Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

last time I heard, he was trying to secure an A-League contract. Don't if he's trialling with other clubs too though

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I really don't understand how this "he's not a kiwi" card comes out whenever someone doesn't like a player. The Nix are suddenly transformed into New Zealand Football - or the All Whites!

This statement is just B.S.

Look, if you want a team full of foreigners you can watch the Premier league on Capitalist Bastards TV. If you also want a team full of foreigners at the Phoenix that are purely a "demonstration" team then that is what they will become if there is no majority contained Kiwis in it.

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milkweedman wrote:

Look, if you want a team full of foreigners you can watch theï¿½Premier leagueï¿½on Capitalist Bastards TV. If you also want a team full of foreigners at the Phoenixï¿½that are purely a "demonstration" team then that is what they will become if there is no majority contained Kiwis in it.

Ummmmm did you just have an argument with yourself on a public form? Respect.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think he's just not quite mastered the quote tags. Hard News2011-07-25 15:29:12

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Signing young aussies will def grow the game here. sigh

Not that I entirely disagree with some of your point, I would suggest that in less than 36 hours in Auckland I spotted more Phoenix merchandise than I ever spotted of Kingz/Knights gear away from Kingz/Knights matches in Auckland (in fact it was probably more than I spotted AT Knights matches :-) ).

Perhaps the make-up of the Phoenix isn't as important as some would have us believe.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

speaking of which there were no phoenix scarves or shirts on sale at the under 20 game. 4000 potential new customers - not flash from the CEO or whoever is in charge of marketing (do we have a marketing manager?). I would have brought a scarf and shirt for my daughter. It cant have been difficult to load some on the bus AucklandPhoenix2011-07-25 16:07:17

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AucklandPhoenix wrote:

SACK NATHAN!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When your new supplier isn't announced and hasn't produced any stock then it's pretty damn difficult.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

SACK NEW SUPPLIER!!!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

and no doubt if they sold the old stuff everyone would complain about the new gear when it is released as a money grabbing exercise lol.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

paullt wrote:

I really hope we dont play 433 we'll get murdered. I have to say that I am very disappointed with our recruiting AGAIN. Its been poor. We ave had months of turmoil over whether terry is going bust despite lots of reassurances that all is well at the phoenix. If we were playing the normal seaon at the same time as last year our squad would be hopelessly inadequate. I really thoiught that this year we would be able to aquire players that would maybe push the likes of Bertos and Brown to get the best out of them rather than the half hearted play that we currently get. Its certainly not looking good at present and I really hope that Ricki can pull something out of the bag but im not hopeful

I totally agree. Unless things change drastically and quickly, I see this season being very similar to seasons involving the Knights with us rotting in the cellar.

I'm a bit pissed that two of my 3 favourite teams are having appalling off-seasons with finances and recruitment (Plymouth Argyle are even further up the crapper through governance miss-management

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disco_mart wrote:

Unless things change drastically and quickly, I see this season being very similar to seasons involving the Knights with us rotting in the cellar.

You have absolutely no evidence to back that up, except that a bunch of the cool kids are being negative and predicting doom and you don't like to be left out. It's still three months out to season kick-off.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

(...err 76 days to go - 2.5 months)

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Adelaide have just signed their 5th foreign player, bringing their squad up to the 21 mark.

I dont have an issue with us not at that point yet, however I would like us to have similar recruiting results.

We have three foreign spots left, and 3 senior signings definitely to come.
I wouldnt want an international keeper signed, personally think there is enough talent in NZ and Aus for that.

So unless one of our 2 other under21 spots was foreign, then we havnt got any plans to use that fifth spot.

I guess the issue is cash, but signing three new foreign players ready to step into the starting XI would take our team to the next level. If we were to go over the 20 player mark, then I would be inclined to sign a strong ball playing CB from overseas to go with the CM, and Striker.

Again, I guess money will be an issue. However it would be nice to fill up the cap with quality players.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I just checked out the Nix wallpapers...Needs more Vinnie

End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

It is possible that Terry needs the $$$ from the season tickets to come in before he can hire anyone big, so that's a way we can all help. (Certainly more realistic for praying for Terry to be struck by lightning so the White Knight Mystery Man can take over and buy us Carlos Tevez.)

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Does anyone know how many scouts we have? If we have any?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nz Seb wrote:

Does anyone know how many scouts we have? If we have any?

17playwithFire2011-07-25 20:53:48

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

we got 31 girl guides too

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yep lets just fill the whole team up with foreigners and be done with it. It seems the Phoenix is destined to become another Australian feeder team anyway. Why bother having the team in Wellington or anywhere in New Zealand at all? It's just becoming a demonstration team for Kiwi players to envy and then try their luck overseas anyway.

If there aren't a sizable proportion of team slots allocated to NZ players (I estimate about two thirds to three-quarters) then the above statement is what we will or have already become.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Nz Seb wrote:

Does anyone know how many scouts we have? If we have any?

Is that girls or boys.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

ref Milkweedman, We've been through all that. It is fine as it is... hepatitis2011-07-25 21:20:37

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milkweedman wrote:

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If there aren't a sizable proportion of team slots allocated to NZ players (I estimate about two thirds to three-quarters) then the above statementï¿½is what we will or have already become.ï¿½

Ifill, Greenacre, Daniel all part of the aussie feeder team.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

ref Milkweedman, We've been through all that. It is fine as it is...

Look, if you truely believe that then I doubt you are a New Zealander with bias and a critical football brain.

If Ricki doesn't inject more Kiwis into the squad this season as per my analysis then he has to resign.

We need a fresh New Zealand based perspective on the Phoenix with a plan on implementing and injecting many more New Zealand players into the side over something like a five year plan. Not a results based, bums on seats, win at all costs to get the cash coming in, mentality.

