Tim Brown

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Leggy wrote:

Scorer of 4 goals for the Nix, not a bad return for a supposed Defensive Midfielder.

If he is meant to be a defensive midfielder how come he is in the top 10 goal scorers in the A league. If that is the case he is not doing the defensive bit as he is meant to do.

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I think it's interesting how you've phrased that.

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An alternative would be: "isn't it brilliant how our defensive midfield player can get forward and contribute four goals, that guy must be one hell of an athlete."

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Unless of course you have some stats or facts to back up your summation that he hasn't been doing his defensive duties.ï¿½ I'd say he's been doing them well.ï¿½ He and Lia have formed a formidable combination.

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I'm no cheerleader of his, but I do think he's doing more than his bit for us and doesn't deserve the sort of snide criticism you're throwing at him.ï¿½

It not meant to be snide criticism. The bloke is NOT good enough to be in the AW's. Just watch the game tomorrow, although he may not get a start.

I think it is quite wrong of you to say that. Look at how him an Lia have closed down many A-League midfields in the past. What is bad with being in the top 10 for the A-League aswell? Terrible logic saying you cannot score and defend at the same time.

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wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Smithy wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Scorer of 4 goals for the Nix, not a bad return for a supposed Defensive Midfielder.

If he is meant to be a defensive midfielder how come he is in the top 10 goal scorers in the A league. If that is the case he is not doing the defensive bit as he is meant to do.

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I think it's interesting how you've phrased that.

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An alternative would be: "isn't it brilliant how our defensive midfield player can get forward and contribute four goals, that guy must be one hell of an athlete."

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I'm no cheerleader of his, but I do think he's doing more than his bit for us and doesn't deserve the sort of snide criticism you're throwing at him.ï¿½

It not meant to be snide criticism. The bloke is NOT good enough to be in the AW's. Just watch the game tomorrow, although he may not get a start.

The problem I have is that you can watch a game and you will never see him or hear his name. Because he runs around doing zip and hides. Sometime he will kick a few people and give away some free kicks, but midfield players are meant to be creative. This he is not. Would maybe make a central defender?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

"Midfield players are meant to be creative". Any semblance of credibility you may have had disappeared right there.

"Creative" midfield players are meant to be creative. Many sides have at least one midfield player who will do the 'dirty' work, covering the yards, making the tackles, doing the stuff that doesn't get them the headlines. In our case, Brown also chips in with a few goals, which is a bonus. He's in there to do a job, and he does it.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:

I know exactly what you you mean-- but in my opinion I still think he is crap, and if he makes it to SA (which I am sure he will) you will see how out of his depth he is. If you had watched the AW's in SA some months ago you would have seen for yourself.

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Leggy wrote:

Tegal wrote:

And who would you have instead?[/QUOTE]

McGlinchey

McGlinchey = already in the AWs. I was saying in response to

[Quote] It not meant to be snide criticism. The bloke is NOT good enough to be in the AW's. Just watch the game tomorrow, although he may not get a start.

So who would you have in the AWs instead of Brown. Cant be McGlinchey as he is already in the squad.

Though yeah i wouldve preferred an elliot and McGlinchey midfield yesterday. But since Elliot was out,Brown and McGlinchey was in my opinion the best option.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tim Brown played so well in the Bahrain game.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

You're entitled to that opinion. I'm not saying Brown is a world class player. Just that he does a decent job for both the 'Nix and the AWs. With no disrespect to them, I'd be surprised if a number of the current AW squad don't look out of their depth in the World Cup finals. Tim Brown's not gonna be alone in that. This is the All Whites we're talking about, not Brazil.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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loyalgunner wrote:

Tim Brown played so well in the Bahrain game.

Funny, I actually thought he was our poorest player, was almost invisible as a link man - in fact for most of the game we were playing without a midfield at all, the defenders were just lumping it long and direct to our strikers. Ok, this was obviously much to the game plan, but it's frustrating seeing TB not offering an "easy option" in the way that Lia does for the Phoenix.

