suggesting.
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