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 I hope we sign Bran, he looks like a good defender. linds22011-07-26 23:46:49

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cheers had not seen that. behind the times.

 
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Stress it's a rumour only - but it does match with Piney on the pod who mentioned Ricki was looking at an Australian from overseas
 
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/210226,bouzanis-for-phoenix.aspx
 
Good player and bags of potential - but with Pasty a permacrock who you be happy with this guy as the number 1?  I think I probably would - especially compared to some of the other guys number 1 in the league.
 
Clearly he had a great deal of talent at a young age and always looked like a player who had a big future in the game - seems like he lost his way a bit at Liverpool.  There was an unfortunate situation where he was caught touting free tickets that he got as a player for both the derby against Everton and the Champions League match against Real Madrid.  The fans went off on one in a pre-season friendly abusing him and generally he fell out of favour around the place.  I though tthis was an interesting comment in a thread on his release from Liverpool:
 
"From what I have seen and been told Bouzanis was the perfect example of a kid who was overhyped at a young age and lost his way.

His father was something to do with Australian "soccer" I believe and marketed Dean from a very early age through You Tube videos, stating he was the best keeper in the world for his age and trying to prove it with clips of flying saves when in his early teens. He was undoubtedly a talented lad who then came to Liverpool with much hype and was clever enough to base his goalkeeping style on Pepe Reina, adopting the same quick distribution, side volley kick and speed around the box.

At first glance this made him stand out from the other keepers and obviously was pleasing on the eye to those making decisions. Under the old goalkeeping regime at Kirkby he was given a big contract and was played regularly at Youth and briefly reserve level. We then changed goalkeeping coaches to John Achterberg and Mark Morris under the increasing influence of Xavi Valero and he seemed to lose his place in the pecking order to Gulasci and perhaps more surprisingly Hansen. This is when the rumours of his attitude started to surface.

At this time I was lucky enough to be a regular visitor to Kirkby and have dealings with Achterberg and on one occasion after training I spoke to him in passing about the older keepers and particualrly Bouzanis. It was the time when he was on loan at Accrington Stanley and Achterberg to my surprise (as they didn't usually comment on individuals) was openly critical of the lads attitude in general and particularly to being sent out on loan to a club like Accrington. Achterberg was a very down to earth type of coach with the attitude that you get what you put in to goalkeeping and you should be grateful to be playing the game at any level.

After this Bouzanis became more and more a peripheral figure getting less and less opportunities, tweeting more and more (usually about eating in Nandos) and obviously getting more and more fed up with his position at the club, leading to the very strangely styled and timed announcement.

Strangely I ran into the lad at Blackburn a couple of months ago when he was watching his younger brother have a trial with a couple of other Aussie keepers and I believe his father who I think has some sort of goalkeeping set up back in Australia. He seemed a nice enough lad but is probably I really good lesson in why we shouldn't over hype young footballers until they have actually achieved something with the 1st team."
james dean2011-07-27 03:12:03

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.
 
The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.
 
Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.  I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues. 
 
And the money and job security in the A League is generally better.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Two other key drivers for that though:

 
1, A lot of the young Australian are a generation closer to European heritage than seems to be the case so they can find gigs in Europe much more easily than the kiwi lads who are left with College as a more viable option (Shannon Cole is about the only Aussie I can think of that went through college in the US).
 
2, Australia's reputation and ranking both enable a European path.  I just don't think the MLS is on the radar for them as they have the other options.  Many local players don't.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Totally! We have a tried and tested formula for this.
1/ Sign disgruntled keeper as a backup for Paston
2/ Paston gets injured
3/ #2 Keeper puts in some star performances
4/ #2 Keeper signs for another a-league club for the following season
5/ #2 Keeper plays sh*t for the new club and gets rubbished.
 
Moss, Reddy, Vukuovic... now Bouzanis???
Actually I'm not sure that I believe he is going to come but I wouldn't be complaining.
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Plus we just plain and simply hate the Seppo's!
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Na na na na na na na na na na na
Deano Bouzanis! Bouzanis! Deano Bouzanis! 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.
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Sign him up for a decent amount of time so we get a transfer fee as we know he'll go eventually.
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loyalgunner wrote:
Sign him up for a decent amount of time so we get a transfer fee as we know he'll go eventually.
 
