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Yellow Fury vs NQ Fury (Match Fred)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
OK. Kids are off to bed, I've had a few hours to reflect on the game, had dinner and a nice hot cocoa, feeling calm now.

F#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, F#CK!

That's all I want to say.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Lonegunmen wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
mjp2 wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
 
Lonegunmen wrote:
We tried long ball in season 2 and in season 1 at various stages. it did not work. n season 1 the shortball game worked despite the results, we nearly did a lot better. Last season when we did the short passing game, we just missed out on the playoffs. This season I believe we have better players and patience is required, keep up the the short passing and the quick counter attacks and we will really turn some teams over.
 
Yup, we just need to keep it up for 90 mins, second half today that game went out the window for whatever reasons

Hallelujah agree with all that.  Style of game is fine and entertaining, but every b***dy game we go off the boil in the second half and let sides back in.  Don't know why - don't handle the aussies getting tight on us?  get a bit up ourselves after a good half?  Dunno, but it's a frustrating.  Along with not nailing a second goal for that comfort buffer and (hopefully a thing of the past) giving up the early goal so we are playing catch up.  progress eh - a different problem now.
 
The headlines will now be "Ricki can't keep it up for 90 minutes"
 
Well, buy him a viagra!
 
Should maybe have been our shirt sponsor instead of Sony...the opposition would know they were in for a hard game...
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Boro4eva wrote:
I will concede that mentioning targetman evokes images of long balls to some people..not me. I didnt say use longballs to a targetman.  Observing say Astrauskas pre season  it showed that a player can be played up to and then others run off.  Costa did that well..got possesion on the halfway, ran, passed and got the return..albeit tried to beat too many players sometimes.  In the EPL they dont always use long balls to  dedicated tall or large frame strikers..eg Crouch...but they do get it and hold it up.
 
What frustrates me the most is the passing it all the way to the last 5th of the field..without enough variation..be it long or thru.  Siggy played one great thru ball..thats about I can recall of substance.
 
Our play is predictable and therefore defendable against.
 
No, we need to play the short passing game but at greater pace, we need to pass and move and not give the opposition a chance to close us down.  Sometimes we should vary it, but we shouldn't be giving up the passing football that we are setting out to do.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The way it was going in the second half, it almost resembled pinball. Especially on their attacks.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
OK. Kids are off to bed, I've had a few hours to reflect on the game, had dinner and a nice hot cocoa, feeling calm now.

F#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, F#CK!

That's all I want to say.


That's summed it up very succinctly Junior82 - perfect!  Also I've just realised that's the first time I've laughed since the awful moment when "that" goal went in!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
good bye 3 more points. good by top 6.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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watched the first half but missed the second half which sounds like a good thing....regards mr news comments re luck i think it is only a matter of time before the half chances are converted more readily and it is highly likely that we will have a serious victory...seems to me to be inevitable...in that regard would it be possible for someone to introduce daniel to his right foot...seems to me the man has no idea what is attached to the end of his right leg...having said that i am enjoying the effort and energy being shown this season...seems a marked improvement on previous seasons

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
if we don't win next week - we can kiss the finals good bye.
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whooooooo wrote:
if we don't win next week - we can kiss the finals good bye.
 
Ah but it's still 'early days' and the signs are good...pretty confident than come round 23 we'll finally get the win we deserve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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We could lose the next three games and still make the top 6 comfortably. Even the top 4. Currently only 3 points off fourth place (or something like that). Long way to go.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Should have won.
I said to myself after the third Sub, this is a big mistake. Unless it was injuries then Riki blew it again by making bad decisions.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
update : FT Perth 4-2 Bris.......
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Leggy wrote:
Should have won.
I said to myself after the third Sub, this is a big mistake. Unless it was injuries then Riki blew it again by making bad decisions.


tbh, i don't know why the f**k Ricki put Hearfield at right back in stead of Lia when Muscat came off.
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the thing is - it's the supporters that gets hurt the most. The players know there will be a big paycheck waiting for them next week, so it softens the blow.

did you know Durante earns a reported $240k a year ?
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Dont care how you want to put a spin on it,that was sh*t.Around us the further we got into the 2nd half many seemed to be getting nervous.Forget the unbeaten run at home as its no use at all if some them arnt wins.Yet again we gift a point to lesser opposition.Not sure i have left after a game feeling as gutted as today.Its about time our guys realised Greenacre isnt 6ft6.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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whooooooo wrote:
the thing is - it's the supporters that gets hurt the most. The players know there will be a big paycheck waiting for them next week, so it softens the blow.

did you know Durante earns a reported $240k a year ?


