Yellow Fury vs NQ Fury (Match Fred)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well played again first half. Should have been three or four up. But once Ifill went off, it just felt like an accident waiting to happen (it feels like season one all over again). Poor Chris Greenacre, a harder working guy you couldn't ask for but he told us the sort of striker he is when he signed for us and what sort of player he likes to play with. He must have looked at Daniel McBreen this afternoon and wished he was playing for NQ. At least he would be in with a shout of some chances to put away. I have no real criticism of the team on the pitch, we are doing everything but putting away our chances. We really did need a target man, Ifill is fantastic but he is an attacking midfielder who scores goals, not a second striker.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

clark007e wrote:

I love how this thread would have been completely different if we had won.

This has got to be one of the worst comments I have ever seen on this forum. You could say that about any match thread, MOM thread or any other thread relating to a game where we lost.

except that the last 20 seconds of a 5820 second game changes the overall feeling of the thread considerably.

That's the nature of the game - the fact is it really doesn't matter when they scored. They did, and we've dropped another 2 points and that's it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

other news - Perth 1-0 Bris (own goal) 52 seconds.......................

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Also as an aside, Fred is a great A league player and a really great guy, but the last sort of person we need as a guest player. We have to get that right and find the target man that Greenacre deserves.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

clark007e wrote:

I love how this thread would have been completely different if we had won.

This has got to be one of the worst comments I have ever seen on this forum. You could say that about any match thread, MOM thread or any other thread relating to a game where we lost.

except that the last 20 seconds of a 5820 second game changes the overall feeling of the thread considerably.

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That's the nature of the game - the fact is it really doesn't matter when they scored. They did, and we've dropped another 2 points and that's it.

Another way to think about it is if it was us who equalised in the 94th minute after being down the whole game would the mood of the thread still be quite the same?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Again, bar McKain, the best 11 are on the pitch. None of this Diego-Costa-Rojas crap. The best 11 are on the pitch...

Yet can't beat that rubbish that was in front of them today....

Yup and thats why I say its the players and not the coaches. Again we have been the more dominant team in 5 of the 7 we have played...

And if its not working, it is the coaches responsibility to try and change it to get a result...

Coaches affect 2 things primarily. Players on field and formation played.

Formation: We are creating a boat load of chances, the players aren't putting them in. How is changing the formation going to mean that players now start slotting those? I'd love to see the relation on missing an open goal like Daniel did if we had played with 4 or 5 up front.

Players: Outside of McKain, (maybe Caceres but too early to judge) There isn't a single bench player I'd start in place of the 11 there and you'd need to exclude a player that is more than likely better in the 1st instance.

Whats your change that you think that will affect a difference? I may not have one, but I don't think its coaches, formation or playing 11. I'm a believer in consistent selections develop teams... Ask Graham Henry how thats working for him...
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:09:39

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Killen would be a good guest player...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The second half was poor, Fury are very average but set out to compress play. It needed use to be patient and get the ball down and pass it around. Sadly we did not do it, I know HN has the banstick ready but why did Paston persist with hitting the ball long to Greenacre all day! that played into the Fury hands every time.

Liked the little we saw of Caceres he looked to make intelligent runs and was composed on the ball. Would have liked to see him on for Ifill rather than Hearfield.

Assume Muscat was injured, if not that was a strange substitution and Hearfield was badly caught out almost straight away and we got away with an offside call.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Some of our player should be shown Olympics equalising goal from todays final. Interesting to see what he did and got a goal for his effort.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Torne wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

clark007e wrote:

I love how this thread would have been completely different if we had won.

This has got to be one of the worst comments I have ever seen on this forum. You could say that about any match thread, MOM thread or any other thread relating to a game where we lost.

except that the last 20 seconds of a 5820 second game changes the overall feeling of the thread considerably.

That's the nature of the game - the fact is it really doesn't matter when they scored. They did, and we've dropped another 2 points and that's it.

Another way to think about it is if it was us who equalised in the 94th minute after being down the whole game would the mood of the thread still be quite the same?

Well that's what happened in the Brisbane game and we were happy, because we deserved it and attacked for the whole 2nd half.

It's pointless going over all these 'what if' scenarios, we should just focus on what DID happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Torne wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

clark007e wrote:

I love how this thread would have been completely different if we had won.

