I just hate having 5 players in the midfield. Its too congested and it looked like Greenacre needed someone elses helping him tonight.
Daniel and Ifill were outstanding tonight.
Too defensive from herbert at home. Should always have two up front at home
You're kidding, right? We were attacking and pressing probably the most i've ever seen. Not all of it came off, though. Siggy and Lochhead were always pushing forward when they could - even McKain and Durante got up there with runs at times.
How frustrating is it to be a Phoenix supporter?..
Exactly. You can play defensively and still have two up front, or you can play attacking with 1. We effectively had a four man front section with Daniel, Bertos and Ifill free to attack and switch up at will rather be in set positions, and it worked well, with Brown joining them in the box when on attack. Tactics seemed pretty good to me.
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That is our best starting line up then having chen, caceres and manny on the bench along with crowther? sounds good? yea think so.
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That is our best starting line up then having chen, caceres and manny on the bench along with crowther? sounds good? yea think so.
Definatly agree!
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DIEGO GO HOME.......
CACERES ANYONE TO REPLACE HIM ON THE BENCH NEXT WEEK...
CACERES ANYONE TO REPLACE HIM ON THE BENCH NEXT WEEK...
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Played some good attacking football but lacked finishing! Created some good chances - Ifill just keeps getting better and better !!!
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DIEGO GO HOME.......CACERES ANYONE TO REPLACE HIM ON THE BENCH NEXT WEEK...
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People saying we lined up defensively are idiots. Truly.
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
valeo2009-09-04 21:42:58
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
valeo2009-09-04 21:42:58
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So did Leo get a knock and get subbed off by Ricki as a precaution? It is the only explanation I can bear to consider.
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That is our best starting line up then having chen, caceres and manny on the bench along with crowther? sounds good? yea think so.
Definatly agree!
Hopefully Chen and Caceres will be good enough to start
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But well done to BIG D ( Daniel ).......
Great performance
Great performance
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Well, an on-field ref can overrule the linesmans offside flag if he believes that insufficient time for the players to act differently between the incident and the goal being scored. As I see it, there was insufficient time.
However the question is really whether Greenache was active to be involved with the play. And I have to confess, that he made a impeding contact with the defender who might have influenced the chances/odds on how Ifill may have scored or not scored. Technically, Greenache was involved and so technically he was offside . . . sadly.
TBH, the way that Ifill hit that shot, the defender would have not really made any insurmountable influence to it, and so on that regards, it seem harsh on a beautifully struck shot.
However the question is really whether Greenache was active to be involved with the play. And I have to confess, that he made a impeding contact with the defender who might have influenced the chances/odds on how Ifill may have scored or not scored. Technically, Greenache was involved and so technically he was offside . . . sadly.
TBH, the way that Ifill hit that shot, the defender would have not really made any insurmountable influence to it, and so on that regards, it seem harsh on a beautifully struck shot.
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But well done to BIG D ( Daniel ).......
Great performance
Great performance
I agree, thought Daniel played, thought it was his best game for ages
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Totally agree, pleased to see him start long may it last
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Thought Lochy looked good tonight..Started getting forward in the 2nd half like season 1
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Diego has now proved that he is on par with Mulligan. I hope you enjoy carrying the water for the rest of the season son.
That should have been 3+ 1. Caceras could prove useful, but Ricki should get Chen in there.
And FFS Ricki, grow some balls and play 4-3-3 away from home. Playing for the draw is not good enough. Same team, same game, just different cut of grass. We have shown the potential to attack, our finishing was poor. Daniel deserves to start again. Brown had his chances and was in on the action but will cop a lot of flack for not getting the ball in the net.
7500 crowd on a Fri night, what the hell is up with that!!! Loud as ever though listening on the telle
That should have been 3+ 1. Caceras could prove useful, but Ricki should get Chen in there.
And FFS Ricki, grow some balls and play 4-3-3 away from home. Playing for the draw is not good enough. Same team, same game, just different cut of grass. We have shown the potential to attack, our finishing was poor. Daniel deserves to start again. Brown had his chances and was in on the action but will cop a lot of flack for not getting the ball in the net.