That could quite possibly be the dumbest comment I've seen on here amongst several pages of utter crap.
Quite frankly if you were put in a room with the players it would not be pretty
I'd imagine with your intelligence that you earn $24k
Royal2009-09-20 21:06:41
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how much do you wanna bet it will be all smiles at training tomorrow ???????
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Leggy wrote:
Should have won.
I said to myself after the third Sub, this is a big mistake. Unless it was injuries then Riki blew it again by making bad decisions.
 
Caceres for Daniel was the only non-injury related sub. Muscat and Ifill had to come off.
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whooooooo wrote:
how much do you wanna bet it will be all smiles at training tomorrow ???????
 
Probably out on the piss right now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Royal wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
the thing is - it's the supporters that gets hurt the most. The players know there will be a big paycheck waiting for them next week, so it softens the blow.

did you know Durante earns a reported $240k a year ?


That could quite possibly be the dumbest comment I've seen on here amongst several pages of utter crap.
Quite frankly if you were put in a room with the players it would not be pretty
I'd imagine with your intelligence that you earn $24k
 
Care to elaborate on why you think this thread is several pages of utter crap?
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Steve-O wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
how much do you wanna bet it will be all smiles at training tomorrow ???????
 
Probably out on the piss right now...


yep.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We put in a lot of good crosses in that game. We have been generally better this season at crossing. Ifill sure helps with this part of the game. Bertos has been putting dangerous balls also, though every game he does have one that he completely mish*ts.
 
I thought Greenacre looked a bit hesitant at times when he got the ball just outside the box. He did take one decent shot though. Did really well in this game to win the ball off their defence.
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Royal wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
the thing is - it's the supporters that gets hurt the most. The players know there will be a big paycheck waiting for them next week, so it softens the blow.

did you know Durante earns a reported $240k a year ?


That could quite possibly be the dumbest comment I've seen on here amongst several pages of utter crap.
Quite frankly if you were put in a room with the players it would not be pretty
I'd imagine with your intelligence that you earn $24k

Agreed. Numpty comment. Chin up lads and ladies. It is coming - just have confidence. But I do get a squeaky bum every time we are faced with a free kick or corner as our defending from set pieces fails to inspire a huge amount of confidence.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i can hear Herbert laughing while buying the round as we speak.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Colvinator wrote:
We put in a lot of good crosses in that game. We have been generally better this season at crossing. Ifill sure helps with this part of the game. Bertos has been putting dangerous balls also, though every game he does have one that he completely mish*ts.
 
I thought Greenacre looked a bit hesitant at times when he got the ball just outside the box. He did take one decent shot though. Did really well in this game to win the ball off their defence.
 
I thought there were a lot of poor crosses today actually, not beating the first defender. A few dodgy corners from Bertos too.
 
I would say it was about 50/50 on the crosses today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
paulm wrote:
steve o your attitude to everything matches your avatar brilliantly

Have you tried committing suicide before? if yes, try again. if no, try.


Mate, I know you're not serious but still. Steve-O annoys me just as much as the next man but I've lost two friends to depression and I'm sure many other people in this country wouldn't enjoy seeing someone suggest to another human that they should take their own life. In short, pull your head in.
I think that sort of thing is far more ban stick worthy than sack Rikki and dump Paston.


On a lighter note I have the solution, I have been to one game this season and that was the win over Perth.
The last three games I attended were:
That 2-1 with that Bertos goal
The 3-0 win over the jets when Leo scored from a little closer
The 2-1 win against the tards when Judas got that goal, we saw Fred after we asked where our Fred was at (those two chants alone are reason to bring him back)


I was also along for the Beckham weekend double header but I am going to ignore those games because one was an exhibition match and the other does not support my point.

Thanks to airline pricewars I am already booked in for the following games:
Oct 25 VS Judas and the gang     
Nov 4 VS Jets
Nov 8 VS Glolry
Dec 4 VS Tards

If anyone is interested I will set up a fund to help get me to more games, all contributions welcome.
I'm sure Tony P stays well away from the match threads but if you are reading this Tony, let's talk flights :)
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whooooooo wrote:
how much do you wanna bet it will be all smiles at training tomorrow ???????
 
Hopefully. Don't think it'd be good for them to be crying about it for the rest of the week. They need to keep working hard and don't let their heads go down.
 
I haven't seen the replay of the 94th minute free-kick. Was it legitimate?
 
How did they get away with elbowing our players in the head for the first 10 minutes!
 
