We need to talk about David

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about 1 month ago
gill when asked essentially said the club would have had to sack him had he not resigned. I believe him, I believe Domey would have sacked him
observerfromuh
In all this I am more Dome out than ever, where has been since Saturday night. 

Also telling that if Chiefy hadn't resigned the club would have done nothing.
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about 1 month ago
imanixsupporter
gill when asked essentially said the club would have had to sack him had he not resigned. I believe him, I believe Domey would have sacked him
observerfromuh
In all this I am more Dome out than ever, where has been since Saturday night. 

Also telling that if Chiefy hadn't resigned the club would have done nothing.

Now now, let's not have words straight from the club get in the way of a negative agenda...
Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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observerfromuh
In all this I am more Dome out than ever, where has been since Saturday night. 

Also telling that if Chiefy hadn't resigned the club would have done nothing.

As I’ve already said. This was not the case. It was a resign or be fired situation.

Edit: as others have said now too 👍
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about 1 month ago
On the Football Fever pod Piney had a 1 on 1 with Gill and he asked him directly if the club would've sacked him if Chiefy hadn't resigned, Gill's one word response was "Yes".

Also Shaun Gill also mentioned that he believes Greenacre deserves the chance to take the coaching role full time. His exact words were - "Personally I think Greenie's earned the right for a crack at the role" - So at least in his mind he seems to think that if Greenacre wants the job fulltime then he wants him to have it.
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about 1 month ago
imanixsupporter
Domey is on the football commitee with Gill and is involved in all big footballing decisions. He isnt blameless when it comes to how much of a shambles the men's team has been, you cant just point the finger at Gill. 

Gill’s interview clarified a lot for me although it did leave some questions unanswered.

First off I think he did a decent job of fronting up and giving straight answers to the questions that were put to him, and after him talking through the previous 36-48 hours I can see why the club waited until Monday to give an update.

To my mind he’s explained his role in things pretty well, particularly the way he’s taken control until Greenie comes in and the fact that he’s reporting directly to the owners. I know some will say “where’s Dome then, isn’t he ultimately responsible?”, but my take is that he’s busy doing damage control with sponsors and other GM stuff while trusting Gill to do the DoF’s job.

The role of the Football Committee in all this is still an unknown (hopefully the FRG will get a chance to ask about that), but maybe that’s not surprising - a committee is good for doing things like due diligence on player signings, it’s not how you want to run day-to-day operations.
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coochieeLT01WhoStoleMySock
about 1 month ago
So does anybody really think there will be changes at this club? We have a losers culture. This club reeks of it. It sucks the confidence out of our players
A year ago Gill told us we had short memories. We were told that that the previous season was unexceptable. That there would be complete reviews of proceedures blah blah blah. Then they reappointed the same coach despite widespread objections.
And here we are now, near bottom of the table, low crowd numbers, thrashed in the derby, falling fan engagement and the coach sacked/resigned. 
Everything that they were warned about has come to pass.
How can the director of football keep there job? If you add in things like the botched application for the Oceania pro league its been a disasterous year for the Nix managenent. 
There has to be some accountability.
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LGMartonumber8ru+3
about 1 month ago
Gill needs to be asked some questions as to whether or not he is meeting the clubs metrics.

We need stability at the club. Greenacre is a fill in or a cheap replacement and she'll be right? I like Chris but I wonder if he has not been taken advantage of yet again. If they are going to give him the gig permanently so to speak, give him the ability to sign whom he thinks will work and remove those whom won't. If we are going to clean house, clean it properly or stick with what we have. To be honest I'll be a bit pissed if by some miracle, the players suddenly find form all at once. That would tell me that they have been giving half arsed efforts for the fans to have to put up with. I believe Chris had a meeting with them on Sunday. I hope they took on board what he said.
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about 1 month ago
I posted the below (italics) two months ago. 

Only thing I was wrong about was the women's team, as they have had their surge. Which is great to see but I feel might save a few of the heads that I think need to roll. (and we could potentially still make the finals on the men's but need to have our new manager bounce quickly).

