Is part of the lack of enthusiasm for the football due to a flat economy or perhaps, probably a worse one in Wellington? End of the day it’s a luxury entertainment product (or should be!).
I remember going to the football in big groups of enthusiastic people, including new Weta guys. And people stopped to ask us the score.
Part of the buzz was the football, but it was also the buzz of the city really doing some awesome things. And having a bit of cash to enjoy.
Stop with the flat economy excuses. What was the excuse 5 years ago when the club was winning nothing.
Seems like a lot of fans use excuse, after excuse to warrant a poor performing team and imanixsupporter is right, NZ sports fans only like winners and AFC have shown how much of a loser team the Nix are.
Dwindling support and focus but yet some fans want the status quo to keep happening because there is no alternative.
The reality is that for a lot of football fans AFC is one, and they'll never come back.
Reality or excuses? This has been a vindictive government that realised it doesn’t get many votes in Wellington and targeted Wellington for lay offs.
And this is some time after Sir John told us Wellington was a dying city.
It’s the same all over- music, hospitality, and other luxury lifestyle goods are down.
When the club started out it was mostly economic good times, with the prospect of more in the future, propped up as it was by immigration and the housing market. Outside the housing market there was no inflation for 20 years that we talked about and the housing market was a one way slot machine for those involved.
Now Fonterra is bailing out of its brands, we are desperately trawling for oil and gas we can’t find while ignoring our responsibilities by treaty to avoid severe climate change, dumping responsibilities on councils and then blaming them for not being able to fix water systems without cash. We’re about to give up on flood, landslip and storm victims cos they cost a bit much. And earthquake ones too. Can’t afford it so that lot is cut loose.
What’s Fonterra’s excuse? It can’t make money selling cheese in New Zealand?
Even now a rural connecting road out may be out for a year or more.
It’s a bit harder to find a football party amongst all that.
We had a point when a blockbuster a year was dropping at Christmas, fresh from Wellington to the world. Fun times. Exciting times.
All we got to look forward to now is higher healthcare and super. Or a bunch of cut loose poor old people without houses, being kicked by a smug property class.
Not much of the city feeding into the football now.
If you have a limited and decreasing market it’s a hard sell.
LMAO Just what do you thinks going to happen when things arnt going so smoothly at AFC. Kidding yourself if you think those that left us will stick around. I hope like shark it dosnt happen the way the last 2 went. But arnt crowds already starting to drop and its not the place to be seen at it was.
And Wellington itself is a basket case in the main caused by a Council dominated by people i suspect of having similar political views as you Martin.
Really? I think it’s a generation thing. The kids who fought in the Great War sacrificed their lives and from that we pressured Britain to make us a rich little country. In WW2 we went where Britain went.
Much of this current generation has had over 100% and in some cases many times that in virtue free capital gains on property that inflation paid to in the 70s. Will it sacrifice a bit of that to invest in infrastructure, to sacrifice for their descendants future? Will they f-. The 20s and 30s of the late 70s and 80s are vampires.
Look at the way the government decided that parents of 19 and 20 year old adults were responsible for them. And decided to bollocks the young people for not getting non-existent jobs. Ghouls.
You think the property bubble economy was the Wellington council’s fault? Jaysus.
It was a cross party stitch up because everyone had cash and felt good. And no one risked saying the Emperor had no clothes.
Reality or excuses? This has been a vindictive government that realised it doesn’t get many votes in Wellington and targeted Wellington for lay offs.
And this is some time after Sir John told us Wellington was a dying city.
It’s the same all over- music, hospitality, and other luxury lifestyle goods are down.
When the club started out it was mostly economic good times, with the prospect of more in the future, propped up as it was by immigration and the housing market. Outside the housing market there was no inflation for 20 years that we talked about and the housing market was a one way slot machine for those involved.
Now Fonterra is bailing out of its brands, we are desperately trawling for oil and gas we can’t find while ignoring our responsibilities by treaty to avoid severe climate change, dumping responsibilities on councils and then blaming them for not being able to fix water systems without cash. We’re about to give up on flood, landslip and storm victims cos they cost a bit much. And earthquake ones too. Can’t afford it so that lot is cut loose.
What’s Fonterra’s excuse? It can’t make money selling cheese in New Zealand?
Even now a rural connecting road out may be out for a year or more.
It’s a bit harder to find a football party amongst all that.