And, again I'm not solely blaming TB for this, but he was occasionally AWOL in defence, and not closing down their mids when they were bursting through, putting extra pressure on our fullbacks. again, this was partly due to the formation we were playing, but would have liked to have seen him more involved - it would have also allowed McGlinchey a bit more opportunity to show his warez on attack.

I have to say though, I like TB as someone who plays within his own limitations, to get a few handy goals out of an "average" midfielder like him is a massive bonus and a testament to how much he wants it.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

What game were you watching?

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

What game were you watching?

Try something a little more constructive?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

likewise. He was good, up against players more skillful and fast than he could hope to be but covered ground well.

Only bad thing I saw was late in the second half, Bahrain on attack, ball out to their left flank and he drifted acroos and left the no 10 unmarked. Sure as eggs the ball came back into the centre to no 10.

Whole team played well.

Junior822009-11-16 13:36:53

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sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

What game were you watching?

Try something a little more constructive?

That was about as constructive as i could get in saying "i disagree with everything you just said by a long shot"

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

What game were you watching?

Try something a little more constructive?

That was about as constructive as i could get in saying "i disagree with everything you just said by a long shot"

Ok, well to that all I will say is that you, also, are clearly playing within your own limitations.

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sawu wrote:

loyalgunner wrote:

Tim Brown played so well in the Bahrain game.

So on one hand he was poor because he wasn't visible as a link man, but we were bypassing our midfield by hoofing it long? As you said yourself, you can't really blame him for that then. Then you say that you want him more involved defensively which would have given McGlinchey more opportunities going forward? Don't quite understand your reasoning there.

In the game I saw, he did a lot of tackling and covering in his role as a defensive midfield player, but you want him to be covering/protecting both of our full backs as well? We weren't playing with only 1 in midfield, as far as I can remember.

Not knocking your opinion, Boss, I just disagree with it. I think I'm on Tegal's side on this one.

Jag2009-11-16 13:45:09

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

What game were you watching?

Try something a little more constructive?

That was about as constructive as i could get in saying "i disagree with everything you just said by a long shot"

Ok, well to that all I will say is that you, also, are clearly playing within your own limitations.

Im sorry,but screw you. As i said,rather than rewriting everything you said but in the opposite,it was much easier just to question if you were actually at the stadium or were you at newtown park thinking you were watching the AWs?

Theres only one way someone can say "I disagree with everything you say" so just because i am doing so does not make me an idiot as you were implying,and i really dont appreciate that

I was just being efficient

but thank you Jag for doing the hard yards for me in the form

(apparently you have to write 1000+ words to be able to have an informed opinion)

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Fair enough Jag, all valid arguments, and I guess it displays the most wonderful element of football - how incredibly subjective it can be.

Jag wrote:

So on one hand he was poor because he wasn't visible as a link man, but we were bypassing our midfield by hoofing it long? As you said yourself, you can't really blame him for that then.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes I can, to a certain extent - as I felt he was rarely available as a short option, so the team had no option but to go long. Yes, it was the tactic anyway, but it all got a little too one-dimensional for my liking, especially when we were a goal up, would have preferred to see a little more of a possession game, but that was almost impossible with our setup.

Jag wrote:

Then you say that you want him more involved defensively which would have given McGlinchey more opportunities going forward? Don't quite understand your reasoning there.[/QUOTE]
Tough to explain, this one, but I feel that many other fans would harbour a similar view... TB seems very much a "box to box" player, although with him I'd describe it more as a "fat mans track" - you know, where in rugby many props stick to the middle ten metres of the field (width wise), never going outside these bounds, just running backwards and forwards, almost like they're on train tracks. A very crude description of the way I feel TB plays, but hopefully that explains it.

[QUOTE=Jag]In the game I saw, he did a lot of tackling and covering in his role as a defensive midfield player, but you want him to be covering/protecting both of our full backs as well?

He probably did a lot more than I give him credit for, I won't deny that. But, yes, a good covering player should certainly be providing support, and options, for his fullbacks, most definitely.

[QUOTE=Jag]We weren't playing with only 1 in midfield, as far as I can remember.

