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Transfer Talk - 2018/19 Season

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over 7 years ago

Squad depth has been our achilles heel before. Tuiloma would improve that definitely and Id say, get some people in the door. Fenton not a starter right? 



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over 7 years ago

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

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over 7 years ago

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Normo's coming home

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over 7 years ago

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

From the first time I watched him I really thought that he had the talent to be a great player. Has had some bad injuries which has clearly impacted on his progress.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 7 years ago

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Maybe he's been getting some? 

Seemed able to beat a player, didnt get his head up enough. Could be reasonable in attack with good screening behind him? Maybe he follows tactical plans better than others?



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over 7 years ago

Fenton in the starting line up

shark just got real in this thread


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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

Tuiloma would be very interesting, think he could do very well in this league and obviously he can play two positions which is handy. Find it odd that Tratt won't get a contract, given he seems to have found himself a place in welly and has been looking pretty happy to be back. Rudan also said he had been coming along nicely. The trialling of Burgess seems to point to  the rumour of de jong not signing being true though, so maybe Tratt really won't be signing. Pretty sure squads have to be locked in by the 15th though, so we have 2 weeks left to get our shark together

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over 7 years ago

martinb wrote:

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Maybe he's been getting some? 

Seemed able to beat a player, didnt get his head up enough. Could be reasonable in attack with good screening behind him? Maybe he follows tactical plans better than others?

You're right he is fast and can beat a player but the last time he I see him playing for the nix in the moment he took out speed to cut inside, he lost the ball, 90% of the time. I still have hope for Fenton, after all the setbacks, you have to say he is trying, I respect that a lot.

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over 7 years ago

number8 wrote:

martinb wrote:

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Maybe he's been getting some? 

Seemed able to beat a player, didnt get his head up enough. Could be reasonable in attack with good screening behind him? Maybe he follows tactical plans better than others?

You're right he is fast and can beat a player but the last time he I see him playing for the nix in the moment he took out speed to cut inside, he lost the ball, 90% of the time. I still have hope for Fenton, after all the setbacks, you have to say he is trying, I respect that a lot.

True that,

gotta give the guy credit for sticking it out and working his tail off to get back into the squad. But from a selfish point of view, the club has bigger things to be focussing on that helping an injured player find himself. We was always a pacy winger, but seems to want to cut in instead of beating a man on the outside, makes him predictable and easy to mark. As a defender he wasn't flash and I'd rather have Tratt back there over Fenton.

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over 7 years ago

theprof wrote:

number8 wrote:

martinb wrote:

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Maybe he's been getting some? 

Seemed able to beat a player, didnt get his head up enough. Could be reasonable in attack with good screening behind him? Maybe he follows tactical plans better than others?

You're right he is fast and can beat a player but the last time he I see him playing for the nix in the moment he took out speed to cut inside, he lost the ball, 90% of the time. I still have hope for Fenton, after all the setbacks, you have to say he is trying, I respect that a lot.

True that,

gotta give the guy credit for sticking it out and working his tail off to get back into the squad. But from a selfish point of view, the club has bigger things to be focussing on that helping an injured player find himself. We was always a pacy winger, but seems to want to cut in instead of beating a man on the outside, makes him predictable and easy to mark. As a defender he wasn't flash and I'd rather have Tratt back there over Fenton.

Paul Ifill really only had one move, seemed to work okay for him.
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over 7 years ago

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

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over 7 years ago

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

Batmanand Robben?

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over 7 years ago

-naz- wrote:

theprof wrote:

number8 wrote:

martinb wrote:

james dean wrote:

theprof wrote:

if Fenton is our best option as a wing back we are in serious trouble.

Maybe with some good coaching? 

Maybe he's been getting some? 

Seemed able to beat a player, didnt get his head up enough. Could be reasonable in attack with good screening behind him? Maybe he follows tactical plans better than others?

You're right he is fast and can beat a player but the last time he I see him playing for the nix in the moment he took out speed to cut inside, he lost the ball, 90% of the time. I still have hope for Fenton, after all the setbacks, you have to say he is trying, I respect that a lot.

True that,

gotta give the guy credit for sticking it out and working his tail off to get back into the squad. But from a selfish point of view, the club has bigger things to be focussing on that helping an injured player find himself. We was always a pacy winger, but seems to want to cut in instead of beating a man on the outside, makes him predictable and easy to mark. As a defender he wasn't flash and I'd rather have Tratt back there over Fenton.

Paul Ifill really only had one move, seemed to work okay for him.

Paul Ifill >>>>> Louis Fenton however, its an unfair comparison.

