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we need a goalscorer

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we all want professional football to be sustainable in New Zealand. at the moment it is only sustainable for the next 5 years as that is how long the wellnix group have agreed to pay for it for, and when the latest licence expires. The phoenix have to become more financially viable and all the noises the wellnix group have been making are absolutely correct. there is no point them spending big bucks for the next 5 years and then having a change of heart and no one picking up the pieces. Phoenix have to become a good business proposition, and that means slow building of an academy.
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I fully support the long term strategic goal and am grateful for the committment for the next 5 years. This year is recovery mode post Terry era.
The Catch 22 is how to maintain the fan base and revenue through crowd attendance so that having a football team actually means something and isnt just GC in disguise. 5000 fans at say $25 each doesnt generate a lot of money..certainly not as much as the financial input from Welnix.  It maybe keeps things ticking along and might fund the much needed striker but as noted elsewhere the 5 year plan is what everyone has to work towards.  Ibini is a product of talent identified and nurtured..we have had it as well in Rojas and Kosta.  Sadly they both left but that is the way of professional footbal and long term that benefits the AWs.
 
I think we need to look at the Brisbane model..why does that work so much better?  Welnix may be able to take care of the money..tick..but what are the other components that create a good winning team that we can emulate.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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If it offends you that much, you're welcome to stop butting into arguments and making comments about the faculties of other posters.   It doesn't really bother me.
 
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"it doesnt really bother me"  It doesnt sound like it...much
 
And as for butting into arguments....well   pot and kettile come to mind.  I dont believe the dispute between JD and Doloras involved you whatsoever, however clearly one of us has to be an adult about this and im happy for it to be me.....no more posts on this (for me anyway)

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I wasn't expecting a massive crowd last night but only getting 5,000 was still a shock.

Looking at the match thread it's also clear that a lot more people are now getting worried about where this is going.

The Welnix long-term strategy is a good one, but what about the short term? Dropping 1,000 - 2,000 off your average crowd over the course of a season will have a serious impact on revenue, as well as doing further damage to an already tarnished brand.

Surely there is a strong business case for doing something about it this season? And if a striker isn't the answer what is?

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terminator_x wrote:
if a striker isn't the answer what is?



New Zealand's own Harry Kewell, Mr Ryan Nelsen.

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patrick478 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
if a striker isn't the answer what is?



New Zealand's own Harry Kewell, Mr Ryan Nelsen.


I don't think Ryan was that sh!t.

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Junior82 wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
if a striker isn't the answer what is?



New Zealand's own Harry Kewell, Mr Ryan Nelsen.


I don't think Ryan was that sh!t.



True, I didn't mean to insult Ryan that way.

I meant it in terms of crowds alone.

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Becks!

And Harper Seven etc etc

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Junior82 wrote:
Becks!

And Harper Seven etc etc


I support this move! Export 33 isn't the greatest beer in the world but it does accurately represent some views about the state of the football club that we love on this forum* (local product is the way forward etc)

As for Harper Seven. Haven't had that before. Is is a good drop?

* Disclaimer - These are not accurate representations of my views!


C-Diddy2011-11-05 12:02:14

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Personally Blake's Seven >> Harper Seven

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OK, will if beer isn't the answer (although it usually is), maybe there is some merit in getting a big name in to pull in the crowds and have the team absorb some of his oarsumness.

Clearly the model to follow is an ex-Perennial Strugglers Liverpool player.

Ray Clemence? That would free up Warner to play his natural striker's position.

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Junior82 wrote:
OK, will if beer isn't the answer (although it usually is), maybe there is some merit in getting a big name in to pull in the crowds and have the team absorb some of his oarsumness.

Clearly the model to follow is an ex-Perennial Strugglers Liverpool player.

Ray Clemence? That would free up Warner to play his natural striker's position.


I'm liking the sound of this...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Junior82 wrote:
OK, will if beer isn't the answer (although it usually is)...


Maybe this beer is the answer...

Samuel Jackson



C-Diddy2011-11-05 12:53:49

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Unfortunately not only the goal scorer...

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Well if we concede that there's no unattached gun striker ready to ride his white stallion into wellington and save the day then its a question of how to get goals from our current squad. Once Ifil's back we will have him, Greenacre, Brown, and maybe Sanchez and Smith (who I include because according to wikipedia he's got a decent goal scoring record) as our potential goalscorers. The way I see it we lack the size to play the sort of high crosses into the box we have seen this season. We lack the skill to play a slick short passing game. We lack the pace to play a quick counterattack.

I'm not really sure what the answer is, but maybe we need to look more at low driven crosses and balls cut back to our midfielders at the top of the penalty box. Greenacre can draw the defence away from the that sort of area while Ifil and Daniel/Bertos/Ward try to pull the ball back for Sanchez and Brown to run on to. Thoughts?

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...and I apologise if this has already been discussed - I didn't read through all the previous pages before posting

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Aside from my sparkling wit, you didn't really miss anything from the last few pages.

But I assure you, Ricki is reading this thread for tactical and scouting insights.
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Stripes wrote:

Aside from my sparkling wit, you didn't really miss anything from the last few pages.

But I assure you, Ricki is reading this thread for tactical and scouting insights.


Phew! And here I was worried that all that knowledge gleaned from years of playing FM was going to go to waste

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Maybe part of the solution could be to give Greenie more of the type of ball he scored from.Instead of just lumping it forward for him to try and knock on for no one coming through again.

Into his 3rd season and still they cant deliver it to him where he can be most affective.