Since then we've lost our 6th derby in perhaps our most embarassing ever defeat, crowd sizes hasn't recovered, and Chiefy's finally gone. (Which by the way, we got told we had short memories for complaining about re-signing Chiefy, and the 'Chiefy Out' banner was photoshopped for 'Chiefy In' too in the announcement of this, that example plus the recent complaints around a lack of fan engagement shows where their priorities are). 

I'm sorry but the club has to have a massive shake-up. The club is at the lowest point in history and something needs to change. In the past 24 months or so the club has: 
- Reappointed Chiefy after an awful season where the whole of his backroom staff and all but 2 players from the semi-final squad jumped ship. All will have different reasons but when there's smoke there's fire. 
- Lost in a competitive off-the-pitch process to an amateur club to get into the OFCPL which would have finally given us the opportunity to make it to the FIFA CWC. 
- Achieved record low crowds. 
- Gone 0-5 in NZ derbys. 
- Despite extra investment this season in the women's team they're outside even the playoff spots (still a bit of the season to go, sure) 
- Another year of no finals football - I don't see us better than 6 other teams in the ALM even when injuries return. 

Yes, there's lots of excuses/reasons to defend these, but these just enable the status quo, which seems to be a downward spiral. We need change before this becomes a genuine existential crisis for the club. It genuinely feels like a humiliation ritual watching this club right now. 

I don't have much to say about the owners, they're throwing money at the club for no ROI, but yes we probably need more investors however this seems unlikely. But the powers that be (Domey, Gilly) have gotten complacent being the big fish in the small pond after their many years at the club, and have been caught with their pants down when Auckland FC have come in and done pretty much everything right. Yes - AFC have a lot more money than us, but are we making the most out of the resources we do have? Is that just another excuse enabling the status quo downwards spiral? 

Go to your local Wellington club and ask about what they think about the Phoenix, even 10ish years after the Nix have been integrated into the NZ pathway there's still some pretty broken relationships between the Nix and local clubs. Like I said, they're used to being the big fish in the small pond and throw their weight around. AFC came in and collaborated with clubs and tried their best not to step on toes and generally have support from all local clubs in their area. I don't think you need to be a billionaire to be able to relationship manage. 

Our Director of Football, to my understanding doesn't have any technical experience. He was an internal 'promotion' from an administrator (Ops Manager) to a technical position (DOF). I've said this before but compare this to the JAFAs, their director of football was a former player, coach and player agent, and has his masters in Coach Education and a UEFA A Licence. Yes, this one can be a money issue, but in the past we've afforded to through 200k+ a year for individual players that come and go, why not invest in getting the foundations of the club right too? 

I say all this because I genuinely love this club, but I'm genuinely worried about where it's headed. I've lost faith in the leadership of the club. They've given a lot to a club, but we need to start fresh. Especially if neither team make the play-offs, Chiefy needs to go, Gilly needs to go, Domey needs to go. 
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In Domes podcast interview at the end of last season, he said that Chief probably had too much freedom to do what he wanted that season.

Moving forward he basically said the leash was going to be a lot shorter which implied that there would be greater input from those above him regarding decisions- I would assume that would be Gill and the football committee.

So some others obviously need to take more responsibility this year then last regarding on field performance 

Auckland will rise once more

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about 1 month ago
Buffon II
Bullion
number8
The problem I have with Dome was the constant whining about crowd sizes and not being not behind the team. All the emotional blackmailing the actual fans not the casual which probably never read GM interviews.
And the delivering two years of the worst football with crowd sizes halfed. This should have been the easiest two years to sell and create buzz with the games against Auckland. Who ever makes the final decision at the club or gave advise should go. They had the time to turn things around a year ago and missed it.
I doubt it good for the business, ticket sales, kits, sponsors this is all a hard sell. Nobody is buying those things because they have a school.
do people care about goals, style, or wins more? I don't think its goals because before this weekend we had scored the 2nd most goals in the league, and then on style we tried to play a similar way after finishing 2nd but had a bad season (various reasons from squad changes and absences) and people complained about style that season but less so the season before. So is it style or is it just winning?


