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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wibblebutt wrote:

Also to be fair, it may have been his agent elevating his price tag to him just so he could get him over here and hope he signed.


I think that's undoubtedly the case. If 442 rumours are to believed, his agent was telling people that Ritgers was already signed on a 400K marquee deal. Undoubtedly Ricki, Terry and/or Nathan G said "HAHAHA no" to that one and offered him a realistic salary, in response to which he went home.

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Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Traitor wrote:

Ritger.


Rigters has never played for a club in Eastern Europe.
Think he's talking about the trial he had in Russia was it IIRC..?


That sounds about right.

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Someone on the Stuff comments page said that Ritgers asked for "25% of the salary cap". Which would be...?

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Doloras wrote:
Someone on the Stuff comments page said that Ritgers asked for "25% of the salary cap". Which would be...?

~$500-600k
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But would be marquee money, so irrelevent to salary cap

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Tegal wrote:
But would be marquee money, so irrelevent to salary cap


The point would be that we simply don't have that kind of money, salary cap or no.

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I'm not 100% certain of that. 
 
I am however pretty sure that that much money gambled on an overweight striker who's played very few games over recent years and never been particularly prolific would be a huge risk of money that is clearly tight.

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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Corkster wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
The proven path for young kiwis is to head to the USA, theres no arguing this. Ricki isnt going to just sign someone who isnt good enough just for the sake of having young kiwis in the squad, and ruining any chance of a US college scholarship in the progress.
 
Like with basketball do young footballers have to remain amateurs to get a USA college scholarship?
 
And I agree a young kiwi would be better off going to the USA than trying to slug it out in Britain.
There is obviously a way to manage that NCAA rule. We have basketballers here in NZ that play in the professional NBL and then head off to the USA on scholarships. Valerie Adam's brother will be a prime example next year.
 
AJ13 - USA isn't for everyone.  You have to want to study.  It's a bit of a 50/50 pathway because the standard of football is lower than it is in professional leagues in Europe, but at the same time you're getting an employable qualification in case football doesn't work out.
 
Napier - the NCAA rule is fairly strict.  Pro is no go.  There have been recent amendments allowing a one year grace period during which a player may train with, but not sign for or be paid by, a professional team - effectively allowing players to go on trial before deciding whether to play professionally or for a College.
 
Two things are potentially in play for the basketballers you mention.  One thing is that they may be at an NAIA affiliated College.  NAIA rules are quite different.  The other thing is that they may not be declaring their income to their school.  If that's the case it's a high risk strategy.
 
Certainly anyone who signed for the Phoenix would rule themselves out of NCAA College football.

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Smithy wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Corkster wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
The proven path for young kiwis is to head to the USA, theres no arguing this. Ricki isnt going to just sign someone who isnt good enough just for the sake of having young kiwis in the squad, and ruining any chance of a US college scholarship in the progress.
 
Like with basketball do young footballers have to remain amateurs to get a USA college scholarship?
 
And I agree a young kiwi would be better off going to the USA than trying to slug it out in Britain.
There is obviously a way to manage that NCAA rule. We have basketballers here in NZ that play in the professional NBL and then head off to the USA on scholarships. Valerie Adam's brother will be a prime example next year.
 
AJ13 - USA isn't for everyone.  You have to want to study.  It's a bit of a 50/50 pathway because the standard of football is lower than it is in professional leagues in Europe, but at the same time you're getting an employable qualification in case football doesn't work out.
 
Napier - the NCAA rule is fairly strict.  Pro is no go.  There have been recent amendments allowing a one year grace period during which a player may train with, but not sign for or be paid by, a professional team - effectively allowing players to go on trial before deciding whether to play professionally or for a College.
 
Two things are potentially in play for the basketballers you mention.  One thing is that they may be at an NAIA affiliated College.  NAIA rules are quite different.  The other thing is that they may not be declaring their income to their school.  If that's the case it's a high risk strategy.
 
Certainly anyone who signed for the Phoenix would rule themselves out of NCAA College football.
 
Hmmmm I couldn't help but think of what NCAA College Football actually is in the U.S.
 
Sign him up Ricki!
 
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Gold Coast sign Righters and flick another import striker?!