7500 crowd on a Fri night, what the hell is up with that!!! Loud as ever though listening on the telle
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I feel embarrassed that no-one helped Ifill, he has to do frickin everything himself!!!!!! For mine, he will be our best ever signing without a doubt..pure quality
Daniel played well as long as no-one touched him, boy in the bubble
Leo had an off night but fair enough, hes been our best every other game.
I despair with Brown, love him getting in those goal scoring positions but his touch is soooo poor that it's hard to believe he is a professional footballer at times, good hustle though.
Pretty sound at the back although we were hardly put under any pressure
Overall, you have to think we had everything stacked in our favour tonight and these are the games in which playoff contenders do the business, Adelaide are woeful at the moment and should have been put to the sword!
Ricki - when things are not working, please make changes before the 81st minute and give your subs a decent chance to do something ffs
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People saying we lined up defensively are idiots. Truly.
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
Its ok saying Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up in the 2nd half, but they have to get involved if their up there. Playing at home the full backs become wingers to add to the attacking play, while Lochhead added something i dont think Sigmund did.
As for Brown he did ok marking Owusu but he was so deep why couldnt one of the centre halves just have picked Owusu up??
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Yep well done daniel
And Ifill was great, again.
Was a good showing all round from our front line i must say. Well apart from when diego came on that is 
what an absolute joke. wonder if we'll do the polite thing and give him the leilei treatment..?
what an absolute joke. wonder if we'll do the polite thing and give him the leilei treatment..?
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Thought Lochy looked good tonight..Started getting forward in the 2nd half like season 1
Yes, his best game of the season. He seems to be improving steadily in the last few games.
Daniel's influence faded towards the end but he was still very very good tonight. Great to see him do the old gee up of YF too.
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But well done to BIG D ( Daniel ).......
Great performance
Great performance
Agreed. A few misplaced passes but you expect that from 'flair' players. Thought he worked very hard to track back - especially in the first half.
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I just hate having 5 players in the midfield. Its too congested and it looked like Greenacre needed someone elses helping him tonight.
Daniel and Ifill were outstanding tonight.
Greenache was laying off plenty of balls. We had plenty of attackers (because of the players moving from one side to the other side through the midfield) coming from the lateral midfield crossing balls over to the box and in most occasions there were two or more players in the box looking to finish. You think it was congested but we had plenty of turnover balls and we had launched majority of our attacks from the midfield because there was plenty of players covering a larger area.
The only reason that Greenache looked as he needed help was the fact that he has been fouled plenty because the Adelaide player thought he was small enough to push him over. However he held the ball well and played a great targetman game.
My MoM is definitely Ifill with Daniel having an excellent first full game back. Everyone played well, the ref was keeping it flowing but I have felt that he was light on a couple of things. I expected a second yellow card on that Adelaide defender and Brown was a tad lucky not to pick a second as well.
BTW. it was hard for any one sub to make much of a difference because it was very open and the tempo is tricky jump into.
So it's a bit harsh to comment on Deigo's 10 minute other than the one terrible cross to empty field in which I suspect was suppose to be the usual midfield pick up but every one was pushed way up the field including the expected midfielders he wanted behind the forwards. It helps in a game and we have to move on.
I say keep him about and see how he goes by the half season stage. But I have to admit the bench is stacked with plenty of varied players with starting lineup material.AllWhitebelievr2009-09-04 22:09:59
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I just hate having 5 players in the midfield. Its too congested and it looked like Greenacre needed someone elses helping him tonight.
Daniel and Ifill were outstanding tonight.
Greenache was laying off plenty of balls. We had plenty of attackers (because of the players moving from one side to the other side through the midfield) coming from the lateral midfield crossing balls over to the box and in most occasions there were two or more players in the box looking to finish. You think it was congested but we had plenty of turnover balls and we had launched majority of our attacks from the midfield because there was plenty of players covering a larger area.