It's about winning. Style comes second.

There has been a tonne of criticism about Arsenal's "style" and how they win matches this season. I promise you not a single Arsenal fan will give a fudge if it leads to a league title.
No-one will argue very hard that Auckland FC play a pleasant-to-watch brand of football, but you'd better believe the fans don't care as long as the 5-0 wins keep rolling in

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about 1 month ago
Since2007
I posted the below (italics) two months ago. 

Only thing I was wrong about was the women's team, as they have had their surge. Which is great to see but I feel might save a few of the heads that I think need to roll. (and we could potentially still make the finals on the men's but need to have our new manager bounce quickly).

Since then we've lost our 6th derby in perhaps our most embarassing ever defeat, crowd sizes hasn't recovered, and Chiefy's finally gone. (Which by the way, we got told we had short memories for complaining about re-signing Chiefy, and the 'Chiefy Out' banner was photoshopped for 'Chiefy In' too in the announcement of this, that example plus the recent complaints around a lack of fan engagement shows where their priorities are). 

I'm sorry but the club has to have a massive shake-up. The club is at the lowest point in history and something needs to change. In the past 24 months or so the club has: 
- Reappointed Chiefy after an awful season where the whole of his backroom staff and all but 2 players from the semi-final squad jumped ship. All will have different reasons but when there's smoke there's fire. 
- Lost in a competitive off-the-pitch process to an amateur club to get into the OFCPL which would have finally given us the opportunity to make it to the FIFA CWC. 
- Achieved record low crowds. 
- Gone 0-5 in NZ derbys. 
- Despite extra investment this season in the women's team they're outside even the playoff spots (still a bit of the season to go, sure) 
- Another year of no finals football - I don't see us better than 6 other teams in the ALM even when injuries return. 

Yes, there's lots of excuses/reasons to defend these, but these just enable the status quo, which seems to be a downward spiral. We need change before this becomes a genuine existential crisis for the club. It genuinely feels like a humiliation ritual watching this club right now. 

I don't have much to say about the owners, they're throwing money at the club for no ROI, but yes we probably need more investors however this seems unlikely. But the powers that be (Domey, Gilly) have gotten complacent being the big fish in the small pond after their many years at the club, and have been caught with their pants down when Auckland FC have come in and done pretty much everything right. Yes - AFC have a lot more money than us, but are we making the most out of the resources we do have? Is that just another excuse enabling the status quo downwards spiral? 

Go to your local Wellington club and ask about what they think about the Phoenix, even 10ish years after the Nix have been integrated into the NZ pathway there's still some pretty broken relationships between the Nix and local clubs. Like I said, they're used to being the big fish in the small pond and throw their weight around. AFC came in and collaborated with clubs and tried their best not to step on toes and generally have support from all local clubs in their area. I don't think you need to be a billionaire to be able to relationship manage. 

Our Director of Football, to my understanding doesn't have any technical experience. He was an internal 'promotion' from an administrator (Ops Manager) to a technical position (DOF). I've said this before but compare this to the JAFAs, their director of football was a former player, coach and player agent, and has his masters in Coach Education and a UEFA A Licence. Yes, this one can be a money issue, but in the past we've afforded to through 200k+ a year for individual players that come and go, why not invest in getting the foundations of the club right too? 

I say all this because I genuinely love this club, but I'm genuinely worried about where it's headed. I've lost faith in the leadership of the club. They've given a lot to a club, but we need to start fresh. Especially if neither team make the play-offs, Chiefy needs to go, Gilly needs to go, Domey needs to go. 

Don’t agree with everything you have penned in here, but it is a well written piece and I do wonder if the club need a new head coach coming in from outside the club to shake things up.

Madness as they say is doing same same and expecting different results.

