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2017/18 Transfer Speculation

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almost 9 years ago

valeo wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

james dean wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

james dean wrote:

Baiter wrote:

So what you are saying is we need a keeper better than Moss.  Younger than Moss. Not an import.

Luckily there are hundreds of those floating around...

Why not make a statement and try and sign Gleeson?

Because it's unrealistic. 

1. He's a young footballer growing his career overseas (made 28 starts for the first team last year - don't know what happened this season)

2. His wages will likely be higher than we can afford

3. He's still in contract until the end of the year

4. Even if we could sell it to him, he's valued at 750k so unaffordable

We all want the team to get the best manager and players, but you have to be realistic. We're a small club, finishing outside the play offs, playing in a mostly undesirable league for young up and coming player.

He's on US$115k.  He's probably in line for an upgraded contract but we can certainly afford to pay those wages.  What's in it for him?  Possible All White spot on offer, maybe he wants to return to NZ.  Kosta was a starter for the top team in the comp and we got him back.

Where'd you get the $115k figure? Sure we could pay that, but he's still in contract until the end of the year and an All Whites call up will happen irrespective of where he's playing (provided he's good enough). Kosta wanted to close to his family, Gleeson may want to, but lets not kid ourselves our negotiation skills would make us a better prospect.



https://www.mlsplayers.org/images/April%2015,%2020...

So $155,200ish AUD. Wonder how much Moss was on?

It's a pity the seasons are out of sync because the public availability of MLS wages must make negotiations easier for clubs.

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almost 9 years ago

james dean wrote:

Why not make a statement and try and sign Gleeson?

Well, we've had Reddy, why not another drunk keeper?


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almost 9 years ago

Doloras wrote:

james dean wrote:

Why not make a statement and try and sign Gleeson?

Well, we've had Reddy, why not another drunk keeper?

One swallow does not a summer make...

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almost 9 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Doloras wrote:

james dean wrote:

Why not make a statement and try and sign Gleeson?

Well, we've had Reddy, why not another drunk keeper?

One swallow does not a summer make...

We could have one done for us in WPX colours, with black and yellow motifs.  

Any local crafties keen to be associated with a famous Wgtn brand?

I mean, sure we are a bit of a garage project, but not something you would call a parrot dog.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Doloras wrote:

james dean wrote:

Why not make a statement and try and sign Gleeson?

Well, we've had Reddy, why not another drunk keeper?

One swallow does not a summer make...

If he'd only had one swallow, there would have been no problem.


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almost 9 years ago
Surely Alex Cisak's a good shout? Aussie, just been relegated from League 2 with Orient
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almost 9 years ago

Never heard of em. Hope the new coach has I guess.

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almost 9 years ago

yup cya roly . thanks for the long range crackers!!!!!!!

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almost 9 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Baiter wrote:

So what you are saying is we need a keeper better than Moss.  Younger than Moss. Not an import.

Luckily there are hundreds of those floating around...

Only ticks two of those boxes.

At least he ticks the right two. With game time etc he can get better but if he was a 35 year old Bulgarian he couldn't all of a sudden get younger or un-Bulgarian.

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almost 9 years ago

Silent_Assassin wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Baiter wrote:

So what you are saying is we need a keeper better than Moss.  Younger than Moss. Not an import.

Luckily there are hundreds of those floating around...

Only ticks two of those boxes.

At least he ticks the right two. With game time etc he can get better but if he was a 35 year old Bulgarian he couldn't all of a sudden get younger or un-Bulgarian.

He's had plenty of game time at the club (mainly for the WeeNix), and he hasn't got any better in the areas that are the concerns... so I'm not sure why just giving him more gametime willy nilly would change that at all.


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almost 9 years ago

Silent_Assassin wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Baiter wrote:

So what you are saying is we need a keeper better than Moss.  Younger than Moss. Not an import.

Luckily there are hundreds of those floating around...

Only ticks two of those boxes.

At least he ticks the right two. With game time etc he can get better but if he was a 35 year old Bulgarian he couldn't all of a sudden get younger or un-Bulgarian.

