We need to talk about David

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about 17 hours ago
martinb wrote:
 nufc_nz wrote:
 martinb wrote:
So all you three experts had the Jets before the season started? Yeh, fkn right. 

And you had us missing the title by a cat’s whisker and having 9 weeks at number one in Chief’s first season? 
More like you were bitching about signings and internal promotions. 


 
NUFC:
The nix haven’t finished top of the table, won a trophy or even been in a grand final. 
By a c*%#> hair they missed finishing top bud. They weren’t doing nothing. It was our best ever season just two ago. That’s the path, just a little more.

I do enjoy the analysis of ‘No title BAAAD!’ but it seems unlikely that we’re going to find Klopp, Ireola or Ancelloti’s partner  working in our academy the way we attracted Bev. 

Your main points are: the Nix haven’t won, so they must be sh*>$. 
This logic is now contorted in: Greenie was an academy coach when we didn’t win the title, so he can’t win. 

The last coaching revelation was Milligan. I wanna hear from this brains trust who the next one will be. 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Jets have won the league multiple times already?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  “In 18 years we came so close that one time”….

Auckland have done it all in their first 2 years. Made NZ history. 
Yeh the first time was when Dura played for them 20 years ago. Before he joined us.

Nothing for twenty years. 

And yes, I’m not a miserable git, I’m going to celebrate my team’s best performance ever, even if they didn’t win. And hope it’s a sign we can do better. Sure you refused to celebrate the Carabao Cup because it wasn’t the league for your Geordie muppets. Then you’ll refuse to celebrate the PL if you win because it isn’t the Champions League.

Yes, f-face, this Auckland team is exceptional. 

I’d probably spend all day thinking about that. I bet Beckham spends all day crying and wailing cos he ain’t Messi. 

If you applied your bs to Newcastle you’d have been supporting Manchester Red long ago.



You’re arguing against yourself at this point. Maybe put the drink down, fella.

Of course I celebrated the cup win. Why wouldn’t I? 

Of course I won’t change what team I support, not sure what you’re on about. I just want my teams to win.


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about 17 hours ago
nufc_nz wrote:
 martinb wrote:
 nufc_nz wrote:
 martinb wrote:
So all you three experts had the Jets before the season started? Yeh, fkn right. 

And you had us missing the title by a cat’s whisker and having 9 weeks at number one in Chief’s first season? 
More like you were bitching about signings and internal promotions. 


 
NUFC:
The nix haven’t finished top of the table, won a trophy or even been in a grand final. 
By a c*%#> hair they missed finishing top bud. They weren’t doing nothing. It was our best ever season just two ago. That’s the path, just a little more.

I do enjoy the analysis of ‘No title BAAAD!’ but it seems unlikely that we’re going to find Klopp, Ireola or Ancelloti’s partner  working in our academy the way we attracted Bev. 

Your main points are: the Nix haven’t won, so they must be sh*>$. 
This logic is now contorted in: Greenie was an academy coach when we didn’t win the title, so he can’t win. 

The last coaching revelation was Milligan. I wanna hear from this brains trust who the next one will be. 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Jets have won the league multiple times already?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  “In 18 years we came so close that one time”….

Auckland have done it all in their first 2 years. Made NZ history. 
Yeh the first time was when Dura played for them 20 years ago. Before he joined us.

Nothing for twenty years. 

And yes, I’m not a miserable git, I’m going to celebrate my team’s best performance ever, even if they didn’t win. And hope it’s a sign we can do better. Sure you refused to celebrate the Carabao Cup because it wasn’t the league for your Geordie muppets. Then you’ll refuse to celebrate the PL if you win because it isn’t the Champions League.

Yes, f-face, this Auckland team is exceptional. 

I’d probably spend all day thinking about that. I bet Beckham spends all day crying and wailing cos he ain’t Messi. 

If you applied your bs to Newcastle you’d have been supporting Manchester Red long ago.



 
You’re arguing against yourself at this point. Maybe put the drink down, fella.

Of course I celebrated the cup win. Why wouldn’t I? 

Of course I won’t change what team I support, not sure what you’re on about. I just want my teams to win.
You can spot when you saddos lose: you can’t imagine what I’m talking about and say I’ve been drinking. 