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Steve-O wrote:
Colvinator wrote:
We put in a lot of good crosses in that game. We have been generally better this season at crossing. Ifill sure helps with this part of the game. Bertos has been putting dangerous balls also, though every game he does have one that he completely mish*ts.
 
I thought Greenacre looked a bit hesitant at times when he got the ball just outside the box. He did take one decent shot though. Did really well in this game to win the ball off their defence.
 
I thought there were a lot of poor crosses today actually, not beating the first defender. A few dodgy corners from Bertos too.
 
I would say it was about 50/50 on the crosses today.


i second that.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
whooooooo wrote:
i can hear Herbert laughing while buying the round as we speak.


Of all the things you can say about Herbert you cannot question his passion for the team. I'm sure he will be genuinely Gutted that the Nix drew!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeh - surprised Lia didn't go to RB.  Brown to DM.  Caceres on to play CM.

Those saying top six is gone.  No way.  20 games to go and there is not a side we've played that we couldn't beat.  just a wee bit more finish and a wee bit more 90mins

and the day it falls for us we are going to score 4


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whooooooo wrote:
i can hear Herbert laughing while buying the round as we speak.
 
Yeah but he's only buying the 1 up front...
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I'm finding it hard to remain positive but at least the phoenix are closer to the top of the table than what they where last week!
Just!!
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whooooooo wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Colvinator wrote:
We put in a lot of good crosses in that game. We have been generally better this season at crossing. Ifill sure helps with this part of the game. Bertos has been putting dangerous balls also, though every game he does have one that he completely mish*ts.
 
I thought Greenacre looked a bit hesitant at times when he got the ball just outside the box. He did take one decent shot though. Did really well in this game to win the ball off their defence.
 
I thought there were a lot of poor crosses today actually, not beating the first defender. A few dodgy corners from Bertos too.
 
I would say it was about 50/50 on the crosses today.


i second that.
 
It was our crosses that caused complete havoc for their defenders in the first half. But yea, there were a couple that didn't get past the first defender in the second half.
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irnbru14 wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
i can hear Herbert laughing while buying the round as we speak.
 
Yeah but he's only buying the 1 up front...


 
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Colvinator wrote:
 
It was our crosses that caused complete havoc for their defenders in the first half. But yea, there were a couple that didn't get past the first defender in the second half.
 
50/50 like I said - 50% good, 50% bad , IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Honestly, there is a need to readjust our attacking tactics. But not by much.

We are putting plenty of balls into the ball from crosses but as it mentioned, it is easier for the defence to sort that attack because it was predictable. Only by getting to the byline and getting behind the defence line and peeling back the ball would increase the goal scoring chances, tho. Which is what we are doing more in one game than the whole last season which is something that I had recommended to improve at the end of last season. I feel we have varied our attack from the wide sufficiently as I have again recommend and happy that we have improved on. But we have gone too predictable to the wide attack and need some work to be done in the central attack. We are giving them more defence presence in the centre making it tough for Greenacre.

In order to get Greenacre into the game and him attacking right in front of the goal we have to move the ball through the centre of the park (even pass the centre circle of the park if we have too) and hereby enable us to have options to attack to the either side or straight through the centre.

We still attack along the line and stay to the same side of the field too often/too long, making the hard work harder and the crossing tougher when we do get shut down. That too has to be mixed up. It is noticable that when it was tougher, we had to pass to safety right back to Paston. I don't have a problem with that as safe possession is key but we need someone to be available in the centre midfield more so they can chose to either switching the ball to the other side, or to switch back to the same side or chose a centre attack with Greenacre.

In some of the tight short passing, we couldn't shift the ball across to the other side and was stuck on the same side. We need to move the ball into the larger space (which happens to be the other side). A player has to turn to face the other sideline and move the ball to space which is against the less numbered defence which can also enables creative variety. It hasn't been use enough times.

So basically it is a refining factor for the team play.

1. increase options by having the ball in middle of the park with a capable midfield player that can make that choice.
2. increase the centre attack to bring Greenacre into play,

Greenacre has been forced to come back to play the ball but at times in the last number of games, he has been forced to come back to the sideline rather than to the centre and evidently there has not been anyone clicking quick enough to fill his place up front when he is temporary forced wide, back and to the sideline. This has happen because the midfielders has been working from the sideline with the wide attack. Once we have a bit more centre attack being sorted, we will have Greenacre into play and he would not be forced to the wide but in a more suitable centre position in the box so that in a episode of a quick interpass play he is suddenly back into the centre front rather than track all the way from the wide which would enable him to be ready to a shot at goal. Also it is easier for other players to recognise that the spot he had vacanted is open for an attack so that someone can run into that space while he is busy in the deep centre. This will allow the person that was in his vacant spot to set Greenache up for a shot when he turns from the deep centre and runs back up the centre front.