We had a point when a blockbuster a year was dropping at Christmas, fresh from Wellington to the world. Fun times. Exciting times.
All we got to look forward to now is higher healthcare and super. Or a bunch of cut loose poor old people without houses, being kicked by a smug property class.
Not much of the city feeding into the football now.
If you have a limited and decreasing market it’s a hard sell.
Your mates shut down the the oil refinery in Northland and thats why we struggle on oil.
You wanting to blame the Nix's woes on this current government and Sir (actually deserved) John Key proves that fans are excuse after excuse.
Avatar just dropped but hey because they milked a kids book into three movies (Hobbit) (which all sucked and made the new ones go off sure) you think a movie a year should come and be made in an industry struggling globally to make decent movies.
Lastly, football was always a hard sell in wellington, even harder if you have a club that is doing nothing to entice current and new fans
I'd just like to issue the quick shout-out to Domey that I'm sure most fans were right about to post in honour of his 7-0 dismantling of the Sydney FC women's team this afternoon. His all-encompassing role would be a lot to ask of any normal working person, but even the convincing three-goal lead at the break wasn't enough to have our tireless workhorse of a general manager shift down into second gear and simply see out the second half.
And Wellington itself is a basket case in the main caused by a Council dominated by people i suspect of having similar political views as you Martin.
My main priority is I wanna see the Nix doing well. But the consumer economy of the twentieth century relies on everyone having money to spend.
We’re seeing ghouls suck money out of the economy- the social networks are killing advertising and scarcely paying a dime. That’s money sucked out of circulation every month. Billionaires hoard wealth, or spend it on vanity projects where people can’t tell them when things are broken.
Remember when everyone rode a bike and it wasn’t a culture war issue? Here in Japan supermarkets, train stations and department stores have bicycle parks. Here’s a thought- if you’ve invested in a bicycle lane put a couple of bicycle parks out the front rather than telling everyone who gets around this way, and it sure wouldn’t be my fat gut in Welly!, that their business isn’t welcome. We used to bike to school. Everyone used to want a bike when they were 10 or 12 or earlier…
I want us to be ticking over as an economy and the Nix having loud, happy fans, not fighting over f- speed limits around schools or whatever.
I dunno I’d like to hear a good story about the future of NZ and the world in general. But no one’s got one they wanna tell…
Reality or excuses? This has been a vindictive government that realised it doesn’t get many votes in Wellington and targeted Wellington for lay offs.
And this is some time after Sir John told us Wellington was a dying city.
It’s the same all over- music, hospitality, and other luxury lifestyle goods are down.
When the club started out it was mostly economic good times, with the prospect of more in the future, propped up as it was by immigration and the housing market. Outside the housing market there was no inflation for 20 years that we talked about and the housing market was a one way slot machine for those involved.
Now Fonterra is bailing out of its brands, we are desperately trawling for oil and gas we can’t find while ignoring our responsibilities by treaty to avoid severe climate change, dumping responsibilities on councils and then blaming them for not being able to fix water systems without cash. We’re about to give up on flood, landslip and storm victims cos they cost a bit much. And earthquake ones too. Can’t afford it so that lot is cut loose.
What’s Fonterra’s excuse? It can’t make money selling cheese in New Zealand?
Even now a rural connecting road out may be out for a year or more.
It’s a bit harder to find a football party amongst all that.
We had a point when a blockbuster a year was dropping at Christmas, fresh from Wellington to the world. Fun times. Exciting times.
All we got to look forward to now is higher healthcare and super. Or a bunch of cut loose poor old people without houses, being kicked by a smug property class.
Not much of the city feeding into the football now.
If you have a limited and decreasing market it’s a hard sell.
Your mates shut down the the oil refinery in Northland and thats why we struggle on oil.
You wanting to blame the Nix's woes on this current government and Sir (actually deserved) John Key proves that fans are excuse after excuse.
Avatar just dropped but hey because they milked a kids book into three movies (Hobbit) (which all sucked and made the new ones go off sure) you think a movie a year should come and be made in an industry struggling globally to make decent movies.
Lastly, football was always a hard sell in wellington, even harder if you have a club that is doing nothing to entice current and new fans
I'd just like to issue the quick shout-out to Domey that I'm sure most fans were right about to post in honour of his 7-0 dismantling of the Sydney FC women's team this afternoon. His all-encompassing role would be a lot to ask of any normal working person, but even the convincing three-goal lead at the break wasn't enough to have our tireless workhorse of a general manager shift down into second gear and simply see out the second half.
