Was - Phoenix Transfer Speculation

Reid is a classy little player and if he is available we should snap him up asap. If we could get Reid as an injury replacement, coupled with Vargas and allsop on one year deals I would be happy with our overall recruitment

We're not going to get Vargas.

We're not going to get Allsop either.

DOn't want vargas and Danny can GGF if he hates us that much.  Let him play VPL.

That was the third part of the equation too!

would like to know if Ricki is looking at Reid?

Also think those kiwis playing in Aus would be ideal injury replacements, no stand down period for them I understand?

Only ideal if they're good enough.

James would be interesting.

hence why it would be an ideal situation - of course if they look worth a shot and good enough

...and haven't already burnt too many bridges.

Or Kayne Vincent. Was in the VPL for a few games and scored plenty, and is now back in India but wants to go to a 'bigger' league.

Its a bit worrying that Allsopp doesn't appear to be wanting to come here. Looking around the A-League, the only other strikers I think could be available would be McBreen and maybe Sterjovski. We need a striker, but I wouldn't be too keen on either of them.

Love for spicy food? More money? warm/Tropical weather? probably marquee status?? These were just a few for starters..

The real reason is someone in India will pay him to play football, no one here will.

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I honestly don't see any kiwi from out side of the AWs last few squads (world cup to now) getting signed by us. We've got the youth spots filled, and unless it was someone like Killen or Nelsen they prob aren't up to it. Thats not me being a prick or selling the kiwi boys short thats me being a realist. Elliot, Christie & Mully have all been and gone and most of the others are already tied up in more desirable leagues.

The NZers in the aussie state leagues havent exactly dominated according to the informed sources here, so why would RH sign a Kiwi over an Aussie who is better?

Kayne Vincent - this has to be a pisstake surely. Didn't do much at NZFC level, hasn't played in any age group teams? India? He may as well play in Botswanna for all its worth if the criteria is 'he plays overseas so he must be good'I'm expecting some numpty to throw out Jason Hayne at some point and make it totally farsical Jeff Vader2011-10-19 10:46:23

I think we should sign Jason Hayne.

what abt Cameron Knowles?

No.  But Griffiths and Tsatallios are U20 and James isn't.

Hes playing for Cockburn City in the WAPL...

Bugger saw that news item on the home page that says "Top striker brings firepower" and thought we had signed some top quality Euro veteran gun striker.... and then I read the description....

We should be developing kiwis because believe it or not, we are actually in New Zealand and there are kiwis in the ASB Premiership and in the U20 and U17 New Zealand teams that can step up here if given an opportunity to be developed and gradually exposed to A league level.

^ discussed in oh so many places - we are first a furmopst a wellington based franchise team, targetted with winning the a-league, we are NOT an all whites or NZ football development team. Sure if the youth talent is there and good enough pick them, but until we have proper youth team in the a-lague I do not want to see a 17yr old kiwi picked ahead of a guy like Ward (for example)

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Has anyone heard any rumours regarding Reid? Or does Ward being unsuspended fix our DM/RB problems for Ricki?

Also one of the early new owner transition articles on stuff mentioned that they (new owners) were considering an offer from Westpac stadium to move their training ground there... Does anyone know any more on that front. Better training facilities have been cited by departing players in the past, Rojas mentioned it, Kosta too I think.

I would expect that now the Phoenix are chums with the Wellington City Council then they will help us out by upgrading Newtown Park to a state of the art training facility.

No chance. Hadn't heard/read that either but think I read them saying they wanted to move the whole set up to Newtown - the offices have already moved there. I suspect that means they just want to have a closed base there with everything within close proximity so the club actually has one location. I would assume there would be upgrades made to the current facilities too.

mjp22011-10-20 21:07:45

I'm playing Devil's adovate here, but do we really think we'll make money out of it?

There are no fees between A-League sides, no rules forcing people taking players at the end of contract to pay developement fees and the best of our youth eye Europe or the states ahead of us.

It's not like Aus where the FFA fund it, it's not like the Warriors where the NRL fund it so we're asking the guys paying for the club in what to now appears to be a minimalist fashion to find another million a year for a model that hasn't been proven to work.

I want a side full of kiwi's as much or more than those that turn up once a week to post how there are plenty of A-League quality players in New Zealand (milkweedman) but can't name any, however it needs to be considered if it is viable.

Given our track record with giving youth a chance you can hardly blame any yougsters for being wary of joining the Nix when the USA route seems to be more successful for developing NZ players.

There are a lot of if's and but's around this whole youth development plan (if there is a plan!) but if the new owners get the club on an even keel and start to get a youth / development / reserve stratgey in place then maybe there is a chance of us developing our own NZ young players properly.

IMHO we need to get the reserve team up and running to get our fringe players and returning from injury players much needed match time and use it as a base to develop us some homegrown youngsters.

I Agree with JD on this, we send heaps of kids over to american colleges, yet how many are going to the big colleges and making it anywhere near the MLS draft?