The only reason that Greenache looked as he needed help was the fact that he has been fouled plenty because the Adelaide player thought he was small enough to push him over. However he held the ball well and played a great targetman game.
My MoM is definitely Ifill with Daniel having an excellent first full game back. Everyone played well, the ref was keeping it flowing but I have felt that he was light on a couple of things. I expected a second yellow card on that Adelaide defender and Brown was a tad lucky not to pick a second as well.
you're taking the piss right ?
you have to be.
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Just home and I have two things.
I've witnessed one of the most appalling linesman decisions ever - and it wasn't a one off. He had absolutely no idea all night, couldn't even call most throw ins. Even needed his guide dog to help him at half time.
We had two shots on goal the entire night and scored two. We had one sail over from 6 yards but still only two on target in 90 minutes. If we couldn't win tonight then..........f**king linesman, git
Royal2009-09-04 22:04:51
I've witnessed one of the most appalling linesman decisions ever - and it wasn't a one off. He had absolutely no idea all night, couldn't even call most throw ins. Even needed his guide dog to help him at half time.
We had two shots on goal the entire night and scored two. We had one sail over from 6 yards but still only two on target in 90 minutes. If we couldn't win tonight then..........f**king linesman, git
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People saying we lined up defensively are idiots. Truly.
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
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You expect Siggy to attack like Maicon when he usually plays CB?
Greenache was laying off plenty of balls. We had plenty of attackers (because of the players moving from one side to the other side through the midfield) coming from the lateral midfield crossing balls over to the box and in most occasions there were two or more players in the box looking to finish. You think it was congested but we had plenty of turnover balls and we had launched majority of our attacks from the midfield because there was plenty of players covering a larger area.
The only reason that Greenache looked as he needed help was the fact that he has been fouled plenty because the Adelaide player thought he was small enough to push him over. However he held the ball well and played a great targetman game.
My MoM is definitely Ifill with Daniel having an excellent first full game back. Everyone played well, the ref was keeping it flowing but I have felt that he was light on a couple of things. I expected a second yellow card on that Adelaide defender and Brown was a tad lucky not to pick a second as well.
I also saw that we often had 2 players at the back in that 2nd half - Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up high and so did Hearfield when he came on.
I thought that Brown was absolutely brilliant defensively. How many times did he stop Owusu in the iar? Considering the height and size difference that is no mean feat. Unfortunately his performance was marred by him missing an easy chance and then missing another one.
Thought that the Diego signing was a mistake and still do. Was horrible coming off the bench. Caceres, Jiangchen or Costa to replace him next week. Unfortunately if this happens he will probably be a write off for the season - he doesn't seem the type of player who handles being left out of the team very well at all.
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Its ok saying Sigmund and Lochhead pushed up in the 2nd half, but they have to get involved if their up there. Playing at home the full backs become wingers to add to the attacking play, while Lochhead added something i dont think Sigmund did.
As for Brown he did ok marking Owusu but he was so deep why couldnt one of the centre halves just have picked Owusu up??
[/QUOTE]You expect Siggy to attack like Maicon when he usually plays CB?
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Daniel and Ifill were outstanding tonight.
I just hate having 5 players in the midfield. Its too congested and it looked like Greenacre needed someone elses helping him tonight.
Daniel and Ifill were outstanding tonight.
Greenache was laying off plenty of balls. We had plenty of attackers (because of the players moving from one side to the other side through the midfield) coming from the lateral midfield crossing balls over to the box and in most occasions there were two or more players in the box looking to finish. You think it was congested but we had plenty of turnover balls and we had launched majority of our attacks from the midfield because there was plenty of players covering a larger area.
The only reason that Greenache looked as he needed help was the fact that he has been fouled plenty because the Adelaide player thought he was small enough to push him over. However he held the ball well and played a great targetman game.
My MoM is definitely Ifill with Daniel having an excellent first full game back. Everyone played well, the ref was keeping it flowing but I have felt that he was light on a couple of things. I expected a second yellow card on that Adelaide defender and Brown was a tad lucky not to pick a second as well.
you're taking the piss right ?
you have to be.
