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2017/18 Transfer Speculation

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over 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Who would you bench though? The front three are all pretty good, we should be looking at signing a player who is a step up on our defensive options.

I would be looking at someone who is a step up from Ridenton in CM.

The Stuff article says we are looking at 2 areas to strengthen & need to decide which to use it on. Imo that is a wide forward & a central midfielder.

Sign a wide striker, we get another goal scoring option and have WeeMac/Ridenton/Rufer cover midfield with Watto/Rogerson falling down the pecking order on the bench

Sign a midfielder, we still only have AK9 & Krishna as recognised goal scorers, Watto/Rogerson remain as our bench options.

We have more depth to cover the midfield role than a wide forward role.

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over 8 years ago

Vidosic seems a pretty reasonable goal scoring option though.

Getting a wide forward means Vidosic starts at ten and WeeMac is benched which seems like a waste.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Vidosic seems a pretty reasonable goal scoring option though.

Getting a wide forward means Vidosic starts at ten and WeeMac is benched which seems like a waste.

WeeMac doesn't have to goto the bench, he can play deeper as he has been for the AWs.

We have WeeMac/Parkhouse/Rogerson for the wide forward roles & WeeMac/Ridenton/Rufer for the midfield role. The midfield options are far stronger than the forward options. So imo we need to add to the wide forward options.

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Vidosic seems a pretty reasonable goal scoring option though.

Getting a wide forward means Vidosic starts at ten and WeeMac is benched which seems like a waste.


While it hasn't quite clicked for the Nix when he's played there this season, I still think WeeMac is decent at a deeper midfield role. We need a player beside Paracki that can take some of the pressure off of him. He's obviously targeted by the opposition which has led to his drop in effectiveness.
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over 8 years ago

Yeah, the team has looked better with Ridenton in that holding role than WeeMac, I'd be signing a starter there. However Watson as our impact player off the bench isn't working so I can see the point.

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over 8 years ago

I think Watson should go to the Wee Nix and get some game time and get back in the habit of scoring goals. Coming on cold for 5 minutes and getting one half chance and SFA else and everyone on here bagging him isn't going to get him into form. 



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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

If WeeMac has to battle it out for a starting spot with Ridenton then so be it, it will only improve their game. And Rufer's, and Paracki's, and should Vidosic come in central to fill that role then his too. A marquee left wing would be our best move, we would have so much more depth. we would still only have three proper regular wingers, but still then have vidosic and WeeMac to call on if we are down on widemen. As for the midfield we would have Vidosic, WeeMac,Ridenton, Rufer and Paracki all competing for the three midfield postions. Even though its only one player (in Finkler) going and one player coming in (if it is a marquee winger), it seems to vastly improve the quality and versatility of our already quite position-dynamic squad. Imagine what it would be like having another Krishna type marquee bombing down the left and pinging balls in to AK 

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago

Imagine a front line of Krishna, Burns, AK and Wee Mac and Bonevacia behind them!



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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

RR wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Who would you bench though? The front three are all pretty good, we should be looking at signing a player who is a step up on our defensive options.

I would be looking at someone who is a step up from Ridenton in CM.

The Stuff article says we are looking at 2 areas to strengthen & need to decide which to use it on. Imo that is a wide forward & a central midfielder.

Sign a wide striker, we get another goal scoring option and have WeeMac/Ridenton/Rufer cover midfield with Watto/Rogerson falling down the pecking order on the bench

Sign a midfielder, we still only have AK9 & Krishna as recognised goal scorers, Watto/Rogerson remain as our bench options.

We have more depth to cover the midfield role than a wide forward role.

Not sure I would agree. Just because we have cover does not mean those in place are effective.

AK9 and Roy are "recognised goal scorers" but so is Vidosic, and they are all experienced and a class above Watson and Rogerson. I am not convinced we need more strikers at this point.

Our midfield is less blessed with talent and experience and I would like some more support to Paracki and Weemac who are class above the rest and where we suffer if one of them is out injured or has a bad day in the office. We need to have more experienced players in midfield at present to get ourselves in order. Finkler's inability to contribute was one of the symptoms of this problem.