This!
 
4+ Years should suffice!
 
 

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.


Wouldn't be surprised at all to see this happen.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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would be very keen to have him- and would want him to have the first crack at a starting spot in preseason too. If he doesnt perform then we do have Pasty.


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Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.


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The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.

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Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.� I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues.�


Hmm. While there may not be a chasm between the two leagues, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's seen games in both of the leagues that the general standard of play and technical ability is noticably higher in the MLS.

Not to mention that organisationally, the MLS is built on much stronger foundations than the A-league.
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Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.
 
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Hard News wrote:

Two other key drivers for that though:


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1, A lot of the young Australian are a generation closer to European heritage than seems to be the case so they can find gigs in Europe much more easily than the kiwi lads who are left with College as a more viable option (Shannon Cole is about the only Aussie I can think of that went through college in the US).

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2, Australia's reputation and ranking both enable a European path.� I just don't think the MLS is on the radar for them as they have the other options.� Many local players don't.

3, A lot of Australian youth have had some connection to a professional league or club during their development which, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, does not allow them to receive sport scholarships from American colleges.
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goldienz wrote:
Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.


Wouldn't be surprised at all to see this happen.
 
agreed

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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The name makes me think of a certain controversial getaway driver, so i'm feeling negative towards him already, but if he makes a good backup for Paston I could get over it. aitkenmike2011-07-27 13:38:15
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el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.


 
The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.

 

Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.  I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues. 


Hmm. While there may not be a chasm between the two leagues, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's seen games in both of the leagues that the general standard of play and technical ability is noticably higher in the MLS.

Not to mention that organisationally, the MLS is built on much stronger foundations than the A-league.
 
Andrew Boyens plays week in and week out in the MLS. 
 
Simon Elliot is another, different type of, example.  I rate Elliot and he's one of my footballing heroes (proof that regardless of quality of hair do you can be successful at the highest level), but he is commanding a position in the centre of midfield for one of the big MLS clubs, and doing very well, and I just am not convinced that he should be able to do that in a league that is light years ahead of the A League.
 
And don't overlook what happened to Duncan Oughton.  One week earning really good money, the next unemployed with no income.  That cannot happen in the A League but it can in the MLS.
 
Smithy2011-07-27 14:09:51

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Massive signing if we get Dean imo.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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He didn't want to go to Victory because he was behind Tando Velaphi, so he's obviously seen as the starting keeper here.
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Smithy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.


�
The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.

�

Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.� I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues.�
Hmm. While there may not be a chasm between the two leagues, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's seen games in both of the leagues that the general standard of play and technical ability is noticably higher in the MLS. Not to mention that organisationally, the MLS is built on much stronger foundations than the A-league.

�

Andrew Boyens plays week in and week out in the MLS.�

�

Simon Elliot is another, different type of, example.� I rate Elliot and he's one of my footballing heroes (proof that regardless of quality of hair do you can be successful at the highest level), but he is commanding a position in the centre of midfield for one of the big MLS clubs, and doing very well, and I just am not convinced that he should be able to do that in a league that is light years ahead of the A League.

�

And don't overlook what happened to Duncan Oughton.� One week earning really good money, the next unemployed with no income.� That cannot happen in the A League but it can in the MLS.

�


A bit silly looking at individual players' experiences as the basis of comparison between different leagues though, isn't it?

By the same token you could say Smeltzy couldn't buy a goal in the Conference, and has been the top scorer here twice in a row, ergo Conference > A-league - and I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that.

As for the job security, it's just the way things are done in US professional sports - it doesn't change the fact that the MLS has firm foundations and is steadily and safely expanding, while half the A-league is grimly holding on by the skin of their teeth.
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paullt wrote:
goldienz wrote:
Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.
Wouldn't be surprised at all to see this happen.

�

agreed


Actually, i heard that when Paston underwent his latest surgery on his knees, Ricki asked for a couple of minor adjustments that might give him the edge over this young guy.

