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Transfer Conjecture (was Durante + Phillips)

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james dean wrote:
Traitor wrote:
That was exactly the reason people on SFC's forum didn't want Phillips. Because of his name not ability. Where Fowler would certainly have put bums on seats he would not have made the same impact on the field.
Juninho is capable of both.


But has achieved neither...there's always a hint of the gamble in picking a marquee. But one thing is certain, if they score goals, the crowd will love the.


Eh? Juninho has been Sydney's best player. (when on the park) The fact that he's been willing and wanting to play with crocked shoulders etc. says something about the guy too.
valeo2008-01-09 02:13:05

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On the defender thing, I think I read something about Dodd being a Right Defender (or at least capable), anyone able to confirm or deny if he has experience there?  If so, and we get Durante and Sigmund, they could be our starting CBs with Rees as cover.
 
I think Dodd would be a fairly defensive minded RB, ie not with the same attacking skills as Lochhead on the other side but otherwise I reckon he'd be fine.  Probably has just enough pace to take care of most attackers and has the brains and positioning to make up for that little bit of pace he may lack.
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energy24.7 wrote:
On the defender thing, I think I read something about Dodd being a Right Defender (or at least capable), anyone able to confirm or deny if he has experience there?  If so, and we get Durante and Sigmund, they could be our starting CBs with Rees as cover.
 
I think Dodd would be a fairly defensive minded RB, ie not with the same attacking skills as Lochhead on the other side but otherwise I reckon he'd be fine.  Probably has just enough pace to take care of most attackers and has the brains and positioning to make up for that little bit of pace he may lack.


eh? please for the love of all things sacred no. for a start, as much as being a defender is part of a right backs game, he's also a winger much how lochhead plays in a 442, its his job to get up the field and get in the vital crosses while on attack then sprint back to get to defence, Dodd wouldnt do that as u say, it wouldnt be balanced.

and also, why the hell would u be willing yet again to put someone out of position???? we have a season behind us, a very long time to scout, why the heck cant we actually get a first team right-back whos been playing there his whole life? in a nutshell, this isnt football manager, and u can't just chuck a defender out of position, as it looks like u realise how different RB and CB are, we have been punished for it before, y do it again?
muso2008-01-09 10:24:47
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jjjordan wrote:
so if we signed durante and we plan 2 sign sigmund some defenders will be out??
 
My thoughts exactly, does that mean Dodd, Christe, Old, or O'Dor are looking for new jobs at next season?

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muso wrote:
[QUOTE=energy24.7]On the defender thing, I think I read something about Dodd being a Right Defender (or at least capable), anyone able to confirm or deny if he has experience there?  If so, and we get Durante and Sigmund, they could be our starting CBs with Rees as cover.
 
I think Dodd would be a fairly defensive minded RB, ie not with the same attacking skills as Lochhead on the other side but otherwise I reckon he'd be fine.  Probably has just enough pace to take care of most attackers and has the brains and positioning to make up for that little bit of pace he may lack.


From the Phoenix website (see below) Dodd is listed at right back....
 
LEFT FULL BACKS

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theprof wrote:
jjjordan wrote:
so if we signed durante and we plan 2 sign sigmund some defenders will be out??
 
My thoughts exactly, does that mean Dodd, Christe, Old, or O'Dor are looking for new jobs at next season?


Rumour has it Steven Old has already signed a deal for after the end of the season, working for a team so incompetent that nobody would notice his screw ups.

In other news, Winston Peter's announced the newest staff member of the Department of Immigration...
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whose joel porters current Team?
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If Phillips and Joel Porter do arrive, then Coveny and Brownlie are pretty much out of work next year.(I say Brownlie would be out of work anyway) Inter rocks2008-01-09 11:02:33
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Joel Porter Personal information Full name Joel Porter Date of birth December 25, 1978 (1978-12-25) (age 29) Place of birth    Sydney, Australia Height 5'9" (1,75 m.) Playing position striker Club information Current club Hartlepool United Number 10 Youth clubs Croydon Kings Senior clubs1 Years Club App (Gls)* 1998-1999
2000-2002
2002-2003
2003-present West Adelaide
Melbourne Knights
Sydney Olympic
Hartlepool United
Total 20 (3)
56 (24)
32 (8)
96 (25)
204 (60)    National team2 2002 Australia 4 (5)From wikipedia
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james dean wrote:
Ignore the 700k, that's nothing to do with what we'd have to pay...
 