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over 7 years ago

I'm genuinely worried about the lack of activity

Normo's coming home

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over 7 years ago

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

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over 7 years ago

Tratt still in Australia by the looks of his insta... The rest of the squad are back here I think.

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over 7 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

exactly, far too late on to properly integrate someone into the squad. Assuming Mandi, Tratt, Callan Elliott, but don't we need a minimum of 4 signings? Can't see where the fourth player will come from, unless it's this Burgess guy. 
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over 7 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

exactly, far too late on to properly integrate someone into the squad. Assuming Mandi, Tratt, Callan Elliott, but don't we need a minimum of 4 signings? Can't see where the fourth player will come from, unless it's this Burgess guy. 

actually maybe priority for import spots goes to mandi (Defensive midfield) and we keep Yoo in the camp in case we can't sign a marquee striker. I know Mandi would be the 5th and final import, but we were looking at guest players who don't count. Maybe if we cant find any star forward then we will just sign Yoo on a guest contract, and therefore getting around the rule. Maybe by January Krishna has his residency and we could sign him permanently or get someone else in. If this is what the club are doing I'll be pretty happy, it's a smart move
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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

exactly, far too late on to properly integrate someone into the squad. Assuming Mandi, Tratt, Callan Elliott, but don't we need a minimum of 4 signings? Can't see where the fourth player will come from, unless it's this Burgess guy. 

actually maybe priority for import spots goes to mandi (Defensive midfield) and we keep Yoo in the camp in case we can't sign a marquee striker. I know Mandi would be the 5th and final import, but we were looking at guest players who don't count. Maybe if we cant find any star forward then we will just sign Yoo on a guest contract, and therefore getting around the rule. Maybe by January Krishna has his residency and we could sign him permanently or get someone else in. If this is what the club are doing I'll be pretty happy, it's a smart move

Guest players have to satisfy 'marketability' criteria, so we wouldn't be able to get Yoo on one of those. 

I'm guessing that Rudan has figured out that getting a good foreign forward is going to be difficult at this stage, so by going for a foreign DM means, in theory, we tighten things at the back and aim not to give away too many, and hope that the combination of Krishna/Burns/Singh/Williams/Nichols can score enough to keep us in the hunt. And then, if Krishna gets the citizenship before Christmas, re-evaluate and see if you can get another good import player in the January window.

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

exactly, far too late on to properly integrate someone into the squad. Assuming Mandi, Tratt, Callan Elliott, but don't we need a minimum of 4 signings? Can't see where the fourth player will come from, unless it's this Burgess guy. 

actually maybe priority for import spots goes to mandi (Defensive midfield) and we keep Yoo in the camp in case we can't sign a marquee striker. I know Mandi would be the 5th and final import, but we were looking at guest players who don't count. Maybe if we cant find any star forward then we will just sign Yoo on a guest contract, and therefore getting around the rule. Maybe by January Krishna has his residency and we could sign him permanently or get someone else in. If this is what the club are doing I'll be pretty happy, it's a smart move

Guest players have to satisfy 'marketability' criteria, so we wouldn't be able to get Yoo on one of those. 

I'm guessing that Rudan has figured out that getting a good foreign forward is going to be difficult at this stage, so by going for a foreign DM means, in theory, we tighten things at the back and aim not to give away too many, and hope that the combination of Krishna/Burns/Singh/Williams/Nichols can score enough to keep us in the hunt. And then, if Krishna gets the citizenship before Christmas, re-evaluate and see if you can get a very good import player in the January window.

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over 7 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I can't believe we are this close to the start of the season and we still have so many spots to fill.

I can only assume, despite some rumours, that Tratt and the Spanish trialist are going to be signed along with the young kiwi lad (u20 player), because the reality is, anyone else would have to come in from outside the group and would have no time to learn the systems. So unless the are "Marquee" status, any inclusions have the potential to be more disruptive than anything.

exactly, far too late on to properly integrate someone into the squad. Assuming Mandi, Tratt, Callan Elliott, but don't we need a minimum of 4 signings? Can't see where the fourth player will come from, unless it's this Burgess guy. 

actually maybe priority for import spots goes to mandi (Defensive midfield) and we keep Yoo in the camp in case we can't sign a marquee striker. I know Mandi would be the 5th and final import, but we were looking at guest players who don't count. Maybe if we cant find any star forward then we will just sign Yoo on a guest contract, and therefore getting around the rule. Maybe by January Krishna has his residency and we could sign him permanently or get someone else in. If this is what the club are doing I'll be pretty happy, it's a smart move

Guest players have to satisfy 'marketability' criteria, so we wouldn't be able to get Yoo on one of those. 