Anyway let’s how Greeny goes as interim 
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about 1 month ago
So why not give Greenacre the job right away? What does he need to prove? They know him since years, is he ready to step up or not? Does he really need to do another 'internship'?
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about 1 month ago
number8
So why not give Greenacre the job right away? What does he need to prove? They know him since years, is he ready to step up or not? Does he really need to do another 'internship'?

Yep fair call.
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about 1 month ago
Greeenie doesn't get the job right away as the club hasn't had time to assess all available options. It just makes sense to wait until the off season to test the market and see who else is out there. 
As many have pointed out, Greenacre's only experience is at age group level, both at the club and international level. He'd be a risk.

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BulliondunnixLGLT01+5
about 1 month ago
Agreed, assess all options before rushing into a decision. 

I think if Greenie gets the team into the Top 6 he'd be more than deserving of the full time gig. All the players we sold for decent transfer fees were coached by Greenie so can't forget that either. How he adapts to senior football will be a decider, and what other options free up at the end of the season will also be factors. 

On another note, I will say the club are doing a bit better in fronting the media after a crisis as compared to them going into hiding for a wee bit at the back end of last season. Good to see a Gilly press conference and interview and of course, Chiefy's final press conference too. I think something from Morrison/Domey wouldn't go amiss either. 
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number8
So why not give Greenacre the job right away? What does he need to prove? They know him since years, is he ready to step up or not? Does he really need to do another 'internship'?

Maybe it is not Greenie that needs to "prove" something. He has the badges. Maybe he sees his current job as "doable" but has reservations about what the first team coach of the Nix can do or cannot do to succeed.

Also, why assume that Greenie sees himself as a first team ALM coach?  He may be very happy to help with the rest of the season run, but may actually prefer to work long term with younger players where he can refine their skills and while they are still "trainable".
Sure, we all like ambition and self-belief, but his ambition may be related to younger player development, not to guiding the first team, what with the stress and limitations it entails.  


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I think the "does Greenacre want the job permanently?" is a key component here. Sure he applied for it when Italiano won the day, but he's clearly settled here and seems happy enough in the NZ age group scene, along with the academy. Does he really want to risk all that just to be an Aleague manager?

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about 1 month ago · edited about 1 month ago · History
He’s also still got his wife working in the back office who must now be part of the furniture.

If he took the full time gig and it all goes pear shape, then family 
life all gets a little more complicated 

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about 1 month ago
I had forgotten his wife was still within the Nix back office.

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about 1 month ago
theprof
I think the "does Greenacre want the job permanently?" is a key component here. Sure he applied for it when Italiano won the day, but he's clearly settled here and seems happy enough in the NZ age group scene, along with the academy. Does he really want to risk all that just to be an Aleague manager?

My point precisely


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If you listened to Gill's various interviews yesterday, youd know that Greenie is keen to do the job and the club dont need convincing of his readiness to do the job. Its a fait accompli, unless he does an incredibly bad job during the rest of this season, he will be our coach next season 
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about 1 month ago
yeah I heard what Gill said differently, I took it to mean that Greenie was all on board for the interim job immediately after Italiano's presser and resignation.
Eitherway, it seems Greenie is always the professional club man, willing to step in where needed and do the job!

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about 1 month ago
theprof
yeah I heard what Gill said differently, I took it to mean that Greenie was all on board for the interim job immediately after Italiano's presser and resignation.
Eitherway, it seems Greenie is always the professional club man, willing to step in where needed and do the job!
 100% the interview Gill did with Jason Pine sounded like the job next season was his if he didn't shark the bed in the remainder of this season

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theprof
yeah I heard what Gill said differently, I took it to mean that Greenie was all on board for the interim job immediately after Italiano's presser and resignation.
Eitherway, it seems Greenie is always the professional club man, willing to step in where needed and do the job!
 100% the interview Gill did with Jason Pine sounded like the job next season was his if he didn't shark the bed in the remainder of this season
I think that Gill has shark the bed and it's time for him to be moved on. 
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