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58099
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1070949/Gold-Coast-pounces-for-Rigters

If it's true maybe the American striker would be keen on coming here ... and maybe not want that much money with his GC contract for this year paid out ;-)
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Hah. Wonder if Rigters didn't sign here because the quality of pies wasn't up to his standards.
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"Rigters, fresh from a 10-day trial with Wellington Phoenix..."

For how long has 3 days been 10?

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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el grapadura wrote:
Hah. Wonder if Rigters didn't sign here because the quality of pies wasn't up to his standards.
 
He obviously never tried Trish's large Steak and Cheese.

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C-Diddy wrote:
"Rigters, fresh from a 10-day trial with Wellington Phoenix..."

For how long has 3 days been 10?



442 credibilty  3/10
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hepatitis wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:
"Rigters, fresh from a 10-day trial with Wellington Phoenix..."

For how long has 3 days been 10?

442 credibilty� 3/10


3/10 is pushing it.

Three for me, and two for them.

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SC03 wrote:
Once an idea gets traction and goes around the block a couple of times, regardless of validity, it becomes perceived as fact.

Hence the fact that RH does not give young NZers enough of a chance is fact, even though it is complete and utter bollocks.

That said I wish he had played Kosta more.
 
And Rojas, who might've hung around had Ricki had more faith in him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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geetar wrote:
Gold Coast sign Righters and flick another import striker?!

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58099
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1070949/Gold-Coast-pounces-for-Rigters

If it's true maybe the American striker would be keen on coming here ... and maybe not want that much money with his GC contract for this year paid out ;-)
 
Rigters and Macallister up front...could've easily been our front 2 and I would've been relatively happy with that. Alas, we now have neither of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:

SC03 wrote:
Once an idea gets traction and goes around the block a couple of times, regardless of validity, it becomes perceived as fact.Hence the fact that RH does not give young NZers enough of a chance is fact, even though it is complete and utter bollocks.That said I wish he had played Kosta more.


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And Rojas, who might've hung around had Ricki had more faith in him.


We're still ignoring the fact he had an ankle injury then?

Cool,just checking.

Allegedly

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I really hope the fever gives Ritgers HEAPS if he signs for GCU

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Seriously, I think too many people are still confusing "turning down players because they don't fit our needs" with "losing everyone good because we can't afford them". If D-Mac had stayed and Lucas Pantelis was going to GCU, exactly the same people would probably be moaning.

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Steve-O wrote:
geetar wrote:
Gold Coast sign Righters and flick another import striker?!

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58099
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1070949/Gold-Coast-pounces-for-Rigters

If it's true maybe the American striker would be keen on coming here ... and maybe not want that much money with his GC contract for this year paid out ;-)
 
Rigters and Macallister up front...could've easily been our front 2 and I would've been relatively happy with that. Alas, we now have neither of them.


People said that about Smeltz and Porter.

And we ended up getting Ifill.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
And we all saw how big nose turned out

Will be annoyed if Rigters moves to GC but if his wage demands were too high what can we do, really.valeo2011-08-31 21:18:29

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Don't believe that he only demanded 200K.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
And we all saw how big nose turned out

Will be annoyed if Rigters moves to GC but if his wage demands were too high what can we do, really.


Its OK mate. GC can have him this season and go bust the next.


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2ndBest wrote:
Don't believe that he only demanded 200K.



It was the landyard, season pin AND fridge magnet that proved to be the breaking point I believe.

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Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Corkster wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
The proven path for young kiwis is to head to the USA, theres no arguing this. Ricki isnt going to just sign someone who isnt good enough just for the sake of having young kiwis in the squad, and ruining any chance of a US college scholarship in the progress.
 
Like with basketball do young footballers have to remain amateurs to get a USA college scholarship?
 
And I agree a young kiwi would be better off going to the USA than trying to slug it out in Britain.
There is obviously a way to manage that NCAA rule. We have basketballers here in NZ that play in the professional NBL and then head off to the USA on scholarships. Valerie Adam's brother will be a prime example next year.
 
AJ13 - USA isn't for everyone.  You have to want to study.  It's a bit of a 50/50 pathway because the standard of football is lower than it is in professional leagues in Europe, but at the same time you're getting an employable qualification in case football doesn't work out.
 
