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Transfer Conjecture (was Durante + Phillips)

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
PROAK wrote:

With two of the Brazilians gone and Ross touch and go about continuing playing that'd give us 3 spots to fill plus Elrich is no guarantee to stay (he's got Bling written all over him for next season).

 
Thoughts? Would you still cull O'dor/Brownlie based on this?
 
Remember one of the braziillians spots was taken by Rees.  There is currently only one spot availlable (of 23) so if Aloisi goes that gives 2.
 
Logic, through how little game time they've received (youth excepted), suggests next to go would be Brownlie, maybe Johnson and probably Paston freeing up a keepers spot I reckon.  Plus there's the unknown of Coveny.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:

He's barely played in their recent run, hasn't scored, and the Daily Telegraph ran a two page story on him 5 days ago etitled "the A-League Lemon". What Sydney are you talking about?


Quoting the Tele actually reduces your credibility.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
damn, here in the steaming BOP/Coromandel and so far away from the news
 
missing out on the goss, have fun lads!
 
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Traitor wrote:
james dean wrote:

He's barely played in their recent run, hasn't scored, and the Daily Telegraph ran a two page story on him 5 days ago etitled "the A-League Lemon". What Sydney are you talking about?


Quoting the Tele actually reduces your credibility.


I still don't see how anyone could argue he's been the best Sydney player this year when he in't even in their best 11

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
tigers wrote:
damn, here in the steaming BOP/Coromandel and so far away from the news
 
missing out on the goss, have fun lads!
 


apparently two prominant YF members are getting a divorce, and Hard News is considering getting an anal bleach...oh and Feverish's breasts aren't real
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
slacKers 63 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Ignore the 700k, that's nothing to do with what we'd have to pay...
 
Just to give you a feel for what Phillips might currently be earning...
 
In 2006 (the last time a large-scale study was done) the average striker's salary in the Championship was GDP 292,900. The average salary for a 34 year old was GDP 195,700.
 
 
So assuming that he earns a little bit above average for his position and age and factoring in a bit of inflation Phillips is probably on around NZD 1,000,000 per season at the moment! And that's before bonuses which the article estimates can add 60 - 100 percent of the basic wage.
 


I think you'll find that Phillips will be on a lot more money than that. More like 1m GBP plus bonuses.

The s**t are still on parachute payments.


 
You are probably right, especially as he in the second year of a two-year deal (so signed in their first year down). Going forward it's interesting to see what he could still expect to make even on an average or below average deal in the Championship though.
 
 


I think a lot depends on how many goals he scores at the end of season. If he gets 19-25 he'll get a similar deal to what he's on from any of the big championship clubs/relegated premier teams. Maybe a 1 year offer from a newly (premier) promoted smaller club, say for instance Watford, Bristol City etc

I would say that the s**t will offer him a 1 year extension however their season ends.

His agent won't drop his wage demands because he's on a Bosman at the end of the season and might even look for more money for a final pay-off before retirement with a 10-15% sign on fee.


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The value that they talk about in England, aren't they merely refering to the transfer fee, let alone their wages? For example, I think Rooney transferred to United for uo to 30 million quid (with performance bonuses), however on top of this Rooney as one of the top players would also pocket about 100 000 pounds a week in wages.
 
So in this case, 700 000 to get him here in this first place, let alone paying his wages, coz apparently top footballers have a problem feeding their families or something. Altho I may be mistaken...
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hellobeaver wrote:
The value that they talk about in England, aren't they merely refering to the transfer fee, let alone their wages? For example, I think Rooney transferred to United for uo to 30 million quid (with performance bonuses), however on top of this Rooney as one of the top players would also pocket about 100 000 pounds a week in wages.
 
So in this case, 700 000 to get him here in this first place, let alone paying his wages, coz apparently top footballers have a problem feeding their families or something. Altho I may be mistaken...
 
players dont see the transfer fee. Some players receive signing on bonuses, which are very rarely released. In this case, it is likely old KP would be demanding a pretty substantial wage. Maybe if our current marquee could be moved back to a normal wage as per his performances, Philips might be a reality!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rumours from across the ditch say there are 4 Aussie teams interested in Smeltz................
Definates are Brisbane, Gold Coast (if they go in) and Adelaide.
Hope we dont let him go - gods knows who we'd ave up front if he goes!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Adelaide is a worry, isn't not being in Adelaide United kinda the reason he's here? He did used to play for Adelaide City, and his wife is from Adelaide too. Hmm.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Only 4? That's a surprise.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's a foreign player to the Aus sides and pretty universally believed to be contracted here for next year.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hmmm, I'm sure Terri and Ricki will be doing everything in their power to keep him.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Of course we will. What a stupid question!
 
Top goal scorer. Pure Breed Kiwi. Living in Wellington. Working with the national side coach. And we have Terry.
 
Ricky might let him into the premiership if he got offered a contract there but definitely not into another A league side, for experience purposes in the hope that he would become a better player  
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sorry the above comment is from me, my idiot of a brother didn't log out and he hardly ever posts.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Drewy wrote:
Sorry the above comment is from me, my idiot of a brother didn't log out and he hardly ever posts.
 