Again, this is not so much his own fault - he suffered from us losing Elliott. But in effect, TB was our only "non-attacker" other than our defensive line, although I was impressed with McGlinchey's work rate.

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Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

What game were you watching?

Try something a little more constructive?

That was about as constructive as i could get in saying "i disagree with everything you just said by a long shot"

Ok, well to that all I will say is that you, also, are clearly playing within your own limitations.

Theres only one way someone can say "I disagree with everything you say" so just because i am doing so does not make me an idiot as you were implying,and i really dont appreciate that

I was just being efficient

but thank you Jag for doing the hard yards for me in the form

(apparently you have to write 1000+ words to be able to have an informed opinion)

I didn't imply you were an idiot - I didn't need to.

And I never said I was at the stadium - I watched it on TV.

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I thought it was some of the best short passing game ive seen the AWs play,we knocked it around very well. I think thats why i disagree with you right from the start,because it seems to be the basis of your argument.

From then on,you dont like "box to box" players,despite that being the role he is supposed to play.

You then retract your point and say perhaps he did do more defensive work than you originally said.

Then you're impressed with McGlincheys workrate.

I really fail to see what you're getting at,so am concentrating on the passing game and being made available. Which,again,what game were you at?

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

As I'm supposed to be working, I can't really get into this in any detail, and to be honest I can't really be bothered anyway, but from a purely coaching perspective I would argue with most of your points. I may return to it later.

p.s. That's Sawu's points, not Tegal's

Jag2009-11-16 14:02:57

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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sawu wrote:

I didn't imply you were an idiot - I didn't need to.

Not cool.

. Why does me disagreeing with you make me an idiot? Dont be such a condescending bastard.

Allegedly

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Brown was epic against Bahrain! there was A LOT of dangerous attacks broken down by that man, some of his tackling was fantastic!

I am not a huge Brown supporter and havn't thought a lot of him in the Phoenix to be honest, but against Bahrain he was awesome

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children pull yourself together....i was at the stadium on saturday night...i believe we won the game...apparently that means our national team gets to go to the next world cup...i thought it was a pretty special effort by a bunch of guys who gave their guts for our country and some of u dudes on here want to rubbish them....well where i come from we tell people like you to shut the f**k up and show some bloody repect for f**k sake...all i can say in conclusion is that TIM BROWN PLAYED A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN ANYONE SITTING IN THE STAND OR WATCHING TELEVISION

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

All this talk of Tim Brown being crap etc. is all too familiar. Not so long ago the same sort of thoughts were being shared about Mark Paston. Now we couldn't speak highly enough of him.

Tim Brown is and always will be part of an All Whites team that qualified for the World Cup finals.

Let's just enjoy the moment aye?

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veteran diamond wrote:

children pull yourself together....i was at the stadium on saturday night...i believe we won the game...apparently that means our national team gets to go to the next world cup...i thought it was a ï¿½pretty special effort by a bunch of guys who gave their guts forï¿½our country and some of u dudes on here want to rubbish them....well where i come from we tell people like you to shut the f**k up and show some bloody repect for f**k sake...all i can say in conclusion is thatï¿½TIM BROWN PLAYED A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN ANYONE SITTING IN THE STAND OR WATCHING TELEVISIONï¿½

Hi Mrs Brown, you must be really proud of your boy

Some of us were actually defending Timmy, you know.

Have the rules changed around here? Before Saturday night, this used to be a forum. That meant that people could express differing opinions and debate issues. Did that change on Sunday morning? 'Where I come from', people are allowed to express opinions, even if I disagree with them.

I've defended Tim Brown several times in this thread and stated quite clearly that I don't think the critcism of him is warranted in any way. However, just because people have a different view to me doesn't mean I'm gonna go postal about it.

