WPM R1 vs Western United | Sun 20th Oct | 4:00pm | RoF / Sky Sport 3 | March 3pm

theaucklandphoenixfan

Good time in the fever yesterday.
However, I wish everyone would loosen up on the chants more, its just for a laugh. Fever getting a bit too pc all of a sudden

Any specific examples?

I was less concerned about Oluwayemi's ball playing, it looked adequate, but way more concerned that he looked rooted to the spot for any crosses, corners etc and then slow to come out and gather balls in his penalty area.
Maybe early days but usually keepers have that in their lockers or they don't.

Very late to this but my god Rufer is an absolute gem

Fenix

I enjoyed the game. There was some great football played, but ultimately we didnt create much and werent positive enough to win it, or even deserve to win it.

Wooton was great, Barbarouses was great, Payne put in a good shift. Rufer was immense.
I dont think Ball was the sub we needed if we wanted to win, unsure why Van Hattum didnt come on.

*Wootton. Just a warning this time.

mrsmiis

Very late to this but my god Rufer is an absolute gem

Looking back to when he first came on the scene, it's insane how much he's progressed. Clear and away our most important player and still underrated by people. The way he jinks out of tackles in midfield and releases is incredible at times.

Dougie Rydal

I was less concerned about Oluwayemi's ball playing, it looked adequate, but way more concerned that he looked rooted to the spot for any crosses, corners etc and then slow to come out and gather balls in his penalty area.
Maybe early days but usually keepers have that in their lockers or they don't.

Yep, completely agree. He came for one punch, barely got to it, then stayed stuck on his line the rest of the game. Against better teams, that will be exploited. He had a young defence in front of him and didn't take control. 

I think Paulsen's influence last season is still sort've underrated - without him, we were probably scraping top 4.

In Chief and Gill I trust. They knew that replacing Paulsen was their most important signing of the pre season. There is a risk with any visa signing, but have faith they have done their DD on Oluwayemi.

Gotta give the keeper time, new league, different style of play. Like most of the imports he'll take a couple of games to settle into his job. He looked ok - certainly better than some of the keepers in the league.

My own viewing of the game was that it was good "in parts".   While Oluwayemi did look tentative, at best, I am sure this will get sorted with time.  I do not blame him for the goal WU scored.
I think young Walker has good potential.  There was something about him that made me think "Old Jr."
We are historically poor at playing into high press and only managed to cope with that late in the season with our experienced team ticking over like a clockwork (our win over Sydney FC best example).  Aloisi took a punt we had a patchy team prep it seems to have paid off. 
I thought yesterday we were missing what Kraev and Pennington could do for us; it will take a while for the team to gel around the new players.

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

valeo

Dougie Rydal

I was less concerned about Oluwayemi's ball playing, it looked adequate, but way more concerned that he looked rooted to the spot for any crosses, corners etc and then slow to come out and gather balls in his penalty area.
Maybe early days but usually keepers have that in their lockers or they don't.

Yep, completely agree. He came for one punch, barely got to it, then stayed stuck on his line the rest of the game. Against better teams, that will be exploited. He had a young defence in front of him and didn't take control. 

I think Paulsen's influence last season is still sort've underrated - without him, we were probably scraping top 4.

Based on how many shots we conceded last season he was absolutely our most important player. You're right, we would not have been near where we were without him.

theprof

Gotta give the keeper time, new league, different style of play. Like most of the imports he'll take a couple of games to settle into his job. He looked ok - certainly better than some of the keepers in the league.

 Really? Better than some of the other keepers? I thought he looked terrible. I hope he proves me wrong, but he's giving me 'Dracula' vibes, you know - scared of crosses...

ballane

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

Agree we need to give him time, and also remember we came unstuck with Paulsen some times playing out. 

But also Paulsen looks composed because he’s been playing out from the back his whole life. I saw some footage of him as a junior player and he was much the same. 

We’ve got a young keeping group this time- no Duncan, so the keeping coach needs to manage them well. 

If the kids got nerves good chants will let him know he’s wanted.

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

ballane

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

I might be remembering a bit too fondly of AP, but I thought his shot stopping and confidence in coming for the ball was there from Day 1. 