Wrong thread ("next Phoenix coach speculation")

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

From the latest email:

At present, we have fifteen players from last season’s squad contracted for the next campaign, with three or four more to be confirmed in coming weeks



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almost 9 years ago

dunnix wrote:

Played at a good level, young, in a position we need, not an import, coming off contract (as far as I know)

https://www.transfermarkt.com/andy-rose/profil/spi...

Yep, he is off contract. These are the Aussies coming off contract (plus Paartalu who isnt on this list)
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almost 9 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:
Surely Alex Cisak's a good shout? Aussie, just been relegated from League 2 with Orient

Seen Orient play three times this season.  A big NO THANKS.  He let in some proper shockers.

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almost 9 years ago

RR wrote:

Yep, he is off contract. These are the Aussies coming off contract (plus Paartalu who isnt on this list)

Wouldn't mind Scott McDonald, Robbie Kruse or James Meredith. The rest.. Meh. 

Plus I doubt we'd get any of those. 

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patrick478 wrote:

Silent_Assassin wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

Baiter wrote:

So what you are saying is we need a keeper better than Moss.  Younger than Moss. Not an import.

Luckily there are hundreds of those floating around...

Only ticks two of those boxes.

At least he ticks the right two. With game time etc he can get better but if he was a 35 year old Bulgarian he couldn't all of a sudden get younger or un-Bulgarian.

He's had plenty of game time at the club (mainly for the WeeNix), and he hasn't got any better in the areas that are the concerns... so I'm not sure why just giving him more gametime willy nilly would change that at all.

Because goalkeepers get better with time and experience.  Just ask Doloras.

I would retain Italiano ahead of getting an unknown quality keeper from third grade UK comp, unless it is Italiano who wants out.  But why would he? Isn't this his best chance at the Nix to take the prime goalie spot, as Mossy has decamped to Newcastle?  If I was Welnix I would not try to fix what ain't broken, and keep our money for our new coach's shopping list.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

RR wrote:

Yep, he is off contract. These are the Aussies coming off contract (plus Paartalu who isnt on this list)

Wouldn't mind Scott McDonald, Robbie Kruse or James Meredith. The rest.. Meh. 

Plus I doubt we'd get any of those. 

To quote myself, I've just seen Kruse and Holland have been linked with Newcastle. Apparently very injury prone these days.  

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almost 9 years ago

Dont let HN see Kruse name.

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almost 9 years ago

LiamJ wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/sport/927...

This article refers to Sam Mason-Smith as a current Phoenix player? Possibly given up on Watson, but wouldn't SMS use up a visa spot.

he's not a Phoenix striker. Article is wrong.

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almost 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

He's had plenty of game time at the club (mainly for the WeeNix), and he hasn't got any better in the areas that are the concerns... so I'm not sure why just giving him more gametime willy nilly would change that at all.

Because goalkeepers get better with time and experience.  Just ask Doloras.

Hah hah, yes, but you reach an upper limit eventually. I'm not sure I'll get any better, for example. As for Sail, I haven't watched much of him so I'd appreciate other people (particularly keepers or keeper coaches) commenting on whether they see a continuing upward trend.


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almost 9 years ago

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

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almost 9 years ago

TreeFiddy wrote:

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

He had a few good games and a few off ones, enough for me (at least) to think that we should give him a fair shot.



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almost 9 years ago

LiamJ wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/sport/927...

This article refers to Sam Mason-Smith as a current Phoenix player? Possibly given up on Watson, but wouldn't SMS use up a visa spot.

Sams been in NZ since 2011 so may be able to become a Kiwi? Certainly a better option than Watson

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almost 9 years ago

Think someone's just had a shocker there.

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almost 9 years ago

Dan the man with the pan wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

He had a few good games and a few off ones, enough for me (at least) to think that we should give him a fair shot.