Why talk up a meaningless trophy with most clubs playing second teams, but not celebrate a season where you achieved your best ever league finish and spent 9 consecutive weeks at the top?

You don’t have to be satisfied with it, it doesn’t have to be the top of your ambitions, you don’t have to make a straw man of me saying something I didn’t, but it was a good season with lots of great wins and very good players and football. 

Why change? Seems you not are happy unless there’s a trophy won. United got and get heaps of those. From your demands and logic that would be your natural home…

Getting a league cup is an achievement, finishing Champions League places is an achievement, and having our best ever season is an achievement. We did have plenty of wins, just one or two too few to be Premiership…are Hearts losers now too?


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about 17 hours ago
Mainland FC wrote:
Clubs with bigger resources effectively can buy a better chance of being in the finals playoffs more often, potentially year in, year out.  That is why we see Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC in the top six more often than CCM or the Jets.  Someone more up to date with the stats than me could do a correlation table of different clubs' financial acumen (if such data exists unless you use a proxy marker of some kind) versus table position at the end of the season, for the past I do not know maybe 6-10 years unless their financial position changed drastically like Western United. It would be interesting to see if there are clubs that despite their lower acumen consistently punch above their weight. How they do that could give us some food for thought instead of descending into a bunfight.

 
Add to that bigger cosmopolitan cities have other attractions. It gives Melbourne, Sydney and Auckland an advantage.

Hiroki Sakai knew people in Auckland. He might have known people in Wellington, but that connection helped him come, stay and settle in. 

It also means sometimes we have to pay over the odds to attract imports or Aussie players. 

We got Kosta back because the grandparents were here, so sometimes it works for us too. And the ol jet ski club with Steven Taylor. But usually it makes things a little difficult.


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about 15 hours ago
Welnix did a great job hiring Bev and giving her the player resources she needed. From then on it was the Bev show. She controlled everything.Asked what her priorities were when she first arrived she said she had to change the culture. First thing was ambition. Always set the goal high she said. Never settle for second best. The rest is history.
Compare that with the men. Gill said hopefully when can assemble a mens  side that can push toward getting into the top six. 
In any club in the world he would have been sacked as DF after the disasterous two seasons we have had. Nice guy, well meaning, hard working but not the skills to be DF of an AL club.
He was moved from Ops into the DF role despite no experiance in a pro club.
The best thing the club could do now would be hire a proper DF who could work beside Greenie and build a side for the next season. Get someone with extensive pro football experiance. Someone like Simon Elliot for example.

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This is an idea.
Give us the Elliot pitch. He’s been Stateside for a while? 

It’s true the current model is partly left over from Uffie. The academy played variations of that 4-2-2-2. And in effect this is the time or a chance to transition from the Uffie/Chief era. 

I’m not qualified to assess who would be good or if Gilly and the current football committee is fine or not. 

On the other hand it is perhaps unlikely to happen as this year’s transfer business would be well underway. 

Or we could emulate the noisy neighbors and bring someone in with A league experience in Australia? 

Or offer it to someone like Boxall when he retires, if he sees himself going in that direction? 


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about 12 hours ago
At the end of the day, below is the legacy of the Nix if they folded (the boys trip for a lot of Australian teams just moves from WLG to AKL). Even Macarthur won 2 FFA cups too.

With Dome and half you lot asking why are we doing this again, it's because some fans believe the club has done the same thing for 19 years and want a change.

P.S. People talk about the good season the women had. a. they won nothing, b. Bev could easily leave. c. they won nothing.

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Kind of embarrassing I trusted AI on Adelaide. I’d looked this up before and felt from memory that brilliant era collected more silverware. Geez and 2008 when I watched a lot of them wasn’t even their A league prime. 3 successful eras there at least. We used to take a guaranteed hiding at Hindmarsh. So much so that one of my most cherished Nix memories is watching Boxall and Boyd score an icing on the cake goal. I think we’d really battled the time before and got some tough, tough late ref calls. Against the young ginger Aussie RB iirc. Anyhou.

Sure. 

I mean several things: what’s the alternative? How are you suggesting doing things differently? 
As I said before Milligan is now a star coach, but he was still getting bagged after the Australia Cup win. Chief, who is now fairly poorly regarded, came close to winning. Shouldn’t we give Greenie his shot? 

