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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We're trialling some Australians for youth spots, we're also triallinmg plenty of kiwi's.

There is no guarantee of any sort that two of the youth spots will go to Australians, although one of them is impressing and may well get signed if he is better than any local options in the eyes of the coaching staff.

Hard News2011-06-23 15:37:18

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

We're trialling some Australians for youth spots, we're also triallinmg plenty of kiwi's.ï¿½

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What kiwi's. All we've heard about is Hingert and Saka

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm not sure I have ever been to a Phoenix training where there have not been at least 3 or 4 NZ players outside the signed players involved. There is a constant rotation of them.

If they announced every one each day they would have a daily release telling us who is in and out on these days. Saka and Hingert only really made the news because they were stranded in Aus due to the ash cloud.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We won't be signing former Fury defender Mark Hughes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/bury/9519481.stm

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

We're trialling some Australians for youth spots, we're also triallinmg plenty of kiwi's.

I think there is an issue here in that junior australian players get pro level coaching at a younger age at the institute of sport, so at 17,18,19 are always going to be ahead of kiwis. I just think that if the phoenix aren'ty willing to give them a shot then who is? We haven't signed many from the NZFC and we're yet to sign anyone who has played college football. If they make it in the states or europe than they're pretty much lost to us from that point onwards.

I think that the youth spots should be havily weighted in favour of kiwis, if a young aussie is signed he should be good enough to play in the first team straight away - in which case we could sign him for the main squad anyway. I know others may not agree but that's my two cents.

james dean2011-06-23 20:48:53

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

james dean wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

It's just reflective of the lack of depth we have at international level. Especially in the middle of the park.

I tend to think that if he doesn't believe that either of them can make an impact at A-League level then how on earth could they make an impact at International Level. And if he doesn't think that they can make an impact then shouldn't we be trying other guys (lack of depth notwithstanding). I know that the argument will be that there is no-one else but I'm still not sure that means continuing to pick players who he has no faith in - especially for friendlies

I understand what you're saying, but for the latest friendlies he called up Henderson, who'd been struggling with injury, and had to go home early. Keat's been borked as well. Elliott and Vicelich unavailable, and probably should not be counted on anymore considering their age. Who else is really there?

In an ideal world the likes of Clapham, Mulligan and Brown shouldn't be anywhere near international football, and like I said it's a reflection on the state of our depth that they are.

Last squad I agree he had to pick anyone with 2 legs and a pair of boots who played in the middle of the park so yes understand. Post WC though I would be building a team around a different bunch of players in those positions - for example I doo not see why Mulligan started in the match in China

Normo's coming home

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

james dean wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

It's just reflective of the lack of depth we have at international level. Especially in the middle of the park.

this

its very frustrating. we have an opportunity with the phoenix to create depth at international level.

is a mulligan or a clapham any worse than a lia or daniel. also potentially giving 2 of 3 youth spots to australias is horrendous in my eyes but hey

Have to agree wholeheartedly on that one. Also agree Ricki doesn't take enough risks with NEW ZEALAND players.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The above needs to be enshrined into law at the Phoenix.

We are a NEW ZEAND All Whites feeder team not an Australian one. Stop developing their players and start promoting ours in greater numbers. Take some risks. I'd rather see a New Zealand player flop than yet another foreigner.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

New Zeand ftw

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

milkweedman wrote:

I think that the youth spots should be havily weighted in favour of kiwis, if a young aussie is signed he should be good enough to play in the first team straight away - in which case we could sign him for the main squad anyway.ï¿½ I know others may not agree but that's my two cents.

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">The aboveï¿½ï¿½needs to be enshrined into law at the Phoenix.

I thought we were a New Zealand team. My bad (geography).

E + R + O

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milkweedman wrote:

Have to agree wholeheartedly on that one. Also agree Ricki doesn't take enough risks with NEW ZEALAND players.[/QUOTE]

This is without a doubt true but...

[quote]is a mulligan or a clapham any worse than a lia or daniel.

Yes. They don't play the same roles but Lia > Mully and Daniel > Clapham.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

milkweedman wrote:

We are a NEW ZEAND All Whites feeder team not an Australian one.

No we're not. We're an independent club tasked with competing in the A-League and improving the sport and profile of the sport in New Zealand. Finishing last with a team of 20 year old NZ players who aren't A-League standard won't develop the game in this country.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So if we "signed" a couple of these young blokes doing the bizzo in Mejico at the moment (for example) how exactly does training at Newtown 4/5 times a week and half a season of practice matches against ASB teams help them develop?... when their other options are playing regular, competitive football - in any competition whether NZ, NSWPL, VPL, US, Khazakstan, wherever.

If one of our young kids has the potential to play A-league at 16/17/18 then surely he'll learn more playing competitively and regularly.

Thats my (AUD) 7 cents.

E + R + O

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Diego Forlan is looking for a new club, any one have a spare 10 million??

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We have a Trialist from New Zealand called Adam McGeorge ... he came on in the second half against Blacktown... plays defensive mid ... seemed to be a reasonable player ... but was against a state team when we were two up...

Any of you guys know much about him... he is fairly tall and has a slim build with dark hair if that helps at all...looked quite young hard to say but around 20 could be a little younger Midfielder2011-06-24 00:03:05

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He's 22.

ex-Auckland City.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

He's 22.

ex-Auckland City.