Just to give you a feel for what Phillips might currently be earning...
 
In 2006 (the last time a large-scale study was done) the average striker's salary in the Championship was GDP 292,900. The average salary for a 34 year old was GDP 195,700.
 
 
So assuming that he earns a little bit above average for his position and age and factoring in a bit of inflation Phillips is probably on around NZD 1,000,000 per season at the moment! And that's before bonuses which the article estimates can add 60 - 100 percent of the basic wage.
 

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If Phillips and Joel Porter do arrive, then Coveny and Brownlie are pretty much out of work next year.(I say Brownlie would be out of work anyway)
 
That's one huge IF regarding Phillips. I had a trawl through the WBA forum and although they're talking of reducing their squad, Phillips is one big talisman for them and he's not down as going anywhere but back to the Prem with them. Interestingly, they reckon that despite returning from knee surgery he's playing the best football of his career.
 
The more I read about this the more likely it is that the Sydney Morning Herald got confused with WBA's other ageing striker John Hartson, who's contract expires in June 08...difference with Phillips is that since he arrived from Celtic two years ago he's been dire.
 
If I'm wrong and Phillips does come to Wellington, there will be some very shocked WBA fans as well as 'nix supporters.
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theprof wrote:
jjjordan wrote:
so if we signed durante and we plan 2 sign sigmund some defenders will be out??
 
My thoughts exactly, does that mean Dodd, Christe, Old, or O'Dor are looking for new jobs at next season?
 
I think we'll keep Dodd - he's def more of CB though. Ricki seems to like Christie too so I thinkhe'll stay, he's also capable of playing a few positions which with the squad sizes has to be a bonus.

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Yeah I was thinking that too, so maybe O'Dor and Old looking for possitions in other teams? Will be good to get some stability and strength in the defence though

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Also - when is the A- League reserve/u21 league start - does that mean an increase in squad size?

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With two of the Brazilians gone and Ross touch and go about continuing playing that'd give us 3 spots to fill plus Elrich is no guarantee to stay (he's got Bling written all over him for next season).

 
Thoughts? Would you still cull O'dor/Brownlie based on this?

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PROAK wrote:
Also - when is the A- League reserve/u21 league start - does that mean an increase in squad size?

Iff we're included in it.
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PROAK wrote:

With two of the Brazilians gone and Ross touch and go about continuing playing that'd give us 3 spots to fill plus Elrich is no guarantee to stay (he's got Bling written all over him for next season).

 
Thoughts? Would you still cull O'dor/Brownlie based on this?
 
This is tru, I reckon Aloisi may well go with his back injury, especially, perhaps we'll see O'Dor and Old relegated to the bench.

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I'd like to keep O'Dor for depth/as a prospect, and maybe keep Old as an orange cutter
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From the Newcastle daily...

Jets admit hopes of Musialik retention heading south

NEWCASTLE Jets chief executive John Tsatsimas is not holding his breath on the chances of retaining Stuart Musialik after the home-grown midfielder was linked to Melbourne yesterday.

The Jets offered Musialik and striker Mark Bridge upgraded deals in September but withdrew the contracts after both players refused to meet a deadline.

Bridge has been strongly linked to Sydney, and although the Jets have reopened talks with Musialik, they are yet to resubmit an offer.

"Nothing has moved with Stuart," Tsatsimas said.

"We have had a couple of informal conversations with him, but we have basically left it with him.

"We have left it with him several times. There has been the famous deadline, so to speak. I have continued dialogue with Stuart, but nothing has come of it.

"We have not closed the door fully, but we are not sitting here on our hands waiting for Stuart either.

"We are moving onwards and attempting to fill voids, whether that be Stuart's position or not.

"We are confident and comfortable that we have done everything possible to entice the player to stay. It is entirely a matter for the player now."

Melbourne have remained tight-lipped on their recruitment plans, but sources indicate that Musialik is at the top of their wish list ahead of their Asian Champions League campaign.

Musialik was in camp with the Olyroos yesterday but has previously indicated that he does not want to decide his future until the end of the season.

In other contract news, the Jets have tabled an offer to promising midfielder Adam D'Apuzzo and plan to do likewise with Andrew Durante and Ben Kennedy.

Wellington Phoenix have tabled a two-year deal to Durante, but the Jets refuted reports that he had already agreed to join the Kiwis.