And yes he'd had the advantage of being in the Nix system on the bench for a while first. 

Like I said earlier I'm not concerned about his feet and playing out from the back, I'm more concerned about his ability to be dominant in the box and command his area. And also as I said, I 100% hope I'm wrong in my hot take after one game.

Dougie Rydal

ballane

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

I might be remembering a bit too fondly of AP, but I thought his shot stopping and confidence in coming for the ball was there from Day 1. 

And yes he'd had the advantage of being in the Nix system on the bench for a while first. 

Like I said earlier I'm not concerned about his feet and playing out from the back, I'm more concerned about his ability to be dominant in the box and command his area. And also as I said, I 100% hope I'm wrong in my hot take after one game.

Commanding the area comes with confidence and knowledge of your defence. AP had from coming through the system, he knew the defenders, he knew the plan inside out. Josh has been her for a couple of months and is knew to all of his defensive unit. He'll have gained confidence with this game, give him a couple more and he'll be commanding the area and his backline like he should be.

theprof

Dougie Rydal

ballane

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

I might be remembering a bit too fondly of AP, but I thought his shot stopping and confidence in coming for the ball was there from Day 1. 

And yes he'd had the advantage of being in the Nix system on the bench for a while first. 

Like I said earlier I'm not concerned about his feet and playing out from the back, I'm more concerned about his ability to be dominant in the box and command his area. And also as I said, I 100% hope I'm wrong in my hot take after one game.

Commanding the area comes with confidence and knowledge of your defence. AP had from coming through the system, he knew the defenders, he knew the plan inside out. Josh has been her for a couple of months and is knew to all of his defensive unit. He'll have gained confidence with this game, give him a couple more and he'll be commanding the area and his backline like he should be.

I don't think knowledge of the system has anything to do with goalkeeping basics like commanding your area though, which is why it is a worry. I can forgive any issues playing out from the back with a young defence and a lack of prep time.

valeo

theprof

Dougie Rydal

ballane

The way people carry on you would think Paulson was the finished article from game one. He wasnt and a lot of people seem to be forgetting that, distinctly remember across various forms of social media many saying it was but a matter of time before it went pear shaped at the back. They have had little time to work on their understanding for any number of reasons. Think people need to be fair to Josh and allow him a little time.

I might be remembering a bit too fondly of AP, but I thought his shot stopping and confidence in coming for the ball was there from Day 1. 

And yes he'd had the advantage of being in the Nix system on the bench for a while first. 

Like I said earlier I'm not concerned about his feet and playing out from the back, I'm more concerned about his ability to be dominant in the box and command his area. And also as I said, I 100% hope I'm wrong in my hot take after one game.

Commanding the area comes with confidence and knowledge of your defence. AP had from coming through the system, he knew the defenders, he knew the plan inside out. Josh has been her for a couple of months and is knew to all of his defensive unit. He'll have gained confidence with this game, give him a couple more and he'll be commanding the area and his backline like he should be.

I don't think knowledge of the system has anything to do with goalkeeping basics like commanding your area though, which is why it is a worry. I can forgive any issues playing out from the back with a young defence and a lack of prep time.

Disagree, communication with your centre backs is crucial when it comes to commanding the box and claiming balls.

Shot stopping is probably the only thing that doesn’t hinge on your partnership with the defence, and Josh had barely any saves to make.

newzealandpower

ClubOranje

newzealandpower

Haven't had a chance to read the thread today. Can someone tell me why VAR reviewed our goal but not when the GK cluttered into Barba?? There was also an incident on Walker (LB) I think, which I wouldn't have given but have seen given plenty of times. Disappointing as we were by far the best team today. We are playing quite predictable football, and with Barba alone up top we lack options, but hopefully Rojas and Retre come back soon and the new guys start to gel.
Was impressed by Ishige, not so much by the new GK. Glued to his line, slow to come out and whilst he made a good save (off his own clearance, I thought he could have done much better on the goal)

VAR reviewed our goal because they are required to review all goals. 
They also reviewed their goal. 
They also reviewed Kosta and Keeper clash, and Walker going down in the box and some other things.
That’s what they do.