WSW splashed cash and got nowhere last couple of seasons. We splashed the cash with Uffie and didn’t get there either.

Why is it only Domey’s fault? Surely if you’re lauding Foley, you’re also saying WelNix are part of the problem? We just need a billionaire owner who also owns an EPL team and has a network of analysis and data available through his multi-club empire. Wonder if there are any going spare? 

We all want to win something, but do you want a team of Becker/McFlynn/ Corica? I mean fine if you do, but it’s a choice of doing things a certain way. There’s a reason Auckland top the fouls list and flop too. And they charge and surround the ref. Corica and McFlynn did it as players! It’s how they play.

Yeh, MacArthur and Western pump money into their teams, but for some reason haven’t picked up the fans. 

I think we’ve talked all this through before. And good on you guys to keep the pressure on. 

How do we go from that table to one where the Nix have numbers on the board? 

TBH, I’m really pissed off with Chief because his arrogance or whatever it was cost us the chance of following up on our progress, at least results wise, from his first year. We should have extended that team’s era and challenged at the least.

And I can’t understand how we didn’t win stuff with Roy, Burnsy, McG, Roly and co. 

Austin suggests a new DoF. 

There are a lot of things that happen that are beyond our control. To nullify those things, like CC or Newcastle, or especially Adelaide, we really need to get the community behind the team on and off the field.

Again another area where Chief’s most recent era has been a disaster. I loved to see the fans in Melbourne challenge players and get rewarded. But then the team bottled things in the home stretch and the MacArthur game…phhhh.

We need to recreate that first year feeling or recreate a local buzz. We can’t have the team circling wagons and their hardcore fans booing. A bit of PR couldn’t hurt. A statement signing on a poster pasted in the city.

It’s got to be good to overcome local issues with cash flow. Perhaps the central government is waiting for the bank of Rob to revitalise Welly. Who knows? You could move the team to Christchurch. That’d be one thing not tried in 18 years.

But it feels like an uptick for the league is on the way, perhaps Mata inspired. New broadcast deal. Good football being played. I’m always optimistic.

I’ve bitched a lot about the VAR this season and how they seemed to operate outside their remit to re-referee situations. And then they re-refereed a situation in our favor and the onfield ref decided to disagree, instead of being a push over. That doesn’t help. 

Long story short, we want to win the league every year. If we’re not, we’ve got to enjoy what we can, otherwise it’s not much fun turning up. 

I think the most frustrating thing is that it doesn’t feel far away. We beat Adelaide. We expected to get points off the Jets. We won in Melbourne…once, but it has to start somewhere. And yet not even a first round knockout this time.

You’ve diagnosed a problem. Give us your prescription. 


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about 8 hours ago
I hope we can debate this without the management bashers and Nix to I die crowd shouting at each other. We all want the same thing in the end
So heres my 20 cents worth.
Dome IMO is a competent manager. He seems to keep 8 squads and over 50 staff all working ok. He is also good organiser as anyone who went to the semi at Porirua will testify. Hes not too flash on comms or big picture stuff. I guess he has his hands full already.
What the club really needs IMO is a high quality football manager to drive the club to a new direction.
Check out the new FM the Roar appointed. James Gow. 13 years at Liverpool fc in elite football operations and youth development. FM in UAE and Denmark. UEFA pro licence and Masters degree in sporting directorship.
His job description is to establish a unified club identity with a destinctive style of play. Quoted he said he will focus on bringing clarity and alignment in how we play , how we recruit and how we develop players.
Sounds like something the Nix should aspire to.???????
Greenacres appointment is a good start but we tend to load too much on our coaches. Having a competent experiance Gow type person as FM would definitely be a major step in the right direction

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On a couple of points about Dome I would beg to differ but basically I agree completely with you.

One of the major issues is that the nix have their fingers in too many pies. 

Therefore some of those pies haven’t been cooked properly, some are missing key ingredients and some have exceeded their expiry date. 

The pie company to compound matters have branched off into loosely related side business (sausage rolls, quiches, donuts etc) but are not really good at any of them.

One or two on their product range will actually give you food poisoning.