Go your brother!!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
braziliant wrote:
r. Pure Breed Kiwi.


Yep, he's a pure bred Kiwi that was born in Germany and played for Aussie clubs for 6 years :p

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Born in Germany,grew up in QLD,  has Aussie accent and all his family are in Aus!  Queensland claim him as there own!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Van Dyke in Netball, 1/2 the All Blacks, of course Smeltz is a New Zealander !
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wellington Phoenix striker Shane Smeltz is off to Celtic in an exchange move for centre back Bob0 B alde - The Sun

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:

braziliant wrote:
r. Pure Breed Kiwi.
Yep, he's a pure bred Kiwi that was born in Germany and played for Aussie clubs for 6 years :p



Well he's a kiwi now so not quite pure breed then. But imo he will stay
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I won't be too disappointed if Smeltz can grab a contract in a decent league in Europe. Shouldn't be too much of a problem with his German bloodlines.

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
after talking to robbie middleby and co after the game the bling players mentioned they'ed love to have him up front with brosque!
robbie also asked what we thought of rikki herbert , maybe he's thinking of a move back to nz
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
this talk of phillips and porter an indication that we may need quality strikers because we could be losing smeltzy maybe? hate to see him go

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No chance.  Poitnts below.
- He's on contract, no other A-League side has ever paid a transfer fee for another player and we're not going to let him go.
- We're looking at other strikers because George didn't work out, Brownlie hasn't convinced people and Covs is getting on.
- He came home from being unable to get a game for Halifax, a good season in the A-League isn't suddenly going to make him a target of 'big' sides in Europe.
- It would also pay to remember that there has been nothing concrete on any of these names, just a line in one Aus paper.

I'll take any money that Smeltz will be a Phoenix player in 08-09.


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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hellobeaver wrote:
The value that they talk about in England, aren't they merely refering to the transfer fee, let alone their wages? For example, I think Rooney transferred to United for uo to 30 million quid (with performance bonuses), however on top of this Rooney as one of the top players would also pocket about 100 000 pounds a week in wages.
 
So in this case, 700 000 to get him here in this first place, let alone paying his wages, coz apparently top footballers have a problem feeding their families or something. Altho I may be mistaken...

he a free agent theres no transfer fee just a sign on fee
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_bromwich_albion/7176525.stm

Kevin Phillips - Championship player of the month (sorry if someone else has already posted this)
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Baiter wrote:
No chance.  Poitnts below.
- He's on contract, no other A-League side has ever paid a transfer fee for another player and we're not going to let him go.
- We're looking at other strikers because George didn't work out, Brownlie hasn't convinced people and Covs is getting on.
- He came home from being unable to get a game for Halifax, a good season in the A-League isn't suddenly going to make him a target of 'big' sides in Europe.
- It would also pay to remember that there has been nothing concrete on any of these names, just a line in one Aus paper.

I'll take any money that Smeltz will be a Phoenix player in 08-09.

could be a different story after a good world cup 2010, hope we have him signed for then!
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cosimo wrote:
tigers wrote:
damn, here in the steaming BOP/Coromandel and so far away from the news
 
missing out on the goss, have fun lads!
 


apparently two prominant YF members are getting a divorce, and Hard News is considering getting an anal bleach...oh and Feverish's breasts aren't real
 
source?

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How's melbourne trip going fellas?

Normo's coming home

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yep but arrive on Friday morning...decided to stay on a bit longer after the game to watch the tennis.

Normo's coming home

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Its astonishing how bad some people's knowledge of international players actually is.

Some dont even know who Phillips is!

Plus, is it me or are more immature members posting? Some ridiculous suggestions in here....

I say sign C.Ronaldo, should be cheap
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Personally I'd prefer Ronaldinho, Ronaldo isn't up to A-league standard
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thats true.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
tigers wrote:
damn, here in the steaming BOP/Coromandel and so far away from the news
 
missing out on the goss, have fun lads!
 


apparently two prominant YF members are getting a divorce, and Hard News is considering getting an anal bleach...oh and Feverish's breasts aren't real
 
source?


my hairdresser is pretty adament...
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hellobeaver wrote:
The value that they talk about in England, aren't they merely refering to the transfer fee, let alone their wages? For example, I think Rooney transferred to United for uo to 30 million quid (with performance bonuses), however on top of this Rooney as one of the top players would also pocket about 100 000 pounds a week in wages.
 
So in this case, 700 000 to get him here in this first place, let alone paying his wages, coz apparently top footballers have a problem feeding their families or something. Altho I may be mistaken...

You are mistaken. We've been talking about his wages not a transfer fee. As someone else already pointed out he's off-contract at the end of this season so there wouldn't be a fee.

It's all academic anyway as it seems obvious that the Phoenix couldn't (or shouldn't) try and compete with what would be even an average deal in the Championship. And the way he's currently playing someone in the UK will surely want to pick him up for another 1 or 2 seasons.
 

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even if its just in League one or upper league two, he'll be earning more than he would here
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