The Great 2016/17 Coaching Saga

How would YOU change the culture of the club?

I think some people are misreading others posts on some of this stuff.While it might seem like just angst or complaining for the sake of it.I think that devalues the passion that many of us have.People didnt buy into the #savethenix just for the hell of it.Many of the posts that i have read are from people who are passionate about the Phoenix and the idea that we may lose them is just not worth thinking about.What is so wrong with people throwing suggestions out there,  frankly some of these discussions are more interesting than the bloody football we play

Sweetheart, if I knew that, I wouldn't be wasting my time here, I'd be polishing my CV and ringing up Rob Morrison demanding to be made Director of Football.

But in my utterly worthless opinion, WelNix are doing a good job with the corporate stuff - eg successfully getting the licence extension at all - and the football stuff should properly not be their concern except in hiring/firing staff. Remember how stupid Gareth Morgan looked turning up to training?

IMHO it's with the football committee that the buck stops re: team culture.

Speaking of team culture...

I'm going to assume he means Roly, maybe Finkler as well, who else? That's the kind of shark that the coach and the football committee have to nip in the bud if we're ever going to improve - players who think they're too good for us and are only here to collect what they see as an easy pay cheque (which is, coincidentally, the reason I think marquee players would be counterproductive)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_workplace

"We've got a few players out there who just kind of do what they want and don't stick to the game-plan and it shows.

"We've been [working on] it for the last couple of weeks but it just doesn't sink in."

FFS been working on it for the last couple of weeks would bloody well hope a bit more than that has been put in.Then again given the season we have had maybe not..

You can't assume any of those names actually. \

Ernie said same thing.

I crave to hear alternative theories about who it is who does what they want on the field and ignores the coach(es)'s game plan.

100% this

The proper setup for a club is the owners make sure that the club functions off the field.....financially etc. They then should appoint experts who have the knowledge and the ability to run things on the field. Up until now Welnix have got most things bang on....we are one of the better managed A-League clubs. However IMO, I think over time Welnix have allowed player power to upset the balance of the club.

I have just finished reading Carlos Ancellotti's auto biography. It a great read. His comments about player input are relevant to the Nix setup. According to Carlos having leaders in the team is vital for the success of the club on the field. However he points out that the coach should always have 100% control. If senior players start thinking that they know better how to run things then the team is on a slippery slope. 

I have been of the opinion that too many Nix players are going through the motions, too many appear to think they know how to run things better. IMO the appointment of Des as head coach and the continuation of Greenacre in the coaching setup are an illustration of player power. Many senior players publically lobbied to have these two as coaches after Ernie left. Having two such novice inexperianced coaches appointed flew in the face of all established footballing logic.

At the time Ernie left Welnix advertised the coach job and we were told that a number of high quality international coaches had applied. We instead appointed Des and Greenie. The arguement that they were just caretakers was bogus and to me showed a complete lack of ambition by Welnix. A new experianced coach would have been dropped in the deep end but at least they would have got half a season with the players. A proper coach would be now in be in a position to have seen his players in action and to be able to make recruiting/retention decisions for next season. Instead someone is going to come in cold at the end of the season. Six months have been wasted IMO

Now we are in the position where this disasterous season has further damaged the Nix brand. The negativity surrounding the club can't be understated.....and it covers media, the public and a big section of formally loyal supporters. It will be very difficult to haul this around next season.

You want to change the team culture? start by readdressing the balance between players and management. Start off by getting a coach with the mana to call the shots. As Ancellotti said "at the end of the day the coach gets it in the neck for the teams performance....the coach should always be the boss"

I agree with that - the momentum built up during the time of licence renewal gave us goodwill, but the on-field results fell off soon afterwards. After Ernie left the string of generally poor performances under Des and Greeni gave rise to renewed queries as to "what do we actually contribute to the league" etc.   This is different from the losses Adelaide had, where they actually showed some guts in their losses. Our losses to Melb City and even to WSW were just dire.  It comes to show how much this club's mana rides on good results - much more than that of CCM or of Adelaide, it seems.  Mana is not metrics, but in our case it seems linked.

I am curious as whether this post was from 23 Feb 2009, 2010 or 2011.

2017...

Troll??

If there was a post of the year this would be it. 

100 per cent this

Jose for Nix ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/91282122/wellington-phoenix-gm-david-dome-praises-cocoaches-record-since-taking-over

"So does that mean the pair are frontrunners to be reappointed for next season?

"What basically is going to happen is there will be the next two games and as soon as the Phoenix are out of the finals or out of the season, the club is going to move very quickly on a new coach, either the reappointment of Chris and Des, or an external," Dome said.

Sounds like Dome already knows who that will be.

Although they've said this before, remember we were going to have new coaches in place by Christmas.

If they win the next two games then I wouldn't actually mind it too much.

Des and Greenie's record over their first 6-7 games wasn't that great - but they've showed since that they can at the very least foot it with the big boys in the league.

I don't think they've done enough against top flight teams just yet (despite spanking Victory 3-0 twice), but two decent results against Sydney and Brisbane (perhaps 4 points)  and I think you'd be stupid to not genuinely consider them for the full time role next season.

Whether they stay or go they've done themselves proud. Afterall, the Phoenix manager was dubbed as the hardest job in the league, and  they've got a couple of good results at the helm. In saying this, I just want to see the club make some ambitious decisions for next season whether that involves manager or player signings. 

We can still make the top 6 kind off, So if we make the finals then some questions will need to be asked and answered for the coaching gig.

As far as I am concerned it they are re-appointed I fear it will be more of the same, couple of wins -7 losses and another seson will go by. I dont want to particularly want to debate this or argue the finer points with anyone but my gut feeling is that with the possible advent of extra teams coming into the a-league and the nix needing to complete the FFA's metrics to stay it be a better option to look for a manager that has good contacts and/or experience of the australian football scene

The question that must be asked is:

Can you see a team Coached / Managed by Des and Greenie winning the League in the next three years? No matter how much I wish that it would happen I just can not see it actually happening.

That is the standard we must be setting ourselves if we want to be here in four years.

I think this is a good point - I'm not sure we can take the chance of another "meh" season.  On the other hand if they can win the last couple of games I would back them for re-appointment.  The results have still been pretty good and that would be an excellent finish to the year.

So yes I can see it happening, just not with Des and Greenie at the helm 

Though I think since those times, there have been a tonne of changes to the league that mean the richer clubs are far more likely to perform year after year, and the opportunity for smaller clubs may just have about gone. 

It will always be tough for us, but every now and then the underdog "does a Leicester".  An Ifill or a Burns (or a Berisha or Broich) appear from nowhere and become game changers

Oh absolutely. Just think that normally you'd expect a team to win it every 10 seasons. But now days I reckon we'd (and jets, CCM and perhaps Perth) be closer to 20 years.

Adelaide won it last year, I don't know if they spend a ton more than we do.

Helped by Victory and Sydney being pretty average. Like I say it's stack for the two Sydney and Melbourne team. Every now and again they won't win and lesser teams will have a chance. 

I would like us to beat Perth Glory more often for this to happen.   They are actually no worse than Adelaide and are as likely to win the GF as Adelaide or Brisbane might in any given year.   With 4/10 teams in the league from Sydney or Melbourne, it is just statistically more likely that a club from one of just two cities wins any given year.

LOL, apparently a lady on my team was doing the door at some football-related function in Wellington on the weekend, and Des and Greenie tried to get in without wristbands and resorted to the DO YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE?! routine.

How embarrassing.

No, will ask the lady in question on Sunday, she's new to the team and I only overheard the conversation.