Maaan to get Christmas off had to do some extra hours today… Worst game to miss.
Bloody Phoenix trying to buy the competition, etc…
I'd just like to issue the quick shout-out to Domey that I'm sure most fans were right about to post in honour of his 7-0 dismantling of the Sydney FC women's team this afternoon. His all-encompassing role would be a lot to ask of any normal working person, but even the convincing three-goal lead at the break wasn't enough to have our tireless workhorse of a general manager shift down into second gear and simply see out the second half.
yeah, if he's to blame for the bad he's to praise for the good.
I'd just like to issue the quick shout-out to Domey that I'm sure most fans were right about to post in honour of his 7-0 dismantling of the Sydney FC women's team this afternoon. His all-encompassing role would be a lot to ask of any normal working person, but even the convincing three-goal lead at the break wasn't enough to have our tireless workhorse of a general manager shift down into second gear and simply see out the second half.
yeah, if he's to blame for the bad he's to praise for the good.
9.9/10 performance from Dome today. 10 if he got on the score sheet :)
Reality or excuses? This has been a vindictive government that realised it doesn’t get many votes in Wellington and targeted Wellington for lay offs.
And this is some time after Sir John told us Wellington was a dying city.
It’s the same all over- music, hospitality, and other luxury lifestyle goods are down.
When the club started out it was mostly economic good times, with the prospect of more in the future, propped up as it was by immigration and the housing market. Outside the housing market there was no inflation for 20 years that we talked about and the housing market was a one way slot machine for those involved.
Now Fonterra is bailing out of its brands, we are desperately trawling for oil and gas we can’t find while ignoring our responsibilities by treaty to avoid severe climate change, dumping responsibilities on councils and then blaming them for not being able to fix water systems without cash. We’re about to give up on flood, landslip and storm victims cos they cost a bit much. And earthquake ones too. Can’t afford it so that lot is cut loose.
What’s Fonterra’s excuse? It can’t make money selling cheese in New Zealand?
Even now a rural connecting road out may be out for a year or more.
It’s a bit harder to find a football party amongst all that.
We had a point when a blockbuster a year was dropping at Christmas, fresh from Wellington to the world. Fun times. Exciting times.
All we got to look forward to now is higher healthcare and super. Or a bunch of cut loose poor old people without houses, being kicked by a smug property class.
Not much of the city feeding into the football now.
If you have a limited and decreasing market it’s a hard sell.
Your mates shut down the the oil refinery in Northland and thats why we struggle on oil.
You wanting to blame the Nix's woes on this current government and Sir (actually deserved) John Key proves that fans are excuse after excuse.
Avatar just dropped but hey because they milked a kids book into three movies (Hobbit) (which all sucked and made the new ones go off sure) you think a movie a year should come and be made in an industry struggling globally to make decent movies.
Lastly, football was always a hard sell in wellington, even harder if you have a club that is doing nothing to entice current and new fans
Dude, first we aren’t that far apart. I hated the Hobbit movies with a passion. And the Avatar movies are not blockbusters. They lost their touch.
Yes, entertainment is struggling internationally. Recreation is struggling internationally. Sport is struggling as it is designed for TV viewing and that’s dropped off with streaming, gaming and other things exploding without reaching the former media.
Tbh Marsden point and Comalco are quite a lot like Eden Park- there with their hands out, yet somehow deserving of millions unlike a 19 year old asking for a few thousand. But that’s by the by. And why is it always my mates? If I had mates that powerful the Nix would have won the league by now.
I mean, if you want to run the club, go for gold. Who is our mainstay? What do we need to do to bring them back and who will be our mainstay in 5 years? Tough ask but are they the same?
It is honestly awesome to see you angry and that you care about the club. I think that’s good.
But also man, it’s the economy… (Edit: Also dude at the end of the Clark government Sir Michael and Sir John had a conversation about rampant property inflation and the lack of investment culture in NZ, partly down to a lack of trust post 1987. Neither major party considered this a problem again, cos getting fat on property inflation is the same as getting fat on productive investment as far as voters are concerned…the Ardern government did a few things, which are hitting now, but…)
Rob talked casually to YF members about generational change a few years back. A rebrand couldn’t hurt. But it might be better with a few more 7-0 wins first..!