Napier - the NCAA rule is fairly strict.  Pro is no go.  There have been recent amendments allowing a one year grace period during which a player may train with, but not sign for or be paid by, a professional team - effectively allowing players to go on trial before deciding whether to play professionally or for a College.
 
Two things are potentially in play for the basketballers you mention.  One thing is that they may be at an NAIA affiliated College.  NAIA rules are quite different.  The other thing is that they may not be declaring their income to their school.  If that's the case it's a high risk strategy.
 
Certainly anyone who signed for the Phoenix would rule themselves out of NCAA College football.
That was my belief too Smithy but Adams is going to Pittsburg which is an NCAA school and he was definitely playing for the Wellington Saints. Maybe the NBL is looked upon as an amateur league? I'm going to do some research and see what that is all about.
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Hard News wrote:

200000GBP more likely.

 
Maybe that was the confusion. His agent rang him up and told him we were offering 200,000 but forgot to metion till after he got to NZ that it was in NZD not GBP or Euro. Ha.
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Junior82 wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Don't believe that he only demanded 200K.



It was the landyard, season pin AND fridge magnet that proved to be the breaking point I believe.


"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Smithy wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:
Corkster wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
The proven path for young kiwis is to head to the USA, theres no arguing this. Ricki isnt going to just sign someone who isnt good enough just for the sake of having young kiwis in the squad, and ruining any chance of a US college scholarship in the progress.
 
Like with basketball do young footballers have to remain amateurs to get a USA college scholarship?
 
And I agree a young kiwi would be better off going to the USA than trying to slug it out in Britain.
There is obviously a way to manage that NCAA rule. We have basketballers here in NZ that play in the professional NBL and then head off to the USA on scholarships. Valerie Adam's brother will be a prime example next year.
 
AJ13 - USA isn't for everyone.  You have to want to study.  It's a bit of a 50/50 pathway because the standard of football is lower than it is in professional leagues in Europe, but at the same time you're getting an employable qualification in case football doesn't work out.
 
Napier - the NCAA rule is fairly strict.  Pro is no go.  There have been recent amendments allowing a one year grace period during which a player may train with, but not sign for or be paid by, a professional team - effectively allowing players to go on trial before deciding whether to play professionally or for a College.
 
Two things are potentially in play for the basketballers you mention.  One thing is that they may be at an NAIA affiliated College.  NAIA rules are quite different.  The other thing is that they may not be declaring their income to their school.  If that's the case it's a high risk strategy.
 
Certainly anyone who signed for the Phoenix would rule themselves out of NCAA College football.
That was my belief too Smithy but Adams is going to Pittsburg which is an NCAA school and he was definitely playing for the Wellington Saints. Maybe the NBL is looked upon as an amateur league? I'm going to do some research and see what that is all about.
They might have relaxed or changed a rule recently. One Nelson Giants player from this season wasn't there last year because it'd ruin his chances of a scholarship.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So with the transfer deadline in the UK closing tonight, what are the chances of picking up a few stragglers over the next few weeks?

Bellamy anyone?
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ScoobyD wrote:
So with the transfer deadline in the UK closing tonight, what are the chances of picking up a few stragglers over the next few weeks?

Bellamy anyone?


UK Transfer Window News... Last few minutes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9575900.stm

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Keep coming on every hour with the expectation of seeing signing announcements on the news feed. Matter of fact, I've been doing that for the last 3 months. Come on Ricki, put us out of our misery.
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ScoobyD wrote:
So with the transfer deadline in the UK closing tonight, what are the chances of picking up a few stragglers over the next few weeks?

Certain leagues allow the registration of unattached players for a little bit longer.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Apologise if this has already been put up or if I've put it in the wrong thread... but OH DEAR.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/213450,miron-aims-to-axe-alex-for-rigters.aspx
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We are now scouting agents for Sydney...


sack Terry!patrick4782011-09-01 12:53:14

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nzmanu wrote:
Apologise if this has already been put up or if I've put it in the wrong thread... but OH DEAR.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/213450,miron-aims-to-axe-alex-for-rigters.aspx


We can open Smith with open arms

Imagine smith scoring 15 goals for us and rigther scoring none for GCU

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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