Shame some of the others and younger ones dont put the effort in EVERY game that he does.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Yeah maybe we need to give the rest of the playing staff coaching contracts to spur them on too?
that goal was interesting because it was nothing like the way we had been playing the rest of the game and it caught ccm napping. the through balls have got potential against teams playing the offside trap like ccm were attempting on that instance but if the opposition are sitting deeper it might not work so well. With the exception of the last game I thought I wing play has been excellent this season up until the point where we try to cross and then it all just falls down. That's why I was thinking of the driven cross or the ball cut back would be a way to utilise that wide attacking play instead of crossing high into the box for our ghost target man. Its like no one told our wingers we didn't actually sign Chris Killen

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Actually, they're crossing for the windmill.

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What about Mile Sterjovski? He's out of favour at Perth at the mo, and theyre anothe team with an abundance of attacking players.. could he perhaps be lured away with the promise of gametime.

Given the nix ability to generally turn sh*t player into good.. could this be an option?

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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BarryZuckerkorn wrote:
We lack the skill to play a slick short passing game. 

I don't know about this, there were a couple of moments on Friday and plenty more in the preceeding games where the midfield were passing very well. I don't think its a lack of skill, more a lack of confidence.
djtim30002011-11-07 09:51:03
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bump warner to gk coach, sign imray for the season as cover, and sign mystery not wanted free agent top European striker who will play for not a lot and bang in 20 a season.

come on ricki its easy!WellingtonPFC2011-11-07 09:59:32
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I guess this is a huge 'I told you so' from Ricki to Welnix, especially after they pulled the contract offers from the three European strikers.

I hear there is a young, up and coming playmaker in Melbourne, who has been dropped to the bench and isn't getting game time anymore, sign him up Ricki?

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Hard News wrote:

I suspect Warner might have something to say about that.



yeah no sh*t. its an interesting one, as if Paston wasnt injury prone we could rely on him and have a domestic bench warmer (a bit like crowther, great untill he plays). We have been lucky getting quality keepers in the past who have been australian (reddy and Vukovic) who are level or better than paston, but if we get a bench warmer to free up a international spot and paston gets injured then we're all alone with a crowther play-a-like. if only paston wasnt made of glass. Therefore we have to spend an international spot on goal keeper, and warner is a good one, just a shame as we need help outfield.WellingtonPFC2011-11-07 10:53:52
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Imray and Bsalaj both >>>>>>>>>>>>> Crowther though.
 
Jury still out for me on Warner being a good one though.

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yeah know what you mean, the back 4 dont seem settled with him which is either a teething issue or tells its own story. he as tons of experience though, and played at a high level, but again its frustrating as paston is good enough, but you cant rely on him playing the whole season.
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A couple of interesting points that came out of that article. Firstly Welnix said Rickie had not approached them about any new signings, secondly Rickie has been quoted as saying they will just box on with what they have got now and thirdly the apparent openness of Welnix to look at short term solutions. Does not sound like Welnix have been too obstructive as some have suggested.
 
Is the pressure getting to Rickie? Sometimes I wonder if he has got too much on his plate. He is head coach of the Nix without a proper assistant(Greenacre has the load of a fulltime player and our only striker) . He is really the only true "football guy" at the Nix, the current CEO is competent but he is no Tony P. Rickie has the All Whites to think about and their upcoming games. He also now looks like having a big imput into selection in the Olympic squad and will now coach the team if/when it makes the games. In addition he must have carried a lot of the stress of the Seripisos/Nix financial debacle.
 
None of the other A-League coaches have all of this crap to put up with. In the past I have been cool about Rickie doing other stuff.....but now I think its too much. I am not bagging the guy but IMO he is trying to do too much.  I want the guy selecting the players and coaching the Nix to focus 100% on the Phoenix.
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I feel a bit happier simply seeing an acknowledgement from the Welnix guys that there are some short term issues that aren't going to be solved by long-term planning for a youth academy (as worthy an aim as that is).

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Hard News wrote:

I suspect Warner might have something to say about that.



He might do, but i doubt anyone will understand him

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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agreed, I'm pleased they are talking to Ricki about the issue and hopefully they manage to find a player or two that fits into the team well.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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ballane wrote:
Maybe part of the solution could be to give Greenie more of the type of ball he scored from.Instead of just lumping it forward for him to try and knock on for no one coming through again.

Into his 3rd season and still they cant deliver it to him where he can be most affective.
I don't think he's got sufficient pace to be consistently knocking the ball in behind for him to run onto.  It's that lack of pace across the front three that allows teams to defend high against us, compressing the midfield.  The goal on Friday came because one of their players wasn't in line, keeping him onside.  It was good vision and execution from Sanchez, but a one off, not something to build your game plan around.
 
Decent pace up front would create the threat of the ball in behind and force teams to defend deeper, providing more space for Sanchez and the wide players to receive and play forward.  As it is Sanchez is not good enough to work magic in cramped conditions and Daniel, and in particular Leo, can't be depended on to beat their man conclusively enough for a low whipped cross or a pull back to be on.
Stevel2011-11-07 12:35:02
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Still think that signing Warner was a big mistake - hes looked shaky with clearances and I think he could've done better with one of CCM's goals. Certainly doesn't look worth an import spot.

a.haak

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Is there still a possibility that we will sign Killen?

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terminator_x wrote:
I feel a bit happier simply seeing an acknowledgement from the Welnix guys that there are some short term issues that aren't going to be solved by long-term planning for a youth academy (as worthy an aim as that is).
 
Except it was Jinghiz Morgan with his hidden right wing agenda.
 
*roger irrelevent emoticon*
 
Wibble, wibble, frsnit.
 

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