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phoenix_luver wrote:
hepatitis wrote:

phoenix_luver wrote:
Doloras wrote:

phoenix_luver wrote:
Fraid its a 451. Will Ricki never realize that Greenie can't do upfront by himself???
sauce: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/4666925/Phoenix-skipper-keen-to-protect-teen-star/
The article says that's what'll happen if Lia's fit. Is it wrong to hope he's not?


Not at all.
Another article in the same paper says



    "The coach's preference is to revert to a 4-3-3 with the old firm of
Lia, Tim Brown and Manny Muscat in midfield, leaving a front three of
Rojas and Nick Ward on the flanks, and probably the in-form Dylan
Macallister in the middle."

this written by Fred Woodcock

    


GOD I HOPE LIA IS OKAY. PLEASE NO 451.
 
 
The Woodie has spoken.
 
In Fred we trust.
 

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Jag wrote:
theprof wrote:
in this squad why on earth would Ricki put Hearfield up front in a game that is must win??? ......
 
I heard it on Radio Sport as I drove to work this morning, almost crashed the car.
 
IF it's true, only reason I could think of is that he wants to play 4-5-1 and would play Hearfield wide for his pace, both going forward and defensively.
 
Not sure I think it's a great idea though. 
WTF???? Please please let this be shenanigans by Ricki.
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I don't think this is such a bad plan by Ricky to play Troy in the attacking wide role.
It seems Lia is not 100% fit to start so Ward shifting into the middle should do the job just fine.
Daniel would be next in line for the wide berth but let's be honest he's been ineffectual this season so pushing Troy forward into his more natural attacking role makes sense. My only question mark is his crossing ability, or lack of.
This then allows us to play our best defensive players (IMO) with North, Siggy and Dura all starting, along with TL as well of course.
Greenie and Ifill to provide impact off the bench.
 

All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies

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Star striker Paul Ifill and midfielder Vince Lia, who are both returning from injury, will be on the Wellington Phoenix bench for tonight�s elimination final against Adelaide United at Hindmarsh Stadium.

Ifill was never a chance to make the starting line up, but coach Ricki Herbert was hoping Lia, who has been in fine form this season, would be fit enough to start.

�Unfortunately Vinnie isn�t quite there yet, so he will be on the bench,� Herbert said.

�We will be able to get a good 20 to 30 minutes out of him if needed.�

In a surprise move Troy Hearfield, who has been at right back in recent weeks, will move further forward, with Jade North moving from centre back to right full back, a position he has filled for the Socceroos.

Captain Andrew Durante, returning from a two-match suspension, will partner Ben Sigmund in the centre of defence.

The team is: Danny Vukovic, Jade North, Ben Sigmund, Andrew Durante, Tony Lochhead, Manny Muscat, Nicky Ward, Tim Brown, Troy Hearfield, Dylan Macallister, Marco Rojas. Substitutes: Chris Greenacre, Vince Lia, Paul Ifill, Daniel, Reece Crowther (GK).

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All this doom and gloom about 451

Chris and Dylan have started 4 games together since January for 2 wins and 2 losses and against Sydney and NQF we didn't play that well.

I can understand Rick's rationale if he wants to use Troy further forward as he hopefully will be better tracking the runs of Cassio.

I just hope that Brown plays better than he has in recent weeks, or if he plays like he has at least get on the scoresheet.
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Do we really think Disco can do this job better than Daniel?

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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
At least he's quicker, poorer delivery though. Dunno about this, seems a bit like get all your best players on the pitch. My biggest concern is North at RB. Seem to remember he struggled there a bit earlier in the season. I do prefer Ward in a central role rather than out wide though and I wanted the 4-3-2-1 rather than 4-4-2.
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I'm lovign Ricki's efforts to keep them guessing.  Formation chop and change, different rumours, Troy in or out.
 
Maybe they see Troys pace as a better foil for Cassio (beep beep) than Daniel's guile.  Plus ge got way up Slorry last time so they might see this as a chance to get SLorry in trouble early.
 
I like it, and I'm not PATT's greatest fan.

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Will be at a party tonight, SKY not included. Will be aparty pooper and be sitting on a laptop somewhere streaming the game.
I recall someone posting a website, that streamed A league games LIVE. Sorry couldn't find it again.
 
If someone could help me out?

All Aboard the Phoenix/ All Whites Bandwagon!!

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pfffft Hearfield up front, what clown reported that, he's gonna play on the wing, which is what he's actually meant to do, he's a midfielder come RB for god sake!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Doloras wrote:
Do we really think Disco can do this job better than Daniel?
 
Defensively, probably. Going forward, who knows!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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theprof wrote:

pfffft Hearfield up front, what clown reported that, he's gonna play on the wing, which is what he's actually meant to do, he's a midfielder come RB for god sake!

 
Probably somebody who doesn't understand all the tactical nuances of the beautiful game like what we do!
 
On paper, he's moved from one of the 4 at the back to one of the 3 up front

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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" Yes Jag but the game isnt played on paper, its played on that big green thing. I think there is going to be a few twists and turns here today."
Junior822011-02-18 12:02:45

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Junior82 wrote:
" Yes Jag but the game isnt played on paper, its played on that big green thing. I think there is going to be a few twists and turns here today."
 