This has got to be one of the worst comments I have ever seen on this forum. You could say that about any match thread, MOM thread or any other thread relating to a game where we lost.

except that the last 20 seconds of a 5820 second game changes the overall feeling of the thread considerably.

That's the nature of the game - the fact is it really doesn't matter when they scored. They did, and we've dropped another 2 points and that's it.

Another way to think about it is if it was us who equalised in the 94th minute after being down the whole game would the mood of the thread still be quite the same?

Well that's what happened in the Brisbane game and we were happy, because we deserved it and attacked for the whole 2nd half.

It's pointless going over all these 'what if' scenarios, we should just focus on what DID happen.

You're quite right there about the result and the points - but the fact that they scored in the last 20 seconds seems to negate otherwise positive thoughts and feelings that most definately would have been thrown around on the thread had the last 20 seconds gone differently.

In the mid-season analysis there is a lot more to a game than 'they scored and drew so what' to the preceeding 90 minutes and the differing circumstances that lead to the goal(s). Focusing on the result is somewhat one-dimensional.
djtim30002009-09-20 19:13:40

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kapitinix wrote:

Disagree - I think he would make a big difference. We could even move Ifill or Bertos into an actual strikers role and have Fred controlling the midfield area and creating chances.

He's better than any of the midfielders we have now, and we can't turn someone down who would improve the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

whitby fever wrote:

Atleast someone was trying to pick him out...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Again, bar McKain, the best 11 are on the pitch. None of this Diego-Costa-Rojas crap. The best 11 are on the pitch...

Yet can't beat that rubbish that was in front of them today....

Yup and thats why I say its the players and not the coaches. Again we have been the more dominant team in 5 of the 7 we have played...

And if its not working, it is the coaches responsibility to try and change it to get a result...

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

Having the right players on the bench is as important as the starting XI so the coach can make tactical changes as needed. We had no other striker on the bench today, perhaps Rojas or whoever could have been brought on to make a change to the way we were playing, someone to play up with Greenacre would certainly have been a good option.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

A perpetually injured striker currently contracted to another club ?

Yep, logically sound as well.

Did I see Bertos in a striking role suggested ?

Ha ha ha ha ha and indeed ha... why not suggest Ferrante ?
Hard News2009-09-20 19:16:34

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

The result is what matters though, and we're not getting them.

At the end of the season when we've not made the play offs because of points like this dropped, it's not going to be any consolation to say "oh but Fury scored late in that game back in September, it was unlucky" ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

whitby fever wrote:

Atleast someone was trying to pick him out...

It's quite possible I may be colour blind but it looked to me as if it was Ifill that Paston was hitting with the long ball every time?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

Who has actually been getting some match time at Celtic!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Heart-breaking goal in what seemed like a LONG 3 minutes stoppage time. We should have put the second stake into them straight after the first goal when we had them on the ropes. There was no way we could dine out on that one goal for the entire game.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

A perpetually injured striker currently contracted to another club ?Yep, logically sound as well.

Why wouldn't we be able to have him as a guest player if he was signed to another club? No Fred then? Also you never know Celtic let him go to Ispwich so why wouldn't they let him come to us.

Also playing less games would mean less chance of injury, also this league is obviously not as demanding on players.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

whitby fever wrote:

Atleast someone was trying to pick him out...

It's quite possible I may be colour blind but it looked to me as if it was Ifill that Paston was hitting with the long ball every time?

Probably just blind rather than colour blind.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

The result is what matters though, and we're not getting them.

Again you're right - we can't blame late season results on what happened in September but that fact is - it is still September - there is a long way to go and better we take positives in whatever results and build on them now, than rue possible missed chances sometime near the end of the season.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

I can agree somewhat with the subs. Hearfield is versatile, Caceres has A-League pedigree and the Phoenix really didn't sign him to be another Miulligan (all name, no game) I'd probably put Chen in there.

I wouldn't have Ferrante, Mulligan, Rojas, Costa or Diego anywhere near that pitch.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

whitby fever wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

whitby fever wrote:

Atleast someone was trying to pick him out...

It's quite possible I may be colour blind but it looked to me as if it was Ifill that Paston was hitting with the long ball every time?

Probably just blind rather than colour blind.

To be fair - they're about the same height and wear the same strip

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

Why not these 2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

Actually I did wonder about suggesting Tim Brown and Greenacre swapping positions. Brown seems to get two or three chances a game!

