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2017/18 Transfer Speculation

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over 8 years ago

WeeMac needs to play deeper - no longer has the pace to play out wide.

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over 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

WeeMac needs to play deeper - no longer has the pace to play out wide.

Hudson had it right!

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over 8 years ago

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

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over 8 years ago

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

so for those two to play well in same game you need 4-3-1-2      LOL

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over 8 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

so for those two to play well in same game you need 4-3-1-2      LOL

That's basically a 4-4-2 diamond, and you get no width and struggle to break teams down. 

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over 8 years ago

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?



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over 8 years ago

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

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over 8 years ago

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

well where ever he plays it will be important for our season unless Ridenton, Rufer or Singh exceeds our expectations by enormous amounts...we have to get a good injury free year out of him.



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over 8 years ago

Copuld better off playing WeeMac in the Finkler role and trying to find another club for him. Wasn't convinced last year that he has the legs anymore - not for 90 mins anyway.

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over 8 years ago

WeeMac > Finkler imo   

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over 8 years ago

Different players, Finkler uses his size well and has closer ball control, WeeMac is more mobile and has a bigger engine.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:


We have a top AM in Finckler, a topCM in WeeMac, and backups for both in Singh and Ridenton. We have limited slots and two CMs would be a luxury that we don't need IMHO.

Finkler being a 'top AM' and WeeMac being a 'top CM' are both thoroughly debatable.

Lia, A-Rod and Bonevacia, our 3 best midfielders, have left.

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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

We have a top AM in Finckler, a topCM in WeeMac, and backups for both in Singh and Ridenton. We have limited slots and two CMs would be a luxury that we don't need IMHO.

Finkler being a 'top AM' and WeeMac being a 'top CM' are both thoroughly debatable.

Lia, A-Rod and Bonevacia, our 3 best midfielders, have left.

Bonivacia had one good season with us, massively overrated.

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over 8 years ago

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

I reckon he has enough variety in his game it makes it harder for a defender to mark him even if he is not that quick, Broich and Ninkovic aren't that quick and were fine playing there.
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over 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

I reckon he has enough variety in his game it makes it harder for a defender to mark him even if he is not that quick, Broich and Ninkovic aren't that quick and were fine playing there.

They're both better players than WeeMac though. 

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over 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

I reckon he has enough variety in his game it makes it harder for a defender to mark him even if he is not that quick, Broich and Ninkovic aren't that quick and were fine playing there.

They're both better players than WeeMac though. 

Broich too old now, WeeMac better but Broich in his prime better. Ninkobif is gooof

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

patrick478 wrote:

Bullion wrote:

martinb wrote:

I think WeeMac is at his best on the left side of a midfield 3 in a 4-3-3. Problem is Finkler is at his best as a CAM in a 4-2-3-1. One of them has to be played out of his best position if we want them both starting, unless we play a 4-4-2 diamond but we've seen how hard it can be to make that work

It's interesting. 

He would also be good at the front left of a 4-3-3 I reckon. We've all seen him beat players around the box and send in good delivery.  You don't have to be so fast, just faster than the opposition expects!

I'd worry about him being out main CM. How do we rate his defence?

I think that's the role he played at CCM, right? I do think he's a but slow for it now myself but he could do the job

I reckon he has enough variety in his game it makes it harder for a defender to mark him even if he is not that quick, Broich and Ninkovic aren't that quick and were fine playing there.

They're both better players than WeeMac though. 

Broich too old now, WeeMac better but Broich in his prime better. Ninkobif is gooof

Yeah Broich is too old now, but I read Bullion's post as meaning in his prime seeing as he said were fine playing there not are fine playing there. 

What does gooof mean?

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

valeo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

We have a top AM in Finckler, a topCM in WeeMac, and backups for both in Singh and Ridenton. We have limited slots and two CMs would be a luxury that we don't need IMHO.

Finkler being a 'top AM' and WeeMac being a 'top CM' are both thoroughly debatable.

Lia, A-Rod and Bonevacia, our 3 best midfielders, have left.

Bonivacia had one good season with us, massively overrated.

Bonevacia is probably the best player we've ever had

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over 8 years ago

Ninja wrote:

Ryan wrote:

valeo wrote:

Ryan wrote:

We have a top AM in Finckler, a topCM in WeeMac, and backups for both in Singh and Ridenton. We have limited slots and two CMs would be a luxury that we don't need IMHO.