Edit: remember how Roly was targeted by other teams with cynical fouls when he arrived at Phoenix? That's because he was an effective midfielder that everyone recognised as a key player for us. I am thinking of spending money on someone in that category but obviously they may not be available in January window.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

martinb wrote:

Imagine a front line of Krishna, Burns, AK and Wee Mac and Bonevacia behind them!


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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

RR wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Who would you bench though? The front three are all pretty good, we should be looking at signing a player who is a step up on our defensive options.

I would be looking at someone who is a step up from Ridenton in CM.

The Stuff article says we are looking at 2 areas to strengthen & need to decide which to use it on. Imo that is a wide forward & a central midfielder.

Sign a wide striker, we get another goal scoring option and have WeeMac/Ridenton/Rufer cover midfield with Watto/Rogerson falling down the pecking order on the bench

Sign a midfielder, we still only have AK9 & Krishna as recognised goal scorers, Watto/Rogerson remain as our bench options.

We have more depth to cover the midfield role than a wide forward role.

Not sure I would agree. Just because we have cover does not mean those in place are effective.

AK9 and Roy are "recognised goal scorers" but so is Vidosic, and they are all experienced and a class above Watson and Rogerson. I am not convinced we need more strikers at this point.

Our midfield is less blessed with talent and experience and I would like some more support to Paracki and Weemac who are class above the rest and where we suffer if one of them is out injured or has a bad day in the office. We need to have more experienced players in midfield at present to get ourselves in order. Finkler's inability to contribute was one of the symptoms of this problem.

Edit: remember how Roly was targeted by other teams with cynical fouls when he arrived at Phoenix? There was an effective midfielder everyone recognised. I am thinking of spending money on someone in that category if they're available in January window.

I think you're right currently, and agree a marquee defensive mid would be huge for us right now. However I also think moving Mikey back with Paracki and Dario coming into the #10 role would be great too, allowing us to get a marquee left winger. Wings are so important to the way we play, its both a hangover from the Ernie style of whipping in low crosses to the feet of the striker and also a hallmark of the Dutch football style that Darije is very familiar with. The majority of our goals come from crosses or cut backs from out wide, so a top quality left footed pacy winger would be fantastic. Dario has gone missing out wide, but when he's been central he's been much more involved. His vision for through balls and passes is quality when he's playing at 10, and he also poses another aerial threat so that when we are on the attack we play with almost two number 9's, AK and Vidosic, with Mikey pushing up into 10. Another aspect to the benefit of Dario coming in central is that he's actually got a great work rate defensively too, and we've seen him make quite a lot of tackles and clearances already. An attack of Marquee left wing - AK - Krishna playing in front of the midfield three of Vidosic - Mikey - Paracki, it almost doesn't really matter what the defense is like, that is so much quality in one team. Key part of that is with the midfield, all three are good on the ball, have great passing, can shoot, and have the commitment to get back. maybe they play as a flat three and Vidosic drops back into central midfield in normal play, I dunno.
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago

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I think you're right currently, and agree a marquee defensive mid would be huge for us right now. However I also think moving Mikey back with Paracki and Dario coming into the #10 role would be great too, allowing us to get a marquee left winger. Wings are so important to the way we play, its both a hangover from the Ernie style of whipping in low crosses to the feet of the striker and also a hallmark of the Dutch football style that Darije is very familiar with. The majority of our goals come from crosses or cut backs from out wide, so a top quality left footed pacy winger would be fantastic. Dario has gone missing out wide, but when he's been central he's been much more involved. His vision for through balls and passes is quality when he's playing at 10, and he also poses another aerial threat so that when we are on the attack we play with almost two number 9's, AK and Vidosic, with Mikey pushing up into 10. Another aspect to the benefit of Dario coming in central is that he's actually got a great work rate defensively too, and we've seen him make quite a lot of tackles and clearances already. An attack of Marquee left wing - AK - Krishna playing in front of the midfield three of Vidosic - Mikey - Paracki, it almost doesn't really matter what the defense is like, that is so much quality in one team. Key part of that is with the midfield, all three are good on the ball, have great passing, can shoot, and have the commitment to get back. maybe they play as a flat three and Vidosic drops back into central midfield in normal play, I dunno.

Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Parkhouse is a good crosser of the ball, but seems to lack confidence in one on one situations.

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

He is a solid player but hardly a world beater. Was a discussion on Twitter by a few people that have seen him in the Handy Prem wondering what he provides that McGarry couldn't.
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over 8 years ago

too much a one footed player. A couple of times his delivery was too slow because he cut back onto his left foot to make the cross.

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over 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Parkhouse is a good crosser of the ball, but seems to lack confidence in one on one situations.

I thought it was striking that on Saturday he got heaps of ball and sent in a load of cross but was unable to put anything on the head of two of the best in the league, AK and Vidosic.  There's more to it than just chopping onto your left and biffing in crosses at this level, it needs a bit more variety 

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Parkhouse is a good crosser of the ball, but seems to lack confidence in one on one situations.

I thought it was striking that on Saturday he got heaps of ball and sent in a load of cross but was unable to put anything on the head of two of the best in the league, AK and Vidosic.  There's more to it than just chopping onto your left and biffing in crosses at this level, it needs a bit more variety 

It was interesting that they played him as an inverted winger but he did not perform like an inverted winger - cutting in and either being a creative player or a goal threat and creating space for overlapping fb - he sort of played like a winger, stayed wide and looked to put in crosses. DK and RV must have wanted delivery from a certain angle and shape, a little deeper and curling in. It would be good if he could hit a cross with the right every so often, keep the defence guessing.
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over 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Parkhouse is a good crosser of the ball, but seems to lack confidence in one on one situations.

I thought it was striking that on Saturday he got heaps of ball and sent in a load of cross but was unable to put anything on the head of two of the best in the league, AK and Vidosic.  There's more to it than just chopping onto your left and biffing in crosses at this level, it needs a bit more variety 

He obviously is not used to playing that way. He was is good at whipping in crosses if he is on the correct side, not playing inverted.

a.haak

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over 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Parkhouse is a good crosser of the ball, but seems to lack confidence in one on one situations.

I thought it was striking that on Saturday he got heaps of ball and sent in a load of cross but was unable to put anything on the head of two of the best in the league, AK and Vidosic.  There's more to it than just chopping onto your left and biffing in crosses at this level, it needs a bit more variety 

It was interesting that they played him as an inverted winger but he did not perform like an inverted winger - cutting in and either being a creative player or a goal threat and creating space for overlapping fb - he sort of played like a winger, stayed wide and looked to put in crosses. DK and RV must have wanted delivery from a certain angle and shape, a little deeper and curling in. It would be good if he could hit a cross with the right every so often, keep the defence guessing.

Parkhouse handy, but not yet the finished article. Krishna, Burns, Ifill. We did see one dynamic run where he cut past a number of players, but not enough yet.



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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

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I think you're right currently, and agree a marquee defensive mid would be huge for us right now. However I also think moving Mikey back with Paracki and Dario coming into the #10 role would be great too, allowing us to get a marquee left winger. Wings are so important to the way we play, its both a hangover from the Ernie style of whipping in low crosses to the feet of the striker and also a hallmark of the Dutch football style that Darije is very familiar with. The majority of our goals come from crosses or cut backs from out wide, so a top quality left footed pacy winger would be fantastic. Dario has gone missing out wide, but when he's been central he's been much more involved. His vision for through balls and passes is quality when he's playing at 10, and he also poses another aerial threat so that when we are on the attack we play with almost two number 9's, AK and Vidosic, with Mikey pushing up into 10. Another aspect to the benefit of Dario coming in central is that he's actually got a great work rate defensively too, and we've seen him make quite a lot of tackles and clearances already. An attack of Marquee left wing - AK - Krishna playing in front of the midfield three of Vidosic - Mikey - Paracki, it almost doesn't really matter what the defense is like, that is so much quality in one team. Key part of that is with the midfield, all three are good on the ball, have great passing, can shoot, and have the commitment to get back. maybe they play as a flat three and Vidosic drops back into central midfield in normal play, I dunno.

Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

I'm a big fan of Parkhouse, I think he's a passionate player who always gives 100%. He's got great pace, and can whip some good crosses in but he's a bench option currently. We need to show some ambition - yes he does a good job most of the times he comes on, but no he is no where near "top quality" for A-League standard. We need to look at for an Ifill, or a Rojas-at-the-Victory, or a Leroy George. Hell, even a Barbarouses, albeit one who isnt a shark person with a shark work ethic. These sorts of players always seem out of our league, but we have to get them in. Crowds want it, coaches always want better players that make them look good and the FFA wants it
Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Mainland FC wrote:

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Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

I'm a big fan of Parkhouse, I think he's a passionate player who always gives 100%. He's got great pace, and can whip some good crosses in but he's a bench option currently. We need to show some ambition - yes he does a good job most of the times he comes on, but no he is no where near "top quality" for A-League standard. We need to look at for an Ifill, or a Rojas-at-the-Victory, or a Leroy George. Hell, even a Barbarouses, albeit one who isnt a shark person with a shark work ethic. These sorts of players always seem out of our league, but we have to get them in. Crowds want it, coaches always want better players that make them look good and the FFA wants it

Barbarouses seems to have a good work ethic at Melbourne Victory, and yet he was missing in action a bit when playing for the Nix.  I see this as an example of that "Phoenix thing" that we need to fix. Hopefully Darije is on the right track with his "winners" outburst.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

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Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

I'm a big fan of Parkhouse, I think he's a passionate player who always gives 100%. He's got great pace, and can whip some good crosses in but he's a bench option currently. We need to show some ambition - yes he does a good job most of the times he comes on, but no he is no where near "top quality" for A-League standard. We need to look at for an Ifill, or a Rojas-at-the-Victory, or a Leroy George. Hell, even a Barbarouses, albeit one who isnt a shark person with a shark work ethic. These sorts of players always seem out of our league, but we have to get them in. Crowds want it, coaches always want better players that make them look good and the FFA wants it

Barbarouses seems to have a good work ethic at Melbourne Victory, and yet he was missing in action a bit when playing for the Nix.  I see this as an example of that "Phoenix thing" that we need to fix. Hopefully Darije is on the right track with his "winners" outburst.

It might just be me but he looks trimmer at the the Victory, maybe being at home he was in a comfort zone and didn't push himself quite as hard?
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over 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

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I think you're right currently, and agree a marquee defensive mid would be huge for us right now. However I also think moving Mikey back with Paracki and Dario coming into the #10 role would be great too, allowing us to get a marquee left winger. Wings are so important to the way we play, its both a hangover from the Ernie style of whipping in low crosses to the feet of the striker and also a hallmark of the Dutch football style that Darije is very familiar with. The majority of our goals come from crosses or cut backs from out wide, so a top quality left footed pacy winger would be fantastic. Dario has gone missing out wide, but when he's been central he's been much more involved. His vision for through balls and passes is quality when he's playing at 10, and he also poses another aerial threat so that when we are on the attack we play with almost two number 9's, AK and Vidosic, with Mikey pushing up into 10. Another aspect to the benefit of Dario coming in central is that he's actually got a great work rate defensively too, and we've seen him make quite a lot of tackles and clearances already. An attack of Marquee left wing - AK - Krishna playing in front of the midfield three of Vidosic - Mikey - Paracki, it almost doesn't really matter what the defense is like, that is so much quality in one team. Key part of that is with the midfield, all three are good on the ball, have great passing, can shoot, and have the commitment to get back. maybe they play as a flat three and Vidosic drops back into central midfield in normal play, I dunno.

Would you not consider Parkhouse as being able to fulfill that role?  Genuine question.