What? the ref let a hell of a lot of things go - in any other game there would have been at least 2 send offs.
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BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
ask Ricki - then again, HE might not know.
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
Because Mulligan is useless
Normo's coming home
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
He's a decent defensive full back - you don't need to have both full backs going forward all the time to be effective. Thought that Lochy linked up with Daniel well on several occasions. The only other options were Lia and Mulligan.
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
He's a decent defensive full back - you don't need to have both full backs going forward all the time to be effective. Thought that Lochy linked up with Daniel well on several occasions. The only other options were Lia and Mulligan.
To win games at home you need BOTH full backs to be as attcking as possible, especially as Brown is playing pretty much as sweeper. Pick the best 2 attacking options at home and play the 2 more defensively solid players away were you need to keep it tight.
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
Because he can and there is noone else since, Durante understands McKain in the CB and Vince Lia is ready for solid midfield action. Why do you want Mulligan at full back? Because Siggy is much better than Mulligan there. Also Siggy may be there for the AWs so it's good to see him have a run there. He only has to work on some more extensive sprints and it seems he has a reasonable right foot cross which he could develop. As long as he does not drifted to the centre on occasions, he keep their left wing ineffective.AllWhitebelievr2009-09-04 22:18:56
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If Sigmund is a center half then why play him at full back??
He's a decent defensive full back - you don't need to have both full backs going forward all the time to be effective. Thought that Lochy linked up with Daniel well on several occasions. The only other options were Lia and Mulligan.
To win games at home you need BOTH full backs to be as attcking as possible, especially as Brown is playing pretty much as sweeper. Pick the best 2 attacking options at home and play the 2 more defensively solid players away were you need to keep it tight.
Wellington 2 Perth 1.....
Tactics were spot on imo except for the Diego sub which was crazy. How is it Ricki's fault if we miss about 6 chances?
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Great game by most plyers. I think the main difference was that we played postive footbsall right from the start which was a long way from the negative performance of last week.
Daniel was awesome. Ifill was fied up and playing well.
Quite a quiet game by bertos but he still played well.
Greenacre was the worst for me up the front.
Should have been 4-2 if Tim Brown could shoot, and the linesman wasn't a c0ck
Daniel was awesome. Ifill was fied up and playing well.
Quite a quiet game by bertos but he still played well.
Greenacre was the worst for me up the front.
Should have been 4-2 if Tim Brown could shoot, and the linesman wasn't a c0ck
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i'm lockhead's biggest critic but he actually played some balls across the ground to feet tonight, best ive seen him play in ages. ifill was awesome, really awesome. daniel was pretty good but his final balls kinda let him down a bit. man, should have won tonight. kinda frustrating.
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just got home
havent read any other comments on here, but after watching the boys tonight my best three players would be;
1: Ifil
2: Daniel
3: Greenacre
Honourable mentions to Brown, Durante, McKain and Lochead.
Was avery good performance tonight and deserved the three points. Terribly unlucky not to get the win, we should never have conceded that goal. Watching it live, thought paston shoulda come out and grabbed it... and we shoulda nailed at least one further goal. Offside call for ifil's second was a good call though - greenacre was well offside and looked like he was playing at the ball.
Unlucky, but well played boys. This team is very promising. Ifil is class, all round. He'll be our player of the season, mark my words.
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what is up with subbing bertos at that time in the match?!@!@?!@?!@ i do not get that sub one bit.
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for those who mock greenacre... watch him live off the ball for just 5 minutes and you'll see why he's so good. Hardest worker in our team by a mile. Can't ask for anything more from the lad.
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This might sound a little odd but I think Hearfiled would make a good wing back. In the same mould as Jamieson and the lad from Sydney (right wing back). Reason I say that is beacuse he has got good pace and seems to play better when the goal is in front on him rather than the playing upfront and facing backwards/having to hold the ball up etc..
I think it is an option Ricki should look at and has tried before
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