Did they though? When I say review I mean stop the game and see if there was anything untoward, and I don't recall that happening when Kosta was clattered into by the keeper in the box 

Everyone in on the planet: “VAR needs to be faster, if it’s not an obvious mistake, then move on”

Newzealandpower: “VAR needs to stop the game for ever little incident and have a full inquest, even if they see in the first few seconds there is no clear and obvious mistake”

The VAR team don’t need to stop the game all the time. They can look at the incident while Kosta and Keeper get back to their feet and the referee makes sure they are not injured. 
But I’ll be sure to let the VAR team know you’d like to be notified of everything they look at in the future.

ballane

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

He may not be in our team anymore, but spelling it wrong 3 times in the space of 24hrs has to be a foul.
*Paulsen.

Knowing your defence helps a keeper know when to come and when not to... fully agree.
But... then it would be fair to assume that he would potentially come out and try to dominate his space when he didn't need to, for the same reason, at others times he may not.
The fact he didn't dominate his 6 year box at all (except 1 weak punch) does give me cause for concern.
I'd rather see a keeper try to dominate the space and not quite get there, than see one stuck to his line afraid to get off it.

MetalLegNZ

Knowing your defence helps a keeper know when to come and when not to... fully agree.
But... then it would be fair to assume that he would potentially come out and try to dominate his space when he didn't need to, for the same reason, at others times he may not.
The fact he didn't dominate his 6 year box at all (except 1 weak punch) does give me cause for concern.
I'd rather see a keeper try to dominate the space and not quite get there, than see one stuck to his line afraid to get off it.

Exactly, put it far better than I could. It gave Tony Warner, not Kurto or Paulsen.

The Spelling Referee

ballane

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

He may not be in our team anymore, but spelling it wrong 3 times in the space of 24hrs has to be a foul.
*Paulsen.

As stated before spelling has never been a thing on YF before auto correct even takes part. So Paulson Paulsen who cares everyone knows who im talking about.

ballane

The Spelling Referee

ballane

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

He may not be in our team anymore, but spelling it wrong 3 times in the space of 24hrs has to be a foul.
*Paulsen.

As stated before spelling has never been a thing on YF before auto correct even takes part. So Paulson Paulsen who cares everyone knows who im talking about.

I'm happy to see that at least 10 posters do care. Alex's mama & papa probaly care. Personally (and I wouldn't be the only one), once I see such an easy name misspelt, I just switch off from whatever is written afterwards. You maybe the wisest football sage around but I see Paulson or Would, and it's Margaret Thatcher (alive) naked. A horrid vision you can't get past.

I mean the guy was agruably the best player in the ALM last season his simple 7 letter name was everywhere. Still is. Oluwayemi (Olu) now that's a different story

Some people are dyslexic or are just bad with names, it's not a big deal.

ballane

The Spelling Referee

ballane

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

He may not be in our team anymore, but spelling it wrong 3 times in the space of 24hrs has to be a foul.
*Paulsen.

As stated before spelling has never been a thing on YF before auto correct even takes part. So Paulson Paulsen who cares everyone knows who im talking about.

Yes we all know who you are talking about. But spelling the player names correctly is actually not the point here. The point is the sheer fun of seeing a spelling referee in action.  It may not be funny to everyone but it seems that quite of few of us enjoy having it here.  

I do enjoy the spelling refere

My thought on our new Keeper was that he was about 3-4 inches on the short side. Hence he flapped at one cross and barely got to it. But the rest of his game is good enough. Perhaps not the playing out in front on the 2 oncoming forwards but that will come with time and experience.

LG

My thought on our new Keeper was that he was about 3-4 inches on the short side. Hence he flapped at one cross and barely got to it. But the rest of his game is good enough. Perhaps not the playing out in front on the 2 oncoming forwards but that will come with time and experience.

Yep my instant thought when we signed him was that he was a bit short.

Interestingly, one of the build-up pundits mentioned that he broke a team record for jumping height (or something along those lines) in the preseason. Wheeling that out in the right moments should help matters.