LMAO Just what do you thinks going to happen when things arnt going so smoothly at AFC. Kidding yourself if you think those that left us will stick around. I hope like shark it dosnt happen the way the last 2 went. But arnt crowds already starting to drop and its not the place to be seen at it was.
Down 25% on last season but still doing better than any other club in the league.
Reality or excuses? This has been a vindictive government that realised it doesn’t get many votes in Wellington and targeted Wellington for lay offs.
And this is some time after Sir John told us Wellington was a dying city.
It’s the same all over- music, hospitality, and other luxury lifestyle goods are down.
When the club started out it was mostly economic good times, with the prospect of more in the future, propped up as it was by immigration and the housing market. Outside the housing market there was no inflation for 20 years that we talked about and the housing market was a one way slot machine for those involved.
Now Fonterra is bailing out of its brands, we are desperately trawling for oil and gas we can’t find while ignoring our responsibilities by treaty to avoid severe climate change, dumping responsibilities on councils and then blaming them for not being able to fix water systems without cash. We’re about to give up on flood, landslip and storm victims cos they cost a bit much. And earthquake ones too. Can’t afford it so that lot is cut loose.
What’s Fonterra’s excuse? It can’t make money selling cheese in New Zealand?
Even now a rural connecting road out may be out for a year or more.
It’s a bit harder to find a football party amongst all that.
We had a point when a blockbuster a year was dropping at Christmas, fresh from Wellington to the world. Fun times. Exciting times.
All we got to look forward to now is higher healthcare and super. Or a bunch of cut loose poor old people without houses, being kicked by a smug property class.
Not much of the city feeding into the football now.
If you have a limited and decreasing market it’s a hard sell.
Your mates shut down the the oil refinery in Northland and thats why we struggle on oil.
You wanting to blame the Nix's woes on this current government and Sir (actually deserved) John Key proves that fans are excuse after excuse.
Avatar just dropped but hey because they milked a kids book into three movies (Hobbit) (which all sucked and made the new ones go off sure) you think a movie a year should come and be made in an industry struggling globally to make decent movies.
Lastly, football was always a hard sell in wellington, even harder if you have a club that is doing nothing to entice current and new fans
Dude, first we aren’t that far apart. I’m hated the Hobbit movies with a passion. And the Avatar movies are not blockbusters. They lost their touch.
Yes, entertainment is struggling internationally. Recreation is struggling internationally. Sport is struggling as it is designed for TV viewing and that’s dropped off with streaming, gaming and other things exploding without reaching the former media.
Tbh Marsden point and Comalco are quite a lot like Eden Park- there with their hands out, yet somehow deserving of millions unlike a 19 year old asking for a few thousand. But that’s by the by. And why is it always my mates? If I had mates that powerful the Nix would have won the league by now.
I mean, if you want to run the club, go for gold. Who is our mainstay? What do we need to do to bring them back and who will be our mainstay in 5 years? Tough ask but are they the same?
It is honestly awesome to see you angry and that you care about the club. I think that’s good.
But also man, it’s the economy…
Rob talked casually to YF members about generational change a few years back. A rebrand couldn’t hurt. But it might be better with a few more 7-0 wins first..!
Sorry it seemed like you were intentionally blaming one side on the fact that jobs are at a loss. Even though I think whoever was in power would have had to do some job losses in Wellington unfortunately.
Me and you are similar, I just want some change or a renewed hope, but it seems like nothing has eventuated. I'll probably tone down the DD out brigade as it seems like its not changing.
Part of the long term vision for us is that Wellington doesn't have a fit-for-purpose stadium for us. A 10-15000 rectangular set up would do perfectly with an explanation of if we do Finals games at the set up tickets would be more rather than move to Sky. I agree that sport is struggling and people would rather buy a six pack of crafties, invite a few mates over and watch a game on TV rather than fork out 30 bucks for a ticket and 10 bucks for a can.
I don't want us to end up like the Wahs with the saying next year is our year, especially that AFC is likely gonna end up top of the table.
I mean I was! But also a bit of historical context. This is quite a different government to Sir John’s. Key led a softly softly government. Not hugely different to Clark’s approach of ride the property economy. But these guys are radical, anti-democratic, austerity and think big and think small and petty at the same time- we would have got those better ferries last week you know? But my dislike of Americanisation of our healthcare under urgency doesn’t help the Nix much.