Finkler being a 'top AM' and WeeMac being a 'top CM' are both thoroughly debatable.

Lia, A-Rod and Bonevacia, our 3 best midfielders, have left.

Bonivacia had one good season with us, massively overrated.

Bonevacia is probably the best player we've ever had

I would say Ifill.



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over 8 years ago

I with the others, Roly didn't play well enough for us over a sustained period. On his last season's performance, I'm surprised any other A League franchise even considered him.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Bonevacia just started trying too hard to do everything when we were struggling as a team. When we were a functioning unit, he was one of the best in the league. Anyone underrating him has rocks in their head. Even when half injured and not playing well, he still did things that no one else in the team could do.

Don't be surprised to see him rip it up at WSW next season.

Ifill is the best we've had because his performances coincided with the best team performances as well. Plus he's a good bloke.

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over 8 years ago

whenever he got the ball i knew that was the end of any attacking intent by the team, he was very skillful but couldnt play the role that we needed from him. he got the ball and our attack would stall as he slowed down play. ultimately he was a liability and we'll miss arod more.

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over 8 years ago
His game seemed to drop when his family left town.... he will be great for WSW I reckon. But his impact diminished
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over 8 years ago

Tyler wrote:
His game seemed to drop when his family left town.... he will be great for WSW I reckon. But his impact diminished
He needs a good DM behind him to cover for his work rate, another reason why losing Riera really hurt us.
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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

Tyler wrote:
His game seemed to drop when his family left town.... he will be great for WSW I reckon. But his impact diminished
He needs a good DM behind him to cover for his work rate, another reason why losing Riera really hurt us.

Well, his lack of work rate. It was clear last season that Roly stopped giving a shark, and his already poor work rate got even worse - particularly defensively. 

I think he will do well at WSW, he is a good player (when he wants to be). 


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over 8 years ago

RR wrote:

Tyler wrote:
His game seemed to drop when his family left town.... he will be great for WSW I reckon. But his impact diminished
He needs a good DM behind him to cover for his work rate, another reason why losing Riera really hurt us.

Which is ironic because that's the position he was signed to.

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over 8 years ago

Reckon part of that was Ernie's fault. He got excited and chucked him in the AM role and basically gave him free reign, then tried to reign him back in again. Wasn't going to happen.

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over 8 years ago

Why shouldn't that happen... he's a professional, do as asked and paid!

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over 8 years ago

Exactly, the mark of a good player is more than just skill on the ball. Work rate, temperament, and the ability to read a game also comes into it.

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over 8 years ago
Yeah it's not the managers' fault if a player doesn't act professionally. If Greenacre was asked to play right back he would have. And with a smile. He would have polished the gaffer's shoes at half time if it meant it would contribute positively to the team. Perhaps that's why Roly was shipped off the this part of the world when he had so much more promise than that as a young player.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

Reckon part of that was Ernie's fault. He got excited and chucked him in the AM role and basically gave him free reign, then tried to reign him back in again. Wasn't going to happen.

When's he being crowned?

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over 8 years ago

Speculation after Buckingham's announcement: anyone with any connection, anywhere, anytime to Stoke.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

what English/European or SthAmerican/Asian League do we find the next Iffil/Greenacres in? 

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over 8 years ago

Gamerio to Brisbane... Anyone else good we could get to fill the striker spot?



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over 8 years ago

Burns is the only player that comes to mind.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Burns is the only player that comes to mind.

I was thinking, given that Darjie seems to want a 4-3-3, wouldn't Burns (if we get him) be playing RW?



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over 8 years ago

Burns on the left, Krishna on the right... seems oddly familiar to Kosta...

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Darje has said that he'll play whatever formation suits the team that is assembled so I don't know if a 4-3-3 is a given.

But, I don't know if I'd want Burns as a primary striker, he had a great season for us but he's only really had two standout seasons in his career, could we rely on him for 10+ goals? 

I think we'll be looking to get an import striker. Either Burns or Vidosic one one wing and Krishna on the other with an import striker would be pretty formidable.

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over 8 years ago

I for one hope its not Burns, think many just seem to assume he will recapture that form he had when he first arrived. I for one am not so confidant he will, lets face it he is a couple of years older and its not as if his form since leaving has been that good. We have tried older strikers in the past and despite lots of enthusiasm they havnt really come off. 


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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Nathan Burns is 29, does that really qualify him as an "older striker"? I'd have thought this is the prime of his career. 


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