I'm guessing that Rudan has figured out that getting a good foreign forward is going to be difficult at this stage, so by going for a foreign DM means, in theory, we tighten things at the back and aim not to give away too many, and hope that the combination of Krishna/Burns/Singh/Williams/Nichols can score enough to keep us in the hunt. And then, if Krishna gets the citizenship before Christmas, re-evaluate and see if you can get another good import player in the January window.

ahh, that makes sense. Less easy to rort when Yoo has no marketability at all. I think at this stage then a DM is our best option too, if we hardly concede any goals then we'll get points. I think we forget that Krishna and Burns are very good players, Nichols too on his day, so our attack is already pretty decent on the counter. Not so worried if we sign a DM
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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

Think it’s safe to say Arjen Robben’s a bit better at cutting inside than Louis Fenton

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over 7 years ago

My five year old is better at cutting on the inside... admittedly with scissors - but still Fenton??

If he has managed to get the role a big congrats to him - i wrote him off after 3 years in the wilderness, so fair play to the lad. No one can doubt his commitment.

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

Tratt still in Australia by the looks of his insta... The rest of the squad are back here I think.

by the looks of it he was there for something that was pre planned, birthday or wedding or something. I expect he will be back in the next couple of days
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over 7 years ago

mrsmiis wrote:

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

Think it’s safe to say Arjen Robben’s a bit better at cutting inside than Louis Fenton

Yeah but it was basically his only trick, and everyone knew he was going to cut inside but still no one figured out how to stop him. There's no reason someone at the A-League level couldn't pull something similar off against A-League level defenders.

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over 7 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

Think it’s safe to say Arjen Robben’s a bit better at cutting inside than Louis Fenton

Yeah but it was basically his only trick, and everyone knew he was going to cut inside but still no one figured out how to stop him. There's no reason someone at the A-League level couldn't pull something similar off against A-League level defenders.

It is bit unfair against Robben, it's a signature move that works, how many footballers have signature moves?

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over 7 years ago

Ifill had one move but also had the uncanny ability to fool defenders into thinking he had two. Fenton doesn’t have much of a left foot and his preferred side isn’t anywhere as lethal as what Ifill’s was.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 7 years ago

james dean wrote:

I'm genuinely worried about the lack of activity

I'm clinically depressed by the lack of activity


Auckland will rise once more

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over 7 years ago · edited over 7 years ago · History

number8 wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

There's also that other guy, Robben or something?

Think it’s safe to say Arjen Robben’s a bit better at cutting inside than Louis Fenton

Yeah but it was basically his only trick, and everyone knew he was going to cut inside but still no one figured out how to stop him. There's no reason someone at the A-League level couldn't pull something similar off against A-League level defenders.

It is bit unfair against Robben, it's a signature move that works, how many footballers have signature moves?

There was nothing wrong with Vinnie's signature move.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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over 7 years ago

Pretty much every player that has a 'signature move' also has a hell of a lot else going for them as a footballer, that's how they can pull said move off.

bling blang blah
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over 7 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Assuming that's true, I doubt it's because of his football ability.

Or its a sign we are playing with wingbacks and he doesn't really fit into a 3-5-2 (or similar) system.

Would be very handy on the right of a 3 IMO
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over 7 years ago

Sure, but we already have Doyle, Dura, Fox, Lowry and Taylor who can play in a back three. 

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over 7 years ago

We've resorted to comparing Fenton with Robben. Close the thread.

a.haak

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over 7 years ago

One for the memories

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over 7 years ago

Surely no A-League team has ever been less than 3 weeks out from the season with only 16 players signed. I mean, I trust the club has a plan but jesus. Four or five October signings is pretty strange 

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over 7 years ago

Surely no A-League team has ever been less than 3 weeks out from the season with only 16 players signed. I mean, I trust the club has a plan but jesus. Four or five October signings is pretty strange 

People complain about Fenton, at the end of the month we would be happy to have a team full of Fenton's, Rogerson's and Ridenton's.

Why don't we have 20-22 players, filled with local talents, train them for last 4 month to bring them up pro football fitness, there no way suddenly 5-8 better players pop up, full fit and and get in sync with the team before the season start.

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over 7 years ago

Rudan's tentative approach to signings is either going to Kyzer Soze us and we sign some class players in the next week - or not. 

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over 7 years ago

Better or worse than DK signing up a whole bunch of Eurotrash mediocrities as quickly as he could?


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over 7 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Better or worse than DK signing up a whole bunch of Eurotrash mediocrities as quickly as he could?

To be fair, he signed 3 and they weren't actually that bad. Kalu was banging them in (admittedly with his head) until the team fell to pieces. There's nothing really so far pointing to the ones that Rudan has brought in being any better.

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