Thanks for that any knowledge of him as a player ...

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=318838/index.html

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

We're trialling some Australians for youth spots, we're also triallinmg plenty of kiwi's.

By this, you mean Herbert?

The Papers are at pains to point out we have 14 players and ONE coach...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When will this off-season end??

Found this in a random trawl through ex-spurs players:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Ifil

Only one "l" but would be good to have two Ifil(l)s on the team.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

MOAR IFILS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerel_Ifil raynes2011-06-24 15:40:27

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Hard News wrote:

milkweedman wrote:

<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10px">We are a NEW ZEAND All Whites feeder team not an Australian one. </SPAN>

ï¿½

No we're not.ï¿½ We're an independent club tasked with competing in the A-League and improving the sport and profile of the sport in New Zealand.ï¿½ Finishing last with a team of 20 year old NZ players who aren't A-League standard won't develop the game in this country.

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Not saying we need a club of just kiwis but i think POTENTIALLY giving two spots to Australians is criminal.

Game also won't develop if they're all aussies on the park either

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

In a weird way, by not signing young kiwi players it could help their development. We cannot offer them regular football without a youth team, and they lose US college eligibility if they sign a professional contract.

At the moment, they get to train with the club, play competitive games with their clubs, and still are able to look at going to the US to study.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

raynes wrote:

MOAR IFILS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerel_Ifil

Would be epic!! Not gonna happen and probably no need to use an import spot on a centre back when we have Siggy and Dura as well though...

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Not saying we need a club of just kiwis but i think POTENTIALLY giving two spots to Australians is criminal.

Game also won't develop if they're all aussies on the park either

Not true, the Nix are developing young talent indirectly everyday just through merely existing.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Are we linked with anyone?

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

simon_hampton wrote:

Are we linked with anyone?

This.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ricki was on radio sport about 5:45 talking about all sorts of things. No names but a positive vibe.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I moved this post to the Diego Walsh in Charleston thread where it seems more appropriate.

wolfman2011-06-26 17:58:04

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Ricki was on radio sport about 5:45 talking about all sorts of things.ï¿½ No names but a positive vibe.

when he was saying he was trying to lose weight to get down a few sizes. Go Ricki!Oceanic62011-06-25 08:33:15

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

simon_hampton wrote:

Are we linked with anyone?

We are linked with the underworld and we know people and they tell us things.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

why cant we sign more than 3 under 21's?

we've got 14 players, which means 3 under 21's are needed, and ricki wants 3 senior guys as GK, ST, AM - but why not have a few more youth guys round too??

Hingert's gotta be in, but whose to say we cant still sign another three young kiwis too. I'd like to see some young guys who will still fit in the under 21 category for a few years so they get enough time to build. As such, I woulndn't mind Musa back either, on top of three new kiwis and Hingert.

If we get a solid number of young guys coming through, then we also will have potentially more money in the cap for our star signings to come.

I wouldnt mind the following youth players:
- Hingert
- Musa
- Rowe
- Lovemore
- Payne (or similar)

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

hingert, rowe and musa are all full backs so that would be silly. Hingerts versatility and experience obviously gets him a contract. Doubt Lovemore or Payne would get a spot.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yeah but NO- musa is NOT a fullback. lol

Thought Rowe had played CB too.
Also think Musa could shape up as a decent defensive midfielder. Give him a bit more freedom to much up for the corners too.

As people have said, now Musa can't get a gig at colleges, and think we've invested time is him, so why not offer him a minimum contract.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Musa is CB/LB. lol yourself. Rowe is a LB, Hingert RB/LB so having all 3 in squad would be dumb

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why can' Musa get a gig at colleges and whose to say he wont after the u20 World Cup.

Payne is a better option than Lovemore - not as quick (although still pretty paceey) he has a much better touch, can compete in the air and reads the game well.

Would be very happy with him and the U17 RB aswell.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Can't play NCAA sport after being a professional athlete so Musa is ineligible. And he is a centre back, not a fullback.aitkenmike2011-06-25 19:26:04

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Any truth to the rumour that Nix's have signed a Melbourne player from Old Hill Wanderers ... to me the guy seems a bit soft .... not hard enough for a Nixs team.. maybe just off season stirring .. he has shone out... who knows maybe just stirring after all...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/captain-of-melbourne-soccer-club-old-hill-wanderers-player-red-carded-after-refusing-to-remove-a-penis-piercing/story-e6frf423-1226080322498

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

playwithFire wrote:

Musa is CB/LB. lol yourself. Rowe is a LB, Hingert RB/LB so having all 3 in squad would be dumb

Mate go ask Musa if he is a LB and I'm pretty sure he will set you right bud.

Also most around here know thats not his position.
However I have heard he played holding mid roles quite well in the past? Although never seen him there so can't be the judge.
Wasn't sure if Rowe was a LB, if he did get released then he should be given a gig, even if Hingert signs I reckon.

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

He played CM against my team in midcentral 1, and was OK but not spectacular (but was still a 16 Y/old in a mens grade and the fulcrum of his side) but I think his best position at this stage of his career is CB.

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