Probably a big part of the reason he is with us instead of the Prem with Spurs.

valeo

LG

My thought on our new Keeper was that he was about 3-4 inches on the short side. Hence he flapped at one cross and barely got to it. But the rest of his game is good enough. Perhaps not the playing out in front on the 2 oncoming forwards but that will come with time and experience.

Yep my instant thought when we signed him was that he was a bit short.

Napier Phoenix

Probably a big part of the reason he is with us instead of the Prem with Spurs.

valeo

LG

My thought on our new Keeper was that he was about 3-4 inches on the short side. Hence he flapped at one cross and barely got to it. But the rest of his game is good enough. Perhaps not the playing out in front on the 2 oncoming forwards but that will come with time and experience.

Yep my instant thought when we signed him was that he was a bit short.

He may also be a confidence player. He might need a bit of time to settle in the league and the stadium. Remember how the wind is in Welly. 

Who knows. But he didn’t make any huge errors and hopefully he’ll be more confident dominating his area when he settles. 

His save to prevent an own goal after he cleared the ball into Wooten was pretty impressive.

Josh Oluwayemi is taller than Paulsen lol

martinb

Napier Phoenix

Probably a big part of the reason he is with us instead of the Prem with Spurs.

valeo

LG

My thought on our new Keeper was that he was about 3-4 inches on the short side. Hence he flapped at one cross and barely got to it. But the rest of his game is good enough. Perhaps not the playing out in front on the 2 oncoming forwards but that will come with time and experience.

Yep my instant thought when we signed him was that he was a bit short.

He may also be a confidence player. He might need a bit of time to settle in the league and the stadium. Remember how the wind is in Welly. 

Who knows. But he didn’t make any huge errors and hopefully he’ll be more confident dominating his area when he settles. 

Yep, he needs time for us to make a proper judgment. I well remember the outpouring of dismay after Uli's less than memorable first game in a Nix shirt.

ballane

The Spelling Referee

ballane

Also what people forget is that Paulson had worked with most of last years defensive group for sometime. Josh hasnt had that so its going to take time.
Will be interesting to see how Paulson goes working with a new group.

He may not be in our team anymore, but spelling it wrong 3 times in the space of 24hrs has to be a foul.
*Paulsen.

As stated before spelling has never been a thing on YF before auto correct even takes part. So Paulson Paulsen who cares everyone knows who im talking about.

I know you're upset at me, so I'll choose to turn my back on the talk back. 

Last warning before I reach into one of my pockets.

Friar Tuck

Idk why people are slagging Oluwayemi off tbh, show me where he messed up the short passing. How many shots did we concede from a poor short pass?

He looks solid and able to play Chief’s game.

Showed agility and quick reflexes saving that rebound off Wootton, but reluctant to come off his line and didn't command the goal area. 

Ryan

His save to prevent an own goal after he cleared the ball into Wooten was pretty impressive.

 *Wonton.

JFK - sorry about the JFK spelling, but you know what I mean.

Oluwayemi is taller than Paulsen and the only reason we have him here, out of a Premier League academy, is because he was not getting any game time.   

He's young, still.  He's on the other side of the world.  His cultural fit here vs in England is likely different enough that he's noticed those differences, so he'll be adjusting to that too.  He hasn't had any serious playing time recently, for a while.  He was injured in the pre-season and hardly played for the team and has hardly met his defense.  Which defense was somewhat disrupted pre-game.  He's out there in his first game with that sort of pressure and difficult lead in.   For a team giving him an opportunity and playing time, he really doesn't want to mess up.  If he was nervy and somewhat tentative, I can understand.  I'd give him a chance to find his feet.   

I think I've got all those circumstances right?  And happy to be corrected.  But JFK, give the guy half a break before we rip him to bits haha.  Maybe that's too harsh a way to put it, but I think we can expect him to improve with a bit more time with the team and playing time, and that tentativeness - which I think was a legitimate observation - may just disappear.  Hopefully he turns into a cracker.

The Spelling Referee

Ryan

His save to prevent an own goal after he cleared the ball into Wooten was pretty impressive.

 *Wonton.

Uno-reverse, that's a yellow for you Spelling Referee