 Now, Dome rightly or wrongly is the key baker for this pie company and the front man. When he fucks up a pie these days he try’s to justify it and not fix the problem.

In the old days he had a monopoly and only baked a couple of pies. He would never burn them and they would be delicious. A few customers still remember those pies and stand by the baker. Their loyalty whilst admirable may result in severe food poisoning and the loss of the bakery’s food hygiene rating.

A pie company up the road has came along and immediately got their recipe correct, temperature settings are perfect for their brand, the oven is nice and clean and they know not to complicate things too much. Pies are what they do.

The public love these pies and will travel a long way to get them. Being proactive they are even being delivered. They are getting great exposure in the media. Ovens are being cleaned daily.

The  baker in Wellington has thought fuck my monopoly is over but rather then adjusting he goes on the counterattack (criticising their new ovens, recipes and even posts the odd bad review on social media). 

He is so busy burning his sausage rolls in his dirty oven that he has no time to make great pies anymore.

Now, there are reasons why after 9 years, New Zelanders vote out a previous popular prime minister and even why a US president can only stand for two terms.

What I will say is that Dome has doubled those figures and sometimes change is good.

Everyone on here, knows someone who has been in a job too long (hell sometimes it has even been you)

Others have known and bitten off more than they can chew.



Auckland will rise once more

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about 3 hours ago
A US president can only stand 2 terms because that's all they're allowed to.

Terrible analogy BTW.

Valley FC til I die?

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about 3 hours ago
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
On a couple of points about Dome I would beg to differ but basically I agree completely with you.

One of the major issues is that the nix have their fingers in too many pies. 

Therefore some of those pies haven’t been cooked properly, some are missing key ingredients and some have exceeded their expiry date. 

The pie company to compound matters have branched off into loosely related side business (sausage rolls, quiches, donuts etc) but are not really good at any of them.

One or two on their product range will actually give you food poisoning.

Now, Dome rightly or wrongly is the key baker for this pie company and the front man. When he fucks up a pie these days he try’s to justify it and not fix the problem.

In the old days he had a monopoly and only baked a couple of pies. He would never burn them and they would be delicious. A few customers still remember those pies and stand by the baker. Their loyalty whilst admirable may result in severe food poisoning and the loss of the bakery’s food hygiene rating.

A pie company up the road has came along and immediately got their recipe correct, temperature settings are perfect for their brand, the oven is nice and clean and they know not to complicate things too much. Pies are what they do.

The public love these pies and will travel a long way to get them. Being proactive they are even being delivered. They are getting great exposure in the media. Ovens are being cleaned daily.

The  baker in Wellington has thought fuck my monopoly is over but rather then adjusting he goes on the counterattack (criticising their new ovens, recipes and even posts the odd bad review on social media). 

He is so busy burning his sausage rolls in his dirty oven that he has no time to make great pies anymore.

Now, there are reasons why after 9 years, New Zelanders vote out a previous popular prime minister and even why a US president can only stand for two terms.

What I will say is that Dome has doubled those figures and sometimes change is good.

Everyone on here, knows someone who has been in a job too long (hell sometimes it has even been you)

Others have known and bitten off more than they can chew.


 
In this very strained metaphor, what are the "too many pies"?
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Nelfoos wrote:
A US president can only stand 2 terms because that's all they're allowed to.

Terrible analogy BTW.
Ummm exactly, that’s what I said.

Ten years tops.

Auckland will rise once more

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AucklandPhoenix wrote:
 Nelfoos wrote:
A US president can only stand 2 terms because that's all they're allowed to.

Terrible analogy BTW.
Ummm exactly, that’s what I said.

Ten years tops.
My apologies, misread and assumed you were talking about the public limiting them like with NZs 3 year terms.

But the times they are a-changing, I dont think anyone will be too bullish on the current NZ govt surviving for that long and there's no guarantee the current POTUS decides the 2 term rule applies to him.

Either way at the risk of pushing this already rough metaphor too far, its really hard to make a pie of the same quality as the bloke spending twice as much as you on raw ingredients, even if the pie baking facility we have is world class and any comparison ignoring that might well be grinding an axe rather than making any sort of reasonable comparison.

Valley FC til I die?

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