We need to talk about David

martinb wrote:

 nufc_nz wrote:

 martinb wrote:
So all you three experts had the Jets before the season started? Yeh, fkn right. 

And you had us missing the title by a cat’s whisker and having 9 weeks at number one in Chief’s first season? 
More like you were bitching about signings and internal promotions. 


 

NUFC:
The nix haven’t finished top of the table, won a trophy or even been in a grand final. 

By a c*%#> hair they missed finishing top bud. They weren’t doing nothing. It was our best ever season just two ago. That’s the path, just a little more.

I do enjoy the analysis of ‘No title BAAAD!’ but it seems unlikely that we’re going to find Klopp, Ireola or Ancelloti’s partner  working in our academy the way we attracted Bev. 

Your main points are: the Nix haven’t won, so they must be sh*>$. 
This logic is now contorted in: Greenie was an academy coach when we didn’t win the title, so he can’t win. 

The last coaching revelation was Milligan. I wanna hear from this brains trust who the next one will be. 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Jets have won the league multiple times already?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  “In 18 years we came so close that one time”….

Auckland have done it all in their first 2 years. Made NZ history. 

Yeh the first time was when Dura played for them 20 years ago. Before he joined us.

Nothing for twenty years. 

And yes, I’m not a miserable git, I’m going to celebrate my team’s best performance ever, even if they didn’t win. And hope it’s a sign we can do better. Sure you refused to celebrate the Carabao Cup because it wasn’t the league for your Geordie muppets. Then you’ll refuse to celebrate the PL if you win because it isn’t the Champions League.

Yes, f-face, this Auckland team is exceptional. 

I’d probably spend all day thinking about that. I bet Beckham spends all day crying and wailing cos he ain’t Messi. 

If you applied your bs to Newcastle you’d have been supporting Manchester Red long ago.

nufc_nz wrote:

 martinb wrote:

 nufc_nz wrote:

 martinb wrote:
So all you three experts had the Jets before the season started? Yeh, fkn right. 

And you had us missing the title by a cat’s whisker and having 9 weeks at number one in Chief’s first season? 
More like you were bitching about signings and internal promotions. 


 

NUFC:
The nix haven’t finished top of the table, won a trophy or even been in a grand final. 

By a c*%#> hair they missed finishing top bud. They weren’t doing nothing. It was our best ever season just two ago. That’s the path, just a little more.

I do enjoy the analysis of ‘No title BAAAD!’ but it seems unlikely that we’re going to find Klopp, Ireola or Ancelloti’s partner  working in our academy the way we attracted Bev. 

Your main points are: the Nix haven’t won, so they must be sh*>$. 
This logic is now contorted in: Greenie was an academy coach when we didn’t win the title, so he can’t win. 

The last coaching revelation was Milligan. I wanna hear from this brains trust who the next one will be. 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Jets have won the league multiple times already?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  “In 18 years we came so close that one time”….

Auckland have done it all in their first 2 years. Made NZ history. 

Yeh the first time was when Dura played for them 20 years ago. Before he joined us.

Nothing for twenty years. 

And yes, I’m not a miserable git, I’m going to celebrate my team’s best performance ever, even if they didn’t win. And hope it’s a sign we can do better. Sure you refused to celebrate the Carabao Cup because it wasn’t the league for your Geordie muppets. Then you’ll refuse to celebrate the PL if you win because it isn’t the Champions League.

Yes, f-face, this Auckland team is exceptional. 

I’d probably spend all day thinking about that. I bet Beckham spends all day crying and wailing cos he ain’t Messi. 

If you applied your bs to Newcastle you’d have been supporting Manchester Red long ago.



 

You’re arguing against yourself at this point. Maybe put the drink down, fella.

Of course I celebrated the cup win. Why wouldn’t I? 

Of course I won’t change what team I support, not sure what you’re on about. I just want my teams to win.

Mainland FC wrote:
Clubs with bigger resources effectively can buy a better chance of being in the finals playoffs more often, potentially year in, year out.  That is why we see Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC in the top six more often than CCM or the Jets.  Someone more up to date with the stats than me could do a correlation table of different clubs' financial acumen (if such data exists unless you use a proxy marker of some kind) versus table position at the end of the season, for the past I do not know maybe 6-10 years unless their financial position changed drastically like Western United. It would be interesting to see if there are clubs that despite their lower acumen consistently punch above their weight. How they do that could give us some food for thought instead of descending into a bunfight.