Here's a pic of Paston at training last week. I can't figure out what's so different about him. Has he put on some weight or something in the off season?

goldienz2011-07-27 16:22:03

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:

Two other key drivers for that though:


 

1, A lot of the young Australian are a generation closer to European heritage than seems to be the case so they can find gigs in Europe much more easily than the kiwi lads who are left with College as a more viable option (Shannon Cole is about the only Aussie I can think of that went through college in the US).

 

2, Australia's reputation and ranking both enable a European path.  I just don't think the MLS is on the radar for them as they have the other options.  Many local players don't.

3, A lot of Australian youth have had some connection to a professional league or club during their development which, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, does not allow them to receive sport scholarships from American colleges.
 
Yarn. 
 
Example?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.

The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.
Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.  I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues. 
Hmm. While there may not be a chasm between the two leagues, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's seen games in both of the leagues that the general standard of play and technical ability is noticably higher in the MLS. Not to mention that organisationally, the MLS is built on much stronger foundations than the A-league.

Andrew Boyens plays week in and week out in the MLS. 

Simon Elliot is another, different type of, example.  I rate Elliot and he's one of my footballing heroes (proof that regardless of quality of hair do you can be successful at the highest level), but he is commanding a position in the centre of midfield for one of the big MLS clubs, and doing very well, and I just am not convinced that he should be able to do that in a league that is light years ahead of the A League.

And don't overlook what happened to Duncan Oughton.  One week earning really good money, the next unemployed with no income.  That cannot happen in the A League but it can in the MLS.


A bit silly looking at individual players' experiences as the basis of comparison between different leagues though, isn't it?

By the same token you could say Smeltzy couldn't buy a goal in the Conference, and has been the top scorer here twice in a row, ergo Conference > A-league - and I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that.

As for the job security, it's just the way things are done in US professional sports - it doesn't change the fact that the MLS has firm foundations and is steadily and safely expanding, while half the A-league is grimly holding on by the skin of their teeth.
 
In the absence of regular games between sides from two leagues there isn't much else to go on in the way of a factual comparison.
 
I certainly agree that the MLS is a stronger league.  Obviously so, with the likes of Henry and David Beckham (TM) playing in it.
 
All I was saying is that the Aussies don't think of it as a much greater step forward than playing A League as a stepping stone to Europe.
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Here's a prediction for you: Paston is signed as the new GK coach for the Nix, playing less and less as the season progresses until this new guy take sover with Paston as back up.


Unless Pasty actually has a coaching qualification similar to Greenie's, I don't buy it.

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Smithy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
Interesting as well that there aren't a whole lot of aussies in the MLS. They tend to return home or play in slightly inferior leagues in Asia for more money rather than play at that level.

The prevailing view in Australia is that the MLS is of no higher standard than the A League.

Before you rubbish that notion, and I did too intiially, I think it has some degree of legitimacy.� I certainly don't think there is a chasm between the two leagues.�
Hmm. While there may not be a chasm between the two leagues, I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's seen games in both of the leagues that the general standard of play and technical ability is noticably higher in the MLS. Not to mention that organisationally, the MLS is built on much stronger foundations than the A-league.

Andrew Boyens plays week in and week out in the MLS.�

Simon Elliot is another, different type of, example.� I rate Elliot and he's one of my footballing heroes (proof that regardless of quality of hair do you can be successful at the highest level), but he is commanding a position in the centre of midfield for one of the big MLS clubs, and doing very well, and I just am not convinced that he should be able to do that in a league that is light years ahead of the A League.

And don't overlook what happened to Duncan Oughton.� One week earning really good money, the next unemployed with no income.� That cannot happen in the A League but it can in the MLS.
A bit silly looking at individual players' experiences as the basis of comparison between different leagues though, isn't it? By the same token you could say Smeltzy couldn't buy a goal in the Conference, and has been the top scorer here twice in a row, ergo Conference > A-league - and I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that. As for the job security, it's just the way things are done in US professional sports - it doesn't change the fact that the MLS has firm foundations and is steadily and safely expanding, while half the A-league is grimly holding on by the skin of their teeth.


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In the absence of regular games between sides from two leagues there isn't much else to go on in the way of a factual comparison.
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I certainly agree that the MLS is a stronger league.� Obviously so, with the likes of Henry and David Beckham (TM) playing in it.