In the ASB/SS Premiership Mambo has had some shocking games but he also had a bunch of kids ahead of him most of the time. He was the best keeper in the WA NPL last season and has 3 clean sheets in 6 games at A-League level (small sample size I know), so should at least be looked at by the new Gaffer. Heading back to Aussie in order to get some game time is probably a good move for him, the Gaffer can go see him in person in order to make a decision.
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almost 9 years ago

RR wrote:

Dan the man with the pan wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

He had a few good games and a few off ones, enough for me (at least) to think that we should give him a fair shot.

In the ASB/SS Premiership Mambo has had some shocking games but he also had a bunch of kids ahead of him most of the time. He was the best keeper in the WA NPL last season and has 3 clean sheets in 6 games at A-League level (small sample size I know), so should at least be looked at by the new Gaffer. Heading back to Aussie in order to get some game time is probably a good move for him, the Gaffer can go see him in person in order to make a decision.

He looks like a tipical Nix senior when playing DOWN in reserves. 

We have seen the the best prospects play DOWN when not happy. 

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almost 9 years ago

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almost 9 years ago · edited almost 9 years ago · History

TreeFiddy wrote:

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

I've never said he is the best keeper in the league. I said he is a decent young keeper and has no visa complications or health issues that would be a problem for him to stay at WPX. 

Under normal circumstances he needs a few years before he is a reliable first choice keeper - but with Moss leaving, he is my first choice keeper. It's a great chance for him to prove he should hold down the first keeper spot. I would not cut him loose unless he wanted to go, or unless he ha a better offer elsewhere. Our outfield needs more investment than our goalie.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

TreeFiddy wrote:

Do people honestly rate Italiano? I appreciate he's a young lad and we want him to succeed, but he looked shockingly poor imo. 

I've never said he is the best keeper in the league. I said he is a decent young keeper and has no visa complications or health issues that would be a problem for him to stay at WPX. 

Under normal circumstances he needs a few years before he is a reliable first choice keeper - but with Moss leaving, he is my first choice keeper. It's a great chance for him to prove he should hold down the first keeper spot. I would not cut him loose unless he wanted to go, or unless he ha a better offer elsewhere. Our outfield needs more investment than our goalie.

Wasn't singling you out mate, it was a general comment as I've seen others here who rate him - which I find odd.

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almost 9 years ago

Robbie Kruse?



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almost 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

Robbie Kruse?

He came here once, looked at the training ground and took a taxi straight back to the Airport, so Im thinking its unlikely. Plus he has barely played the last few seasons, not worth the cash he would want.
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almost 9 years ago

RR wrote:

martinb wrote:

Robbie Kruse?

He came here once, looked at the training ground and took a taxi straight back to the Airport, so Im thinking its unlikely. Plus he has barely played the last few seasons, not worth the cash he would want.

Yeah but was that newtown park or the new fangled one we have now?

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almost 9 years ago

He might also violate the no dickheads policy, if the new coach still has that rule.

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bennie99 wrote:

He might also violate the no dickheads policy, if the new coach still has that rule.

If the club observes that policy that may explain why it takes so long to decide / announce the new coach.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 9 years ago

Since we've already signed a contract with a coach, I wonder if we will make a signing or two before he's unveiled?

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Would James Holland be a good shout? or is there a problem with him? Considering he was in China it might be safe to say he won't be affordable, but he could slot in for Lia right?

Chris Herd too, Aussie, just been released from Gillingham. He'd certainly be cheaper, more versatile (whole defense + DM) and less of a dickhead

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almost 9 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:
Would James Holland be a good shout? or is there a problem with him? Considering he was in China it might be safe to say he won't be affordable, but he could slot in for Lia right?

Given the rumours out of Adelaide, sounds like he'd definitely violate the 'no dicks' policy

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almost 9 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

Chris Herd too, Aussie, just been released from Gillingham. He'd certainly be cheaper, more versatile (whole defense + DM) and less of a dickhead

I wouldn't mind giving Chris Herd a go, however given the trouble he had relocating his family to Perth when he played there which eventually caused his relase, it might be a long shot.



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