"Very much so, Junior. Tough one to call, I fancy it'll be a game of two halves. It could go either way, but I'll stick my neck out and say that the team who scores the most goals will probably win this one."
Jag2011-02-18 12:07:16

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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"Well the Nix can do one of two things.  They can go on or not"

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Junior82 wrote:
"Well the Nix can do one of two things.  They can go on or not"
 
"Very much so. It's all about who wants it the most"

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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"Jag, take a bow son"

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Junior82 wrote:
"Jag, take a bow son"
 
"Thanks, Junior. At this level, it's all about consistency"

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Troy will do better job for the team than Daniel will regardless of the formation...in my mind I see it as 4-4-2 with Marco and Troy swapping over and working with Lochy and North to use pace down the flanks....article in Dom Post assumed Adelaides right back would mark Marco..which works well if he starts on the left but I think he does better work on the right.

4-4-3...pfffft

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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Getting amped! Looking forward to drowing out the Red Army. Come on Nix!
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Boro4eva wrote:

Troy will do better job for the team than Daniel will regardless of the formation...in my mind I see it as 4-4-2 with Marco and Troy swapping over and working with Lochy and North to use pace down the flanks....article in Dom Post assumed Adelaides right back would mark Marco..which works well if he starts on the left but I think he does better work on the right.

4-4-3...pfffft
 
Pfffft indeed, unless there's been a sneaky change to the Laws Of The Game...  

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Good tactic of RIcki's.  Marco is so small that we can sneak an extra player on.

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Making these sort of changes can be very risky.Some players have the nouse to play in many different positions. If it comes off then Ricki is a hero, if it does not, then he is an idiot.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Sack Ricki!
 
(just getting in early)
 

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Good tactics by Ricki, Daniel's best role is coming off the bench, Lia isn't fit enough to start so this line-up makes sense.

             Vuko
North    Siggy Dura   Lochy
        Mus"Flores"cat
     Ward           Brown
Hearfield              Rojas
            DMac

Bench: Greenie (15mins), Daniel (20mins), Lia (only with injuries), Ifill (15mins)

COYN!ScoobyD2011-02-18 12:43:02
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Leggy wrote:
Making these sort of changes can be very risky.Some players have the nouse to play in many different positions. If it comes off then Ricki is a hero, if it does not, then he is an idiot.
 
bearing in mind that Troy is/was a midfield option when he came to us, Ricki made him a makeshift RB which he has done ok at....
theprof2011-02-18 12:42:47

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Vukovic got the penalty, Hearfield got the position change.
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ScoobyD wrote:
Good tactics by Ricki, Daniel's best role is coming off the bench, Lia isn't fit enough to start so this line-up makes sense.

             Vuko
North    Siggy Dura   Lochy
        Mus"Flores"cat
     Ward           Brown
Hearfield              Rojas
            DMac

Bench: Greenie (15mins), Daniel (20mins), Lia (only with injuries), Ifill (15mins)

COYN!

And to add that this tactic is ...ahem... tactically neutral when comparing to Adelaide's favoured 4231 (though without Reid that may change). Basically both defences have a spare defender and the midfielders match their opposites exactly (1DM-1AM/2CM-2DM).
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Disappointed for Greenie
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sthn.jeff wrote:
Disappointed for Greenie
 
He was interviewed on Radio Sport this morning.
 
(Sorry, that's not really a massively insightful addition to the thread but it just popped into my head when you mentioned him)
Jag2011-02-18 13:00:04

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Disappointed for Greenie
 
He was interviewed on Radio Sport this morning.


And?
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Read edited post above. 
 
Didn't say much. Fired up, happy to be underdogs, confident, he thinks Marco should stay at least one more season..
Jag2011-02-18 13:01:37

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
Disappointed for Greenie
 
He was interviewed on Radio Sport this morning.
 
(Sorry, that's not really a massively insightful addition to the thread but it just popped into my head when you mentioned him)
 
What did Greenie say?
 
And ... does any one have any idea of how many Phoenix fans will be at Hindmarsh tonight? Last time they were at Adelaide there seemed to be a goodly number, 30 or 40 or so.
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Jag wrote:
Read edited post above. 
 
Didn't say much. Fired up, happy to be underdogs, confident, he thinks Marco should stay at least one more season..


Thanks. He is, in my opinion the most professional player at the club. Be it in the way he speaks to the media, trains or even warms up. An absolute class act!
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Getting closer. So can't wait for this. FIRE IT UP

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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sthn.jeff wrote:
Jag wrote:
Read edited post above. 
 
Didn't say much. Fired up, happy to be underdogs, confident, he thinks Marco should stay at least one more season..


Thanks. He is, in my opinion the most professional player at the club. Be it in the way he speaks to the media, trains or even warms up. An absolute class act!
 
Yup. Came across very well this morning

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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sthn.jeff wrote:
Jag wrote:
Read edited post above. 
 
Didn't say much. Fired up, happy to be underdogs, confident, he thinks Marco should stay at least one more season..


Thanks. He is, in my opinion the most professional player at the club. Be it in the way he speaks to the media, trains or even warms up. An absolute class act!
 
True!
 
(don't know about the training or warming up but)

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Hm haven't seen Hearfield up front for ages! He has improved a lot and I guess he wants to show off to CCM all the ways he can play.
Funny that Riki should start him in that position instead of Greenie.
Could see it working, could also see it not.
COYN!!
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Jag wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:

Troy will do better job for the team than Daniel will regardless of the formation...in my mind I see it as 4-4-2 with Marco and Troy swapping over and working with Lochy and North to use pace down the flanks....article in Dom Post assumed Adelaides right back would mark Marco..which works well if he starts on the left but I think he does better work on the right.

4-4-3...pfffft
 
Pfffft indeed, unless there's been a sneaky change to the Laws Of The Game...  
 
I assume this means that after last game, Vuko is playing up front. Who needs a goalie anyway?
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