Relax. We're off to South Africa.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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if you were defending him i was hardly condemning you...theres nothing postal in my comments i just found it truly petty and pathetic to be criticising any of OUR team after such a staunch effort on saturday...certainly not criticising the forum...personally i love the passions unleashed however i feel now is not the time...besides if i wanted to have a go at someone hows about the gold coast glory boy who could have sewn it up tight twice in the last couple of minutes...it didnt go his way but he ran himself into the ground...same as tim brown.....same as lockhead....but what the hell lets have open slather and watch the whole sh*t house go up in flames as jim morrison might have said

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I didn't actually say that you were condemning me, Boss. I was merely doing my bit for free speech and the fact that, personally, I don't feel that people should have some Big Brother type positive vibe imposed on them if that's not how they feel.

I actually agree that nobody who was on that park on Saturday deserves criticism but sadly there will always be one or two people who will find something to have a moan about. Human nature! The moaners are a considerable minority and I'm sure they'll fade into the background soon enough

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i was doubtful about 3-4-3 and Ricki was right

if Ricki picks Tim Brown, I'll work onthe principle that he knows a bit more about football than me and 99.9% of people on this forum

to be honest, I think Timmo does a decent job in the role he has

- but if Ricki ever drops him (unless it's as a consequence of us signing an aging Paul Scholes or, even better, Jimmy- walk-on-water Bullard

) I'll consider revising my opinion

and, finally, central midfield players who don't beat players with the ball at their feet or play spectacular long balls are often under-estimated by people whose knowledge of football has been gained from watching highlights packages

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

While not a Tim Brown fan, I thought his performance on Saturday night was excellent, especually as he got stage fright in the 1st leg in Manama.

And all kudos to him for his involvement in the One Shot for Glory campaign especially negotiating with the PFA to forego some of the revenue due to the Confed Cup Squad in order to keep the ticket prices down for the RoF match. Class.

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tigers wrote:

..........and, finally, central midfield players who don't beat players with the ball at their feet or play spectacular long balls are often under-estimated by people whose knowledge of football has been gained from watching highlights packages

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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veteran diamond wrote:

might pay to check the date this thread was started

rojas, so special

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I respect all these opinions and although some of them are not what I think, thats OK. We thankfully don't all think the same. With the squad at the moment I would probably pick Tim, but that is only because there is not anyone else. It does not mean that I rate him, cause I don't.

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I obviously wasn't including you in the "highlights package" comment Leggy

but yeah it is interesting how the opinions from quite a few folks who know the game can differ on things

i know a number of players for Hull City, the Nix, England and All Whites who have divided the opinions of fans

where's the emoticon for 'humans eh, what a f**king weird but glorious bunch' when you need it?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For my two pence worth, I'm not the biggest fan of Brown, but he has been playing well for the Phoenix. I did feel watching the game with out the atmosphere/trepidation that you all did in Wellington/NZ, that Brownie and Smeltz were the two poorest players for NZ on saturday. When Barron came on (a player that to me is far worse then Tim), the midfield tightened up forcing Bahrain to play down the wings (left mostly) so therein lies your evidence.

I do wonder how Ivan would fair in the mids if Ricki was able to talk the likes of Reid and Smith into the AWs as I've always rated him as better def mid then centre half.
disco_mart2009-11-17 01:41:49

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sorry wrong way 2 p = 4.5 cents

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Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

I didn't imply you were an idiot - I didn't need to.

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Not cool.

. Why does me disagreeing with you make me an idiot? Dont be such a condescending bastard.

wooh, take a chill pill. And please, don't stoop to such a juvenile level that you need to offend my parents, that's rather pathetic.

I think you, as I, could really do with watching the full game again, without the same raw emotion (and, in my case, a little alcomohol) blinding us. We may both be surprised with some aspects of our performance we missed.

[QUOTE=Tegal]I thought it was some of the best short passing game ive seen the AWs play,we knocked it around very well. I think thats why i disagree with you right from the start,because it seems to be the basis of your argument.

From then on,you dont like "box to box" players,despite that being the role he is supposed to play.

You then retract your point and say perhaps he did do more defensive work than you originally said.

Then you're impressed with McGlincheys workrate.