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All I was saying is that the Aussies don't think of it as a much greater step forward than playing A League as a stepping stone to Europe.

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So we don't really disagree at all on this then.

Hah. I wish I could have the ten minutes I took typing those posts back.
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Smithy wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Hard News wrote:

Two other key drivers for that though:


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1, A lot of the young Australian are a generation closer to European heritage than seems to be the case so they can find gigs in Europe much more easily than the kiwi lads who are left with College as a more viable option (Shannon Cole is about the only Aussie I can think of that went through college in the US).

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2, Australia's reputation and ranking both enable a European path.� I just don't think the MLS is on the radar for them as they have the other options.� Many local players don't.
[/QUOTE] 3, A lot of Australian youth have had some connection to a professional league or club during their development which, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, does not allow them to receive sport scholarships from American colleges.

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Yarn.�

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Example?


[QUOTE=Smithy]
You're confusing NCAA Divs 1 and 2 with Div 3 and NAIA.

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VERY unlikely that anyone who has been a pro is playing in NCAA 1/2 and certain that if they are they won't be receiving scholarship dollars.

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I have heard of people getting pulled up on it.� I also know the NCAA Clearing House has recently done some digging into some prospective scholar athletes.

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Tip for the unwary - if your club is paying you 'expense money' then get them to pay your parents instead.� Just to keep your nose clean.

Not 100% sure of the status of NSWPL, VPL etc. is but with NYL there will be some that probably are good enough to receive a sports scholarship, if they so choose to. I suppose it will mean someone like Musa will not be getting one.

How else do you give an example when it can't happen.
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El Grap and Smithy - do you think it is fair to say that a mid range aussie pro, good A-League player but  not a socceroo - I'm thinking to take a random stab, Manny Muscat or Stu Musalik orTravis Dodd (you know the type I'm getting at) - could earn significantly more in Australia than in the MLS?

i.e. They may not see the A-League as a better level but as a better option...

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:

El Grap and Smithy - do you think it is fair to say that a mid range aussie pro, good A-League player but� not a socceroo - I'm thinking to take a random stab, Manny Muscat or Stu Musalik orTravis Dodd (you know the type I'm getting at) - could earn significantly more in Australia than in the MLS?


i.e. They may not see the A-League as a better level but as a better option...


Yep - and this is also where Smithy's point about job security comes in too, in most professional US sports cutting players mid-season is pretty common.

There's also the significant difference in the size of player pool that each league is able to draw on - meaning that your mid-range Aussie pro is much more valuable in the A-league than in the MLS.
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The mls is one of the few leagues to publish salaries and if you look at the coin that the boyens, boxells and for that matter Elliot are on it's not that flash. I have no idea what timmy brown is on at the Phoenix but assuming it is an above average a league wage he would be earning more then Elliot.

Auckland will rise once more

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Where is that info mate - would be interested to know the details
 
Pretty sure avergae A-League salaries are over $100k Aussie now aren't they?  That's pretty decent when you compare the exchange rate.  Guess you'd pay a lot less tax in the US

Normo's coming home

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very interesting, cheers.  Seems to be 3 pay levels, mega bucks, 80-180 and less than 50.  Would think lower A-League guys are probably better paid but MLS stars get considerably morejames dean2011-07-27 22:19:51

Normo's coming home

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Just to make it easier
Kiwis
Boyens $60,000
Elliot $75,000 + $4000 compensation
Gleeson $42,000 + $2000 compensation
Boxall $42,000

Im not sure how the compensation system works

But according to A-leaugue (wikipedia) A-league average wage is $106,608.... Whilst the minimum is $46,215

But as it has been said The mega bucks in MLS is the difference in class... Whilst the average a-leauge seems better than the average MLS

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What is everyones thoughts on Stephen Old trialling with Perth Glory and Kris Bright trialling with Portland Timbers?
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pretty cool


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Nobody have any comment on Matt Thurtell whose traing with Nix for next 2 weeks according to stuff sports section.
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uhfan wrote:

Nobody have any comment on Matt Thurtell whose traing with Nix for next 2 weeks according to stuff sports section.




Well he looks like a t**ser.

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