"Wellington are pretty keen, but if Newcastle are happy to keep me and the contract is right, I am more than happy to stay," he said.


Tsatsimas also confirmed that the club were in talks with "several" players from other A-League clubs.

Newcastle are believed to be in discussions with Sydney midfielder Ruben Zadkovic and Adelaide's Lucas Pantelis.

"We have held talks with players outside the club, but they are at a delicate stage," Tsatsimas said.

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From what Hard News posted it's very doubtful Durante will come. Newcastle will want to keep him.

How long do you guys reckon Smeltz will stay here? He's on a 2 year contract, right?
valeo2008-01-09 13:36:25

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Terry Serepisos has already confirmed that a Greek international player is heading to wellington. He will take up the marquee status as Elrich will be fitted into the salary. Although the name of the player has not been revealed, he did say that the player had good overseas experience and has scored alot of goals. The player is 30 and is a striker, can use both feet. He also mentioned that he is a fringe Greek international.
 
 
It was on the internet for a secod but then dissapered.
absolute bullsh** though
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valeo wrote:
From what Hard News posted it's very doubtful Durante will come. Newcastle will want to keep him.

How long do you guys reckon Smeltz will stay here? He's on a 2 year contract, right?
until we tell him too bugger off  so maybe 10 -12 years
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Greek-Boi wrote:
Terry Serepisos has already confirmed that a Greek international player is heading to wellington. He will take up the marquee status as Elrich will be fitted into the salary. Although the name of the player has not been revealed, he did say that the player had good overseas experience and has scored alot of goals. The player is 30 and is a striker, can use both feet. He also mentioned that he is a fringe Greek international.
 
 
It was on the internet for a secod but then dissapered.
absolute bullsh** though


Aint Costa and (inevitably)  Leo enough for Greek Fever?
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Leo would be magic - would knock Costa down the list a bit though

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james dean wrote:
Ignore the 700k, that's nothing to do with what we'd have to pay...
 
Just to give you a feel for what Phillips might currently be earning...
 
In 2006 (the last time a large-scale study was done) the average striker's salary in the Championship was GDP 292,900. The average salary for a 34 year old was GDP 195,700.
 
 
So assuming that he earns a little bit above average for his position and age and factoring in a bit of inflation Phillips is probably on around NZD 1,000,000 per season at the moment! And that's before bonuses which the article estimates can add 60 - 100 percent of the basic wage.
 


I think you'll find that Phillips will be on a lot more money than that. More like 1m GBP plus bonuses.

The s**t are still on parachute payments.


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valeo wrote:


james dean wrote:
Traitor wrote:
That was exactly the reason people on SFC's forum didn't want Phillips. Because of his name not ability. Where Fowler would certainly have put bums on seats he would not have made the same impact on the field.
Juninho is capable of both.


But has achieved neither...there's always a hint of the gamble in picking a marquee. But one thing is certain, if they score goals, the crowd will love the.
Eh? Juninho has been Sydney's best player. (when on the park) The fact that he's been willing and wanting to play with crocked shoulders etc. says something about the guy too.


He's barely played in their recent run, hasn't scored, and the Daily Telegraph ran a two page story on him 5 days ago etitled "the A-League Lemon". What Sydney are you talking about?

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On the Durante thing, it has been in the paper here recently that the Jets are struggling to match other offers because of a lack of sponsor support. The 1.8m cap can be bumped up by 3rd party sponsor payments of up to 450k. At the moment they are the only team not making them so hopefully we can out bling them on Durante.

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                   Moss
 
Lochhead Ba lde Sigmund Dodd
                   Brown
Bertos         Felipe            Daniel
               Smeltz  Philips
 
That would be my side. Who needs durante when you can sign Bo bo Ba lde??
 

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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muso wrote:
jjjordan wrote:
so if we signed durante and we plan 2 sign sigmund some defenders will be out??


not necissarily.. u have to remember, because of the time constraints of signing a full squad as quickly as ricki had to, we didnt end up with as many defenders as we needed, with Rees replacing clebo we stil only have 5, it i likely we will let go either old or o'dor, so if we sign Durante, sigmund, and maybe a right back, then we will have 6-7 competent defenders, much better. remember SIgmund won't cost much coming from the NZFC
 
Old or O'Dor? Who'd you let go?