And the craft beer economy is getting centralized and supermarket controlled too…another luxury product fighting an Aussie duopoly which has stronger mates…
We’d do well to end up like the Warriors! Millions from the league each year. 30k fans plus the casuals when they win a couple! It’s a sad possibility we could be worse than them.
But hey- Bev to take the men’s team next year? Campaign starts here.
And I can still remember the Auckland regional council that was supposed to privatize everything and ran the council at a profit, selling nothing…TINA isn’t always true. Though I always say thank you to bus drivers with a bit of guilt…
Do you mean if Dome stays do I think things will change. My answer is no. I have nothing against him personally. Im sure he is quite a capable administrator. He always struck me as a more back of the office guy, good at spreadsheets and day to day running of a business. But I would give him low marks for things like communication and big picture strategy. He tends to disappear when things are not going well. The clubs lack of response to terrible crowd numbers is shocking. I would keep Dome on as head of admin but i honestly believe that we need fresh vision leading the club. An Auckland friend asked me if Becker and McFlynn were heading the current Nix would things be a lot better. I have to admit I said yes.
LMAO Just what do you thinks going to happen when things arnt going so smoothly at AFC. Kidding yourself if you think those that left us will stick around. I hope like shark it dosnt happen the way the last 2 went. But arnt crowds already starting to drop and its not the place to be seen at it was.
Down 25% on last season but still doing better than any other club in the league.
Yep realise that was just saying its going to be interesting what happens when things arnt going so smoothly. Because think we all know thats eventually going to happen.
Do you mean if Dome stays do I think things will change. My answer is no. I have nothing against him personally. Im sure he is quite a capable administrator. He always struck me as a more back of the office guy, good at spreadsheets and day to day running of a business. But I would give him low marks for things like communication and big picture strategy. He tends to disappear when things are not going well. The clubs lack of response to terrible crowd numbers is shocking. I would keep Dome on as head of admin but i honestly believe that we need fresh vision leading the club. An Auckland friend asked me if Becker and McFlynn were heading the current Nix would things be a lot better. I have to admit I said yes.
Regarding the response to the terrible crowds, I feel like if what is rumoured in the Alternative Wellington Stadium thread is happening behind the scenes, it might be something they are just willing to accept/look past because they'll have a cheaper, smaller alternative lined up soon enough which will add an energy boost to the fanbase.
And Wellington itself is a basket case in the main caused by a Council dominated by people i suspect of having similar political views as you Martin.
My main priority is I wanna see the Nix doing well. But the consumer economy of the twentieth century relies on everyone having money to spend.
We’re seeing ghouls suck money out of the economy- the social networks are killing advertising and scarcely paying a dime. That’s money sucked out of circulation every month. Billionaires hoard wealth, or spend it on vanity projects where people can’t tell them when things are broken.
Remember when everyone rode a bike and it wasn’t a culture war issue? Here in Japan supermarkets, train stations and department stores have bicycle parks. Here’s a thought- if you’ve invested in a bicycle lane put a couple of bicycle parks out the front rather than telling everyone who gets around this way, and it sure wouldn’t be my fat gut in Welly!, that their business isn’t welcome. We used to bike to school. Everyone used to want a bike when they were 10 or 12 or earlier…
I want us to be ticking over as an economy and the Nix having loud, happy fans, not fighting over f- speed limits around schools or whatever.
I dunno I’d like to hear a good story about the future of NZ and the world in general. But no one’s got one they wanna tell…
Do you mean if Dome stays do I think things will change. My answer is no. I have nothing against him personally. Im sure he is quite a capable administrator. He always struck me as a more back of the office guy, good at spreadsheets and day to day running of a business. But I would give him low marks for things like communication and big picture strategy. He tends to disappear when things are not going well. The clubs lack of response to terrible crowd numbers is shocking. I would keep Dome on as head of admin but i honestly believe that we need fresh vision leading the club. An Auckland friend asked me if Becker and McFlynn were heading the current Nix would things be a lot better. I have to admit I said yes.
interesting thought experiment, becker and mcflynn at the Nix. Yes they could be better, but imagine Corica here would he be as good as afc now with our current squad and injuries? Becker and mcflynn have access to wealth (that can buy your rivals best player and use every bit of the cap and concessions available) that domey can only dream of, a scouting network, and even benefiting from strength and conditioning knowledge.
And Wellington itself is a basket case in the main caused by a Council dominated by people i suspect of having similar political views as you Martin.