I'm a big fan of Parkhouse, I think he's a passionate player who always gives 100%. He's got great pace, and can whip some good crosses in but he's a bench option currently. We need to show some ambition - yes he does a good job most of the times he comes on, but no he is no where near "top quality" for A-League standard. We need to look at for an Ifill, or a Rojas-at-the-Victory, or a Leroy George. Hell, even a Barbarouses, albeit one who isnt a shark person with a shark work ethic. These sorts of players always seem out of our league, but we have to get them in. Crowds want it, coaches always want better players that make them look good and the FFA wants it

Worry is no end product

Normo's coming home

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over 8 years ago

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

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over 8 years ago

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

Cover does not necessarily equate to quality - ok?
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patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

If the cover’s obviously not good enough, then yeah why not? Best to get one that doubles as a DM like Mascherano or Can

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over 8 years ago

One of the problems we have with recruiting a visa player in January is afaik they have not confirmed or rejected the move to 4+1 for visas next season. This is why most teams signed their visas up to 1 year deals this season. If we are unable to find someone willing to take a 6 month deal, we may end up having no room to keep an existing visa player if it changes.

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RR wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

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Barbarouses seems to have a good work ethic at Melbourne Victory, and yet he was missing in action a bit when playing for the Nix.  I see this as an example of that "Phoenix thing" that we need to fix. Hopefully Darije is on the right track with his "winners" outburst.

It might just be me but he looks trimmer at the the Victory, maybe being at home he was in a comfort zone and didn't push himself quite as hard?

Tight playing kit. Their pay cap is so stretched at Victory they cannot afford enough lycra for loose fitting tops.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Seeing as we can't play in the ACL anyway should that even apply to us? Or should we get 4+1 Oceania player (which would be Krishna).

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over 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

The worst defensive record in the league says it is something we should be  at least looking at.
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over 8 years ago

we were always going to struggle without Vince Lia

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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over 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

Cover does not necessarily equate to quality - ok?

I think Rossi and Mullen are perfectly fine starting CB's, and Durante is very good as cover, with Fox/Lowry waiting in the wings. That is not our problem area.

Our problem is Ridenton in the middle of the park, and the lack of depth out wide.

a.haak

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over 8 years ago

foal30 wrote:

we were always going to struggle without Siggie

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over 8 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

Sorry Patrick but we've always had good a good CB pairing until recently The wheels fell off when Siggy retired and we let Boxall go after playing him out of position. 

We should have looked to the future when Siggy retired but we didn't.

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valeo wrote:

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I think Rossi and Mullen are perfectly fine starting CB's, and Durante is very good as cover, with Fox/Lowry waiting in the wings. That is not our problem area. Our problem is Ridenton in the middle of the park, and the lack of depth out wide.

I agree with that. Our backline may be leaky, but I think Darije has cottoned on to that now and might consider tinkering around Dura's role.

On the other hand, there isn't enough quality cover for Paracki and Ridenton.  Paracki is a proper replacement for Riera, Vince or perhaps even Roly in his original position at No. 4, but if he picks up an injury or suspension we'd be stuffed without an experienced DM backup.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Seeing as we can't play in the ACL anyway should that even apply to us? Or should we get 4+1 Oceania player (which would be Krishna).

We will push for that but whether the FFA listens is another story. The clubs were against the move to 4+1 but afaik nothing has been sorted, the governance issues have created a few problems regarding the the future of the league.
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over 8 years ago

valeo wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

We do not need a new forward/winger, our need is either a starting midfielder or starting centre back. If going with a CB, that means dropping Durante. Either he Rossi or both will be gone next year anyway.

CB is the position we have the most cover for in the squad, and you want us to sign yet another CB? Okay.

Cover does not necessarily equate to quality - ok?

I think Rossi and Mullen are perfectly fine starting CB's, and Durante is very good as cover, with Fox/Lowry waiting in the wings. That is not our problem area.

Our problem is Ridenton in the middle of the park, and the lack of depth out wide.

If we had a better middle - our backs wouldn't be under as much pressure.

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over 8 years ago

For those that are wanting a new midfielder in the January transfer window, Kilkenny looks to be on the outer at City. Would he be someone people would be interested in? Could look to offload a squaddie and bring in him & a visa player.

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