3. Seek alternative direction away from the tight defense on one sideline by switch the play or again redirection the ball to the centre (circle) of the park with a midfielder or even one of the centre backs to redirect the ball into the better/larger attacking space with less defence to worry about.

Sort this quzzle out and then you should see Greenacre and others scoring in no time.

This games shows that despite the number of crosses into the box with good and poor one alike, we lacked the number of shots on target. This is usually because it is a combination of being either terrible shooters or that the shooting was a result from too much wide attacks because the angle makes the goal smaller or we are pushed to the wide and not shooting from the centre and their defenders have shut us out from the cross by tight mark in the centre or that their first defender was able to stop ball path.

We need to attack occassionally from the centre and exploit possible gaps in the centre.

If we are able to switch the ball a couple of times, the gaps will open up as well as we move their defense line left and right as well as up and down the park. This is were real teams really exploit other teams all most to their leisure. Of course I am not expecting to play like Liverpools from the 80s that is too ideal but I believe that we can work the same plan to great effect at this A-League level.

Of course, I really can't wait for Fred because that is the type of player at this level that will facilitate this.

Also, we wouldn't have to do those long balls if we have a capable, available and consistent midfielder that can chose and move the ball in the desired direction.AllWhitebelievr2009-09-20 22:15:15
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Junior82 wrote:
OK. Kids are off to bed, I've had a few hours to reflect on the game, had dinner and a nice hot cocoa, feeling calm now.

F#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, f#ck, F#CK!

That's all I want to say.


Cracking good post Jnr
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Honestly, there is a need to readjust our attacking tactics. But not by much.

We are putting plenty of balls into the ball from crosses but as it mentioned, it is easier for the defence to sort that attack because it was predictable. Only by getting to the byline and getting behind the defence line and peeling back the ball would increase the goal scoring chances, tho. Which is what we are doing more in one game than the whole last season which is something that I had recommended to improve at the end of last season. I feel we have varied our attack from the wide sufficiently as I have again recommend and happy that we have improved on. But we have gone too predictable to the wide attack and need some work to be done in the central attack. We are giving them more defence presence in the centre making it tough for Greeanache.

In order to get Greenache into the game and him attacking right in front of the goal we have to move the ball through the centre of the park (even pass the centre circle of the park if we have too) and hereby enable us to have options to attack to the either side or straight through the centre.

We still attack along the line and stay to the same side of the field too often/too long, making the hard work harder and the crossing tougher when we do get shut down. That too has to be mixed up. It is noticable that when it was tougher, we had to pass to safety right back to Paston. I don't have a problem with that as safe possession is key but we need someone to be available in the centre midfield more so they can chose to either switching the ball to the other side, or to switch back to the same side or chose a centre attack with Greenache.

In some of the tight short passing, we couldn't shift the ball across to the other side and was stuck on the same side. We need to move the ball into the larger space (which happens to be the other side). A player has to turn to face the other sideline and move the ball to space which is against the less numbered defence which can also enables creative variety. It hasn't been use enough times.

So basically it is a refining factor for the team play.

1. increase options by having the ball in middle of the park with a capable midfield player that can make that choice.
2. increase the centre attack to bring Greenache into play,

Greenache has been forced to come back to play the ball but at times in the last number of games, he has been forced to come back to the sideline rather than to the centre and evidently there has not been anyone clicking quick enough to fill his place up front when he is temporary forced wide, back and to the sideline. This has happen because the midfielders has been working from the sideline with the wide attack. Once we have a bit more centre attack being sorted, we will have Greenache into play and he would not be forced to the wide but in a more suitable centre position in the box so that in a episode of a quick interpass play he is suddenly back into the centre front rather than track all the way from the wide which would enable him to be ready to a shot at goal. Also it is easier for other players to recognise that the spot he had vacanted is open for an attack so that someone can run into that space while he is busy. This will allow the person that was in his vacant spot to set Greenache up for a shot when he turns from the deep centre and runs back up the centre front.

3. Seek alternative direction away from the tight defense on one sideline by switch the play or again redirection the ball to the centre (circle) of the park with a midfielder or even one of the centre backs to redirect the ball into the better/larger attacking space with less defence to worry about.

Sort this quzzle out and then you should see Greenache and others scoring in no time.
Greenache?
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No offence AWB but does anyone read your essays?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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