My main priority is I wanna see the Nix doing well. But the consumer economy of the twentieth century relies on everyone having money to spend.
We’re seeing ghouls suck money out of the economy- the social networks are killing advertising and scarcely paying a dime. That’s money sucked out of circulation every month. Billionaires hoard wealth, or spend it on vanity projects where people can’t tell them when things are broken.
Remember when everyone rode a bike and it wasn’t a culture war issue? Here in Japan supermarkets, train stations and department stores have bicycle parks. Here’s a thought- if you’ve invested in a bicycle lane put a couple of bicycle parks out the front rather than telling everyone who gets around this way, and it sure wouldn’t be my fat gut in Welly!, that their business isn’t welcome. We used to bike to school. Everyone used to want a bike when they were 10 or 12 or earlier…
I want us to be ticking over as an economy and the Nix having loud, happy fans, not fighting over f- speed limits around schools or whatever.
I dunno I’d like to hear a good story about the future of NZ and the world in general. But no one’s got one they wanna tell…
Hey, how about you go fudge yourself? You’re a coward and a snarky piece of crap. Often you’re good value and charismatic on the football so you skate on that, but also you used to have a nasty habit of turning up to be the third person dropping some lazy misogyny on Dolores. You’re a garden gnome Cosgrove, bud.
First of all I don’t believe that Dome can afford to accept or look past terrible crowds.
Second of all if they really do have something lined up (which I doubt) then that should be communicated by Dome.
It was one of my more optimistic thoughts - but there has been a lot of discourse of crowds for years so I would not be surprised if theyre over it, and would rather lurk in the shadows on this one to hard launch a temporary (heh) solution to both their funds and crowds.
Communication would be fantastic though - unless it backfires like the stadium back in the 2010s, where we had to go back to Sky with our tails between our legs due to the NIMBYs.
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
Not so sure your right on all that, pretty sure it was said somewhere that Rob was handling negotiations with Chief. Also not sure its all just on those two, would be very surprised if the Welnix guys wernt getting advice from somewhere. Do laugh at people who continually demand to be told the inner workings about the way or why a decision on something has been made. Dont think there would be many clubs in the world who tell their fans the inner workings of the club, and the how's and whys they hired certain staff or players. Pretty sure billionare "Bill" dosnt tell the fans of his various clubs the inner workings of why and how he does certain things. Yet some Phoenix fans think they have that right to be told .
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
Not so sure your right on all that, pretty sure it was said somewhere that Rob was handling negotiations with Chief. Also not sure its all just on those two, would be very surprised if the Welnix guys wernt getting advice from somewhere. Do laugh at people who continually demand to be told the inner workings about the way or why a decision on something has been made. Dont think there would be many clubs in the world who tell their fans the inner workings of the club, and the how's and whys they hired certain staff or players. Pretty sure billionare "Bill" dosnt tell the fans of his various clubs the inner workings of why and how he does certain things. Yet some Phoenix fans think they have that right to be told .
It's not a secret inner workings, it a basic job description. I'm pretty sure the report upwards and give suggestion to Rob and he has the final word. But in case if they don't do any of this, what else are you they doing?
First of all I don’t believe that Dome can afford to accept or look past terrible crowds.
Second of all if they really do have something lined up (which I doubt) then that should be communicated by Dome.
It was one of my more optimistic thoughts - but there has been a lot of discourse of crowds for years so I would not be surprised if theyre over it, and would rather lurk in the shadows on this one to hard launch a temporary (heh) solution to both their funds and crowds.
Communication would be fantastic though - unless it backfires like the stadium back in the 2010s, where we had to go back to Sky with our tails between our legs due to the NIMBYs.
Communication is something the club most defiantly needs to work on. It has been brought up a number of times with the club by the FRG and i have no doubt it will again. The Wellnix guys keep a pretty low profile in their business dealings and seem to prefer to roll that out with the Phoenix as well. Agree in some areas of the Phoenix thats not the way it should be and it would be awesome to hear from Rob more often. But as long as he and his partners continue to be underwriting the Phoenix im happy for him to continue the way he feels most comfortable with..
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
Not so sure your right on all that, pretty sure it was said somewhere that Rob was handling negotiations with Chief. Also not sure its all just on those two, would be very surprised if the Welnix guys wernt getting advice from somewhere. Do laugh at people who continually demand to be told the inner workings about the way or why a decision on something has been made. Dont think there would be many clubs in the world who tell their fans the inner workings of the club, and the how's and whys they hired certain staff or players. Pretty sure billionare "Bill" dosnt tell the fans of his various clubs the inner workings of why and how he does certain things. Yet some Phoenix fans think they have that right to be told .