We need a coherent plan with research and analysis based around ramping up both the quantity and quality of KIWI based players into the Phoenix over a continuous and prolonged period of time.

Ironically, if Ricki continues to prove otherwise as I'm sure he will due to his ultra conservative mentality, then bringing in a foreign born coach without a biased opinion of New Zealand players may actually result in such a New Zealand players based plan coming to fruition.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

You have the temerity to upbraid people for writing what are completely reasonable assessments about our squad as "lacking evidence" and then you come out with stuff like this which is absolute speculation, it's just beyond parody now.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm never shy of an argument but can you guys maybe take it off to a separate thread for bitching at each other. It's getting pretty dull and is spread through every thread in the Phoenix section of the forum.

Thanks.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

milkweedman wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

ref Milkweedman,ï¿½ï¿½ We've been through all that. It is fine as it is...

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Look, if you truely believe that then I doubt you are a New Zealander with biasï¿½and a critical football brain.

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If Ricki doesn't inject more Kiwis into the squad this seasonï¿½as per my analysis then he has to resign.

We need a fresh New Zealand based perspectiveï¿½on the Phoenix with a plan on implementing and injecting many moreï¿½New Zealand players into the side over something like a five year plan.ï¿½ï¿½Not a results based, bums on seats, win at all costs to get the cash coming in,ï¿½mentality.

We need a coherent plan with research and analysis based around ramping upï¿½ both the quantity and quality of KIWI based players into the Phoenix over a continuous and prolonged period of time.

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would you rather:

Field a team of 11 mediocre kiwis, finish bottom with 15 points or field a team of mixed nationalities (most Aussie) with the best available players and win the league?

Which would rise the interest levels?

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Smithy wrote:

Glory Glory Spam United..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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milkweedman wrote:

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If there aren't a sizable proportion of team slots allocated to NZ players (I estimate about two thirds to three-quarters) then the above statementï¿½is what we will or have already become.ï¿½

Wow. Hadn't realised the knitting circle has moved down south.

Good work for the feeder club to help the AWs qualify and go on to be unbeaten in the WC.

Do you blame the Nix for taking away crowds to TW as well?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

milkweedman wrote:

hepatitis wrote:

ref Milkweedman, We've been through all that. It is fine as it is...

Look, if you truely believe that then I doubt you are a New Zealander with bias and a critical football brain.

If Ricki doesn't inject more Kiwis into the squad this season as per my analysis then he has to resign.

We need a coherent plan with research and analysis based around ramping up both the quantity and quality of KIWI based players into the Phoenix over a continuous and prolonged period of time.

Get where you're coming from BUT for a team to be able to operate they need bums on seats, people buying merch, sponsors etc. To get decent levels of that you need a certain amount of success.

Currently we have Tim Brown, Ben Sigmund, Tony Lochead, Leo Bertos, Mark Paston, 5 kiwi's. Plus Judas Rojas - a kiwi brought into the team by YF/Ricki - who chose to better himself/stab us in the back (depending on your pov). We also have an Englishman, a Barbadian, a Brazilian and 6 or 7 Aussies. Not a bad balance especially when you consider Ricki has also said he's looking at our under 20's - there will be more kiwi signings.

In an ideal wold we'd have 20 kiwi's and be a finals side every year - this isn't a perfect world and you have to accept balance of all considerations.

Would NZ Football be poorer without the Phoenix? Almost certainly.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And a Maltese (who has an Aussie twang).

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I've always said I'd like to see kiwis in the youth spots but talent wise we just don't have the resources to get more kiwis in the side.

a 5 year plan is reasonable although in the end it does stand or fall on the talent available.

You'd think that guys like Dan Keat or Craig Henderson would fit within our budget and are probably good enough to play a part in the squad. Killen is another one who you would think we'd take a good look at at the end of his contract

I think SMithy pointed out a while back that there are onl3 or 4 of the U20s with professional experience which is a bit of a worry

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To suggest the sack for Ricki though is a bit silly - bringing through kiwi players is clearly not his mandate from the club. I would certainly argue that "results based, bums on seats, win at all costs to get the cash coming in, mentality" is pretty much the mentality of all professional sports teams.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not my two EPL teams it seems.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I would rather win the league with 11 Brazilians if that is what it takes.....but the argument is just going to go around in circles. If circumstances had been different we could be fielding this team

Paston

Downey Siggy Dura Lochy

Brown Elliot

Rojas Smeltz Ifill Kosta

Thats 8 kiwis starting.....with Moss and Leo on the bench. But it did not work out that way. But I do believe the under 20 spots should be used to expose young kiwis to pro football

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Are there any genuine kiwi targets out there anyway?

I've mentioned Killen but he could well be on comparitive mega-bucks in China, Rory but he still fancies a tilt in the UK it seems, Elliot we've tried, not sure Boyens is quite up to it - beyind that it's a pretty short list of guys who have already played for us or probably arent up to A-League level.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i wonder if people would rather sign Simon Elliot, or an aussie with the exact same skill level, but ten years younger?? That would interest me.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wee Mac, Brockie, Mulligan

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not sure Brockie would play for Ricki, wee mac I suppose so but he's probably as kiwi as Daniel is!

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

The other thing, and it's the same with Keat and Boyens is that these guys still fancy chances of a future where they are. Boyens has played games this year for Chivas, why would he come here to be behind Dura and Siggy? Plus, if he's like Dunc Oughton or Elliott he's got a life in the States and probably doesn't fancy leavuing that even if he was a free agent.

Keat meanwhile and the likes of Boxall are hoping they are on a path to the Premier League like the one Nelsen took.

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