And that isn't a dig at Brown, just an observation about where the chances seem to fall.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

Bertos played up front on occasion last season and did ok as I recall, added a bit of pace up there for starters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

Why not these 2?

Because they are not fundamentally better than the 14 ahead of them. (McKain injured) Thats probably being a bit harsh on the two youngsters
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:27:54

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

Why not these 2?

Because they are not fundamentally better than the 14 ahead of them. (McKain injured)

How do you know Rojas isn't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Hard News wrote:

wellyphoenixfan wrote:

Killen would be a good guest player...

A perpetually injured striker currently contracted to another club ?Yep, logically sound as well. Did I see Bertos in a striking role suggested ?Ha ha ha ha ha and indeed ha... why not suggest Ferrante ?

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Bertos played up front on occasion last season and did ok as I recall, added a bit of pace up there for starters.

I thought strikers are meant to score goals?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Bertos played up front on occasion last season and did ok as I recall, added a bit of pace up there for starters.

Considering you harp on about 1 up front, your credibility is somewhat limited when you suggest a striker conversion for a player who is second only to Michael Ferrante for reputation on missing chances in the A-League.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Missed the game so videoed it and just finished watching..well all except the last bit from 93m25s cos the I stopped recording as at 5pm sure that it had finished and anxious to watch it...raced downstairs to get multiple angst.

No change from my continued sance that we simply dont have enough strke power to win games...and once Ifill the creator left that was it really. Just hold on and hope. Cant expect midfeilders who have scored stuff all times to do the goods. Greenacre runs everywhere except where the ball is..too often he was left out wide when he should have been inside..but even his goal poaching aint going to pull us thru.

It needs a dedicated striker acquired and him running off him..do I hear the words target man again.

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different. If Chen was acquired cos he was fast then put him on..otherwise send him home.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

[QUOTE=Jeff Vader]
I can agree somewhat with the subs. Hearfield is versatile, Caceres has A-League pedigree and the Phoenix really didn't sign him to be another Miulligan (all name, no game) I'd probably put Chen in there.

I wouldn't have Ferrante, Mulligan, Rojas, Costa or Diego anywhere near that pitch.

Why not these 2?

Because they are not fundamentally better than the 14 ahead of them. (McKain injured) Thats probably being a bit harsh on the two youngsters

How do you know Rojas isn't?

I know it about as much as you know that Rojas is. We rely on the 3 coaches for that. Besides Rojas wasn't as great as everyone seemed to think he was last week. People seem to be falling over the latest new sub (Caceres) as the world beater and answer to the question why this week.
Since you appear to take the opposite position judging by your question, who would you drop for Rojas....
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:35:24

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Bertos played up front on occasion last season and did ok as I recall, added a bit of pace up there for starters.

He did ok up front last season, that's all I'm saying and the fact is we don't seem to have any other out and out strikers at the club whilst Chen is playing the role of Mr Invisible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Not talking about the starting XI, he has the ability to change things during the game by changing formation, moving players around, and substitutions, and his halftime 15 mins he gets with them.

Why not these 2?

Because they are not fundamentally better than the 14 ahead of them. (McKain injured) Thats probably being a bit harsh on the two youngsters

But both offer a proper alternative striking option which we didn't have today.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I know it about as much as you know that Rojas is. We rely on the 3 coaches for that. Besides Rojas wasn't as great as everyone solf him to be this week. People seem to be falling over the latest new sub (Caceres) as the world beater and answer to the question why.
Since you appear to take the opposite position judging by your question, who would you drop for Rojas....

I would at least have brought him on today. If he has some pace about him, he could've been used as an outlet when we were struggling a bit under pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Having been to my first Phoenix game this season i was a little disappointed at the Fever's efforts but to be fair the 2nd half didn't offer a lot to chant about. I don't think ricky can be sacked because their is nobody to replace him and to be fair we aint far away from consistent performances. I don't think Greenacre is going to score the 10-15 goals we need a season and the pressure is on the likes of Ifil, Bertos and Daniel to not only set up goals but to score their fair share as well. I thought the quality of our crosses wasn't consistent enough and we probably need some power and height up front to feed off Ifil, Bertos and Daniels crosses and make the most of the space greenacre makes. Thought Caceres looked promising but has proved nothing yet.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

lol

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Rojas isn't a striker.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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