It's not a secret inner workings, it a basic job description. I'm pretty sure the report upwards and give suggestion to Rob and he has the final word. But in case if they don't do any of this, what else are you they doing?
Yeah but i dont get why you think the fans need to be told who is making what decisions about players and staff. Im not familiar with the running of sports teams. So is it common for other clubs to tell their fans who is doing those jobs and making those decisions and who is making the decisions about playing style.
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
Not so sure your right on all that, pretty sure it was said somewhere that Rob was handling negotiations with Chief. Also not sure its all just on those two, would be very surprised if the Welnix guys wernt getting advice from somewhere. Do laugh at people who continually demand to be told the inner workings about the way or why a decision on something has been made. Dont think there would be many clubs in the world who tell their fans the inner workings of the club, and the how's and whys they hired certain staff or players. Pretty sure billionare "Bill" dosnt tell the fans of his various clubs the inner workings of why and how he does certain things. Yet some Phoenix fans think they have that right to be told .
It's not a secret inner workings, it a basic job description. I'm pretty sure the report upwards and give suggestion to Rob and he has the final word. But in case if they don't do any of this, what else are you they doing?
chiefy had to present to the football committe to get an extension and they prescribed the style of football. I don't know who is on the football committee, in the past included Noah Hickey and a Chote (can't remember which one) and at least Rob from the owners (who I think is very likely still on it).
It's interesting that people give David a free pass. Both DOF (Gill) and GM (Dome) are responsible for finances, fan engagement, recruiting, style of football, sponsors, long term squad planning, staff logistic, etc. THEY are running the show! Italiano got hired and trusted by this two guys to turn the ship around. If they are not responsible who is? We need a new thread for that guy.
Not so sure your right on all that, pretty sure it was said somewhere that Rob was handling negotiations with Chief. Also not sure its all just on those two, would be very surprised if the Welnix guys wernt getting advice from somewhere. Do laugh at people who continually demand to be told the inner workings about the way or why a decision on something has been made. Dont think there would be many clubs in the world who tell their fans the inner workings of the club, and the how's and whys they hired certain staff or players. Pretty sure billionare "Bill" dosnt tell the fans of his various clubs the inner workings of why and how he does certain things. Yet some Phoenix fans think they have that right to be told .
It's not a secret inner workings, it a basic job description. I'm pretty sure the report upwards and give suggestion to Rob and he has the final word. But in case if they don't do any of this, what else are you they doing?
chiefy had to present to the football committe to get an extension and they prescribed the style of football. I don't know who is on the football committee, in the past included Noah Hickey and a Chote (can't remember which one) and at least Rob from the owners (who I think is very likely still on it).
Believe a Chote is still on it, who that is I don’t know, but there is definitely one involved.
And Wellington itself is a basket case in the main caused by a Council dominated by people i suspect of having similar political views as you Martin.
My main priority is I wanna see the Nix doing well. But the consumer economy of the twentieth century relies on everyone having money to spend.
We’re seeing ghouls suck money out of the economy- the social networks are killing advertising and scarcely paying a dime. That’s money sucked out of circulation every month. Billionaires hoard wealth, or spend it on vanity projects where people can’t tell them when things are broken.
Remember when everyone rode a bike and it wasn’t a culture war issue? Here in Japan supermarkets, train stations and department stores have bicycle parks. Here’s a thought- if you’ve invested in a bicycle lane put a couple of bicycle parks out the front rather than telling everyone who gets around this way, and it sure wouldn’t be my fat gut in Welly!, that their business isn’t welcome. We used to bike to school. Everyone used to want a bike when they were 10 or 12 or earlier…
I want us to be ticking over as an economy and the Nix having loud, happy fans, not fighting over f- speed limits around schools or whatever.
I dunno I’d like to hear a good story about the future of NZ and the world in general. But no one’s got one they wanna tell…
Hey, how about you go fudge yourself? You’re a coward and a snarky piece of crap. Often you’re good value and charismatic on the football so you skate on that, but also you used to have a nasty habit of turning up to be the third person dropping some lazy misogyny on Dolores. You’re a garden gnome Cosgrove, bud.
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