I thought our tactics were close to spot on (certainly can't argue with the result!), but to call it "some of the best short passing game ive seen the AWs play" is a loooooong way off the mark. We virtually played without a midfield on offence, such was the reliance on our defenders going long.

I never said I dont like box to box players - try reading again. Perhaps TB takes "box to box" a little literally. But i've always appreciated a good box to box player (and it's what I give TB some credit for). To be fair, there are very few classic box to box midfield exponents in the modern game, with most teams specialising in attacking mid and defensive mid.

My "retraction" was simply showing that I have enough humility to admit that I'm basing my comments on a subjective opinion made in a very emotional state - the kind of humility you clearly don't have.

What my comment on McGlinchey's work rate has anything to do with, I don't know.

Perhaps next time lay off the personal insults, it may cover the lack of valid constructive comments you appear able to make.

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Sass14 wrote:

All this talk of Tim Brown being crap etc. is all too familiar. Not so long ago the same sort of thoughts were being shared about Mark Paston. Now we couldn't speak highly enough of him.[/quote]
Now I'm REALLY going to put my balls on the line, and say that I still have serious reservations about Paston, despite an overall impressive display against Bahrain. He still gives me shivers every time he catches/saves. But that's for another thread...

tigers wrote:

Can't disagree that this is certainly the case - every team needs a midfielder who does the hard yards, and will go largely unnoticed. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that that player is excused from any constructive criticism of their play.

[quote=disco_mart] I did feel watching the game with out the atmosphere/trepidation that you all did in Wellington/NZ, that Brownie and Smeltz were the two poorest players for NZ on saturday.

I'd agree, although the work rate of both was still extremely high, so they can be excused a bit.

One thing I won't diss TB for is his commitment and passion, and those two qualities can take a player a long way, and make up for some shortcomings in other areas.

As cultured as Che Bunce's left foot and as profilic as John Lammers

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sawu wrote:

[quote=Sass14]All this talk of Tim Brown being crap etc. is all too familiar. Not so long ago the same sort of thoughts were being shared about Mark Paston. Now we couldn't speak highly enough of him.

Now I'm REALLY going to put my balls on the line, and say that I still have serious reservations about Paston, despite an overall impressive display against Bahrain. He still gives me shivers every time he catches/saves. But that's for another thread...

Ok I 100% diasagree with that! Paston seemed bloody confident all game i thought and he pulled off a couple of top class saves. I do not see how anyone can complain about Paston at all, especially judging on that game on Saturday!

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man2biron wrote:

sawu wrote:

Yep, what M2B said.

In some of the early games for the nix Paston was a bit uneasy with highballs (marginal catches or scrappy punching clear). EARLY matches. He's since become a lot more confident and comes out well at the right times.

BTW you can see the same thing happening with Crowther too - only a few matches but confidence is starting to grow.

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sawu wrote:

Tegal wrote:

sawu wrote:

I didn't imply you were an idiot - I didn't need to.

Not cool.

. Why does me disagreeing with you make me an idiot? Dont be such a condescending bastard.

erm bastard has more than one meaning.

and yes i did watch the game again,and had made this post after having watched the game again. Lets just agree to disagree on Tim Brown...but dont be such a prick in future. Just because someone disagrees with you,gives you no right to imply their idiocy or say their talking within a limited mental capacity. Very very not cool and not appreciated.

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Tegal wrote:

erm bastard has more than one meaning.

Umm... Pot - Kettle - Black?

Calling me a "prick", saying "screw you", and calling me a "bastard".
...
And then lecturing me me on how to behave appropriately on the forum.
...
When I all suggested was one (clearly poor) attempt at humour, using an emoticon, which someone clearly took a little too seriously.

You really should get out more.

Anyway, as for the others with more reasoned debate on here, I wasn't entirely sold on Barron, and never have been... don't mind him as a backup, but would certainly like to see him playing at a more competitive level if he is to feature in the World Cup squad (which he will). But realistically, I can't see him playing at a more competitive level - unless perhaps Ricki "forced" him to go play state league in Aussie or something pre-world cup.

P.S. Where is Chris James, injured?

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