 

AucklandPhoenix wrote:
On a couple of points about Dome I would beg to differ but basically I agree completely with you.

One of the major issues is that the nix have their fingers in too many pies. 

Therefore some of those pies haven’t been cooked properly, some are missing key ingredients and some have exceeded their expiry date. 

The pie company to compound matters have branched off into loosely related side business (sausage rolls, quiches, donuts etc) but are not really good at any of them.

One or two on their product range will actually give you food poisoning.

Now, Dome rightly or wrongly is the key baker for this pie company and the front man. When he fucks up a pie these days he try’s to justify it and not fix the problem.

In the old days he had a monopoly and only baked a couple of pies. He would never burn them and they would be delicious. A few customers still remember those pies and stand by the baker. Their loyalty whilst admirable may result in severe food poisoning and the loss of the bakery’s food hygiene rating.

A pie company up the road has came along and immediately got their recipe correct, temperature settings are perfect for their brand, the oven is nice and clean and they know not to complicate things too much. Pies are what they do.

The public love these pies and will travel a long way to get them. Being proactive they are even being delivered. They are getting great exposure in the media. Ovens are being cleaned daily.

The  baker in Wellington has thought fuck my monopoly is over but rather then adjusting he goes on the counterattack (criticising their new ovens, recipes and even posts the odd bad review on social media). 

He is so busy burning his sausage rolls in his dirty oven that he has no time to make great pies anymore.

Now, there are reasons why after 9 years, New Zelanders vote out a previous popular prime minister and even why a US president can only stand for two terms.

What I will say is that Dome has doubled those figures and sometimes change is good.

Everyone on here, knows someone who has been in a job too long (hell sometimes it has even been you)

Others have known and bitten off more than they can chew.


 

Nelfoos wrote:
A US president can only stand 2 terms because that's all they're allowed to.

Terrible analogy BTW.

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

 Nelfoos wrote:
A US president can only stand 2 terms because that's all they're allowed to.

Terrible analogy BTW.

Ummm exactly, that’s what I said.

Ten years tops.

theprof wrote:
FDV is 31 now right?
so in 2020 he was 25, when Libby left, he's an AW no after the last two years performances, not before.
Nix had Libby up till 2020, so FDV may not have been considered or maybe we werent even aware of him, then from 2020 - 2023 pre-injury who knew he even existed?

coochiee wrote:
For sure you would need to speak to the players about when convos were held with certain clubs and when. 

The Nix also had OVH on the books as a wide player seasons 21/22, 22/23, 23/24 & half 24/25 so I'm not convinced it was just Old they favoured over Randall. OVH is just 4 months older than Randall.

I'm not sure why The Prof keeps bringing up Libby re FDV and the Nix. The time for the club to look at de Vries was yes post him returning from Sweden after his ACL injury. Cacace well gone by then. Did the Nix miss a chance to bring in some depth behind Sutton? Who knows.

Again recruiting is never a perfect science. Plus the Nix heavily favour having the Academy pathway model. This may actually give them a little edge over AFC next few seasons, as the APL introduce a harder cap. We wait to see.

Edit - Prins has definitely been much improved with the OFC Pro finals series in Auckland. Yes before that he was very average. An example of how very useful that Pro League is for developing players for the next level. 5-6 months in a full time pro environment training every day, highly valuable.

Bradman99 wrote:

 coochiee wrote:
For sure you would need to speak to the players about when convos were held with certain clubs and when. 

The Nix also had OVH on the books as a wide player seasons 21/22, 22/23, 23/24 & half 24/25 so I'm not convinced it was just Old they favoured over Randall. OVH is just 4 months older than Randall.

I'm not sure why The Prof keeps bringing up Libby re FDV and the Nix. The time for the club to look at de Vries was yes post him returning from Sweden after his ACL injury. Cacace well gone by then. Did the Nix miss a chance to bring in some depth behind Sutton? Who knows.

Again recruiting is never a perfect science. Plus the Nix heavily favour having the Academy pathway model. This may actually give them a little edge over AFC next few seasons, as the APL introduce a harder cap. We wait to see.