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Old.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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If Johnson and Aloisi both go (and I hope they don't), we should chase Wayne Shroj... just been having a discussion about the Aus U-17 side from 1999 and reminded me that he's buried somewhere in eastern Europe.

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That would be my side. Who needs durante when you can sign Bo bo Ba lde??
 
 
thats what they said about george
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Jag wrote:
Old.
 

End of an era.  Vinnie - It's over.

If anyone cares for my inane babbling follow @iluvnix17 on the Twitter.

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james dean wrote:
Ignore the 700k, that's nothing to do with what we'd have to pay...
 
Just to give you a feel for what Phillips might currently be earning...
 
In 2006 (the last time a large-scale study was done) the average striker's salary in the Championship was GDP 292,900. The average salary for a 34 year old was GDP 195,700.
 
 
So assuming that he earns a little bit above average for his position and age and factoring in a bit of inflation Phillips is probably on around NZD 1,000,000 per season at the moment! And that's before bonuses which the article estimates can add 60 - 100 percent of the basic wage.
 


I think you'll find that Phillips will be on a lot more money than that. More like 1m GBP plus bonuses.

The s**t are still on parachute payments.


 
You are probably right, especially as he in the second year of a two-year deal (so signed in their first year down). Going forward it's interesting to see what he could still expect to make even on an average or below average deal in the Championship though.
 
 

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I <3 Nix wrote:
Jag wrote:
Old.
 
 
Lesser of two evils at the moment, I think

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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muso wrote:
energy24.7 wrote:
On the defender thing, I think I read something about Dodd being a Right Defender (or at least capable), anyone able to confirm or deny if he has experience there?  If so, and we get Durante and Sigmund, they could be our starting CBs with Rees as cover.
 
I think Dodd would be a fairly defensive minded RB, ie not with the same attacking skills as Lochhead on the other side but otherwise I reckon he'd be fine.  Probably has just enough pace to take care of most attackers and has the brains and positioning to make up for that little bit of pace he may lack.


eh? please for the love of all things sacred no. for a start, as much as being a defender is part of a right backs game, he's also a winger much how lochhead plays in a 442, its his job to get up the field and get in the vital crosses while on attack then sprint back to get to defence, Dodd wouldnt do that as u say, it wouldnt be balanced.

and also, why the hell would u be willing yet again to put someone out of position???? we have a season behind us, a very long time to scout, why the heck cant we actually get a first team right-back whos been playing there his whole life? in a nutshell, this isnt football manager, and u can't just chuck a defender out of position, as it looks like u realise how different RB and CB are, we have been punished for it before, y do it again?
 
Calm down mate, that's why i was asking if anyone knew if he had experience there.
 
I honestly don't think it would matter that he isn't an attacking minded player like Lochhead, afterall, defence has got to be a RB's first job, and i was just saying he could fill that role.  You could then just taylor your tactics to suit the rest of the team.  For example you would have Lochhead and Daniel in tandem on the left and Elrich (assuming he did his usual wing role) and one of the midfielders/strikers in more support on the right.
 
Just as you don't want to play people out of position, each position is not 100% clearly defined.  Each has some flexibility and it's about the coach designing tactics that work best for the players/formation he has.  I was just saying if we sign two defenders (Sigmund and Durante), plus an attacker (Phillips or whoever to play with Smeltz), maybe they see Dodd as a RB (or able cover), because they mightn't have room to sign another RB.
 
Anyway, I reckon O'dor will probably go (not necessarily my preference), as he has had no game time at all, and if we signed even one more CB he would drop down to about 5th choice.
 
Or on a complete tangent, maybe Ricki has given up on using 4-4-2, so we'd have Sigmund, Durante, Dodd back 3 in the usual 3-5-2.
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Hard News wrote:
If Johnson and Aloisi both go (and I hope they don't), we should chase Wayne Shroj... just been having a discussion about the Aus U-17 side from 1999 and reminded me that he's buried somewhere in eastern Europe.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Srhoj

At the moment there is only 1 space available in the team, it sounds like Ben Sigmund has been signed so he has taken that spot. If Durante is signed, it may mean the end of Rees as his contract expires at the end of the season, if Durante is not signed Rees could get another season contract.

It is tricky trying to predict other signings, I do think Elrich should try and be fitted into the salary cap and we need a RB, even if we play 3 at the back it is useful having someone being able to play that position, and another classy striker.
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What About Leo Bertos He Played Right Back Against Central Coast.
He was great i should add.
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