Edit - Prins has definitely been much improved with the OFC Pro finals series in Auckland. Yes before that he was very average. An example of how very useful that Pro League is for developing players for the next level. 5-6 months in a full time pro environment training every day, highly valuable.

Not sure if the Nix Academy is a better pathway than the AFC model.  Below the reserves there is a cost to be in the academy ..although some talented players get sponsored supposedly.  This means there is a commerical element to it so they have to demonstrate success of the program by putting players that have been through it to the reserves which costs nothing.  Consequently some of those spots are filled due to 'loyalty' and marketing.

Contrast that with AFC  who cherrypicks the best young talent around from the clubs.  No obligaiton to pick players that have been through an academy.

Last season it was clear Isa Prins was one of the best young strikers going but didn't seem to get a look in with Nix who stuck with their boys who had been through the system.  AFC were smart enough to spot that and pick him up for OFC Pro.

You'd also have to question the scholarship model and both AFC & Nix are in the same boat here.  The players that have gone through the scholarship path over the last 2 or 3 years have basically been paid to not play football over that period.   Not playing regularly at that age can't help players development.  Hearing that a number of the lads that signed up for AFC scholarships at the start are on the way out.  Probably a few Nix lads who haven't played much might find the same fate soon.

Interesting that the most promising young player to join the Nix over the last couple of years, LBS, didn't come from through the academy.   AFC's model may be superior as they are picking players who are more physically developed and so have a better idea of the player they can be.  Nix have a bunch of players who may habve been good 14/15 year olds but havent had the neccessary athletic development to reach top level..but an obligation/willingness to stick with their players.  Coaches have a vested interest to push them forward as proof of the good work they have done.  

AFC now have the ability to bring in a slightly older group into their camp with the OFC Pro team is going to be an asset to them going forward.  Suspect that OFC Pro league is going to supply scholarships more going forward as the players that have gone from the reserves to the 1st team squad are finding the required development harder to achieve without game time.

The economics of the A league have changed and we need to be producing good talent.  We may need to be casting our recruitment net wider beyond those that have paid their dues working their way through the academy.

observerfromuh wrote:
This whole discussion saddens me, it seems like if you are a player who have played for the nix academy you'll get a look in. if you haven't we don't want you. 

19 years later and that doesn't work. 

Things needs to change at this club to win trophies, we may have finally got Greenie (who if he wasn't an ex player, wouldn't be near the managerial gig (and the last game of the season against a piss poor Macarthur team proves it)).

Nothing I see that is happening makes me interested in next season. If Auckland wins a trophy next season I reckon it's almost game over for us.

But knowing half the people on here, let's just continue to defend the same guy who has accomplished nothing for the past 19 years or whatever term he has had. (I say this as a few people have posted that we are getting the stink of being a loser club too)

observerfromuh wrote:
If Auckland wins a trophy next season I reckon it's almost game over for us.

But knowing half the people on here, let's just continue to defend the same guy who has accomplished nothing for the past 19 years or whatever term he has had. (I say this as a few people have posted that we are getting the stink of being a loser club too)

austin111 wrote:
Welnix did a great job hiring Bev and giving her the player resources she needed. From then on it was the Bev show. She controlled everything.Asked what her priorities were when she first arrived she said she had to change the culture. First thing was ambition. Always set the goal high she said. Never settle for second best. The rest is history.
Compare that with the men. Gill said hopefully when can assemble a mens  side that can push toward getting into the top six. 
In any club in the world he would have been sacked as DF after the disasterous two seasons we have had. Nice guy, well meaning, hard working but not the skills to be DF of an AL club.
He was moved from Ops into the DF role despite no experiance in a pro club.
The best thing the club could do now would be hire a proper DF who could work beside Greenie and build a side for the next season. Get someone with extensive pro football experiance. Someone like Simon Elliot for example.

 

MetalLegNZ wrote:
I like LKH - and I was not a fan of his 24 months ago. He has grown as a player, he is far more assertive now, is using his height better and is, for mine, the calmest CB we have on the ball.

I think he will make a great CB one day.

For me, the middle of the park wins you games. If you control the center, you control the game. We have not had that for the past few years.

Aucks will be weaker next year their salary exemptions will run out, meaning a more level playing field. I heard a comment that they pay twice our total salary... hard to compete against that, regardless of intention.