Yellow Fury vs NQ Fury (Match Fred)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Thought we played horribly for the majority of the 2nd half and pretty much invited a sh*t team like the Fury to get back into it

We tried to sit back from about the 70th minute which was pathetic. First half was good but it doesn't matter if you don't put away the chances.

If we can't beat the bottom at home when their main playmaker isn't even playing then we have no hope this season - sorry, but we don't. With Ifill out for probably a couple of weeks at least it's not looking good for us.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with our play but we are just not finishing off chances and that is the difference between an average team and a good team in the a-league.

valeo2009-09-20 19:39:01

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I know it about as much as you know that Rojas is. We rely on the 3 coaches for that. Besides Rojas wasn't as great as everyone solf him to be this week. People seem to be falling over the latest new sub (Caceres) as the world beater and answer to the question why.
Since you appear to take the opposite position judging by your question, who would you drop for Rojas....

I would at least have brought him on today. If he has some pace about him, he could've been used as an outlet when we were struggling a bit under pressure.

Because Hearfield runs with concrete boots...

Dude do you have an argument here because I'm not finding it hard to put counter suggestions at you which you respond with questions. I think your angst stems from a personal bias against Ricki. I can respect your feelings that 1 win from 7 is not great but you are emploring an approach of bringing down the whole foundation, remove the concrete and reset the pylons when really all we need is a new roof.

Your argument has no logic.
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:41:06

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Yeah, lets go for long ball!! NOT!

Short passing game is a game of skill and ability, there were some shades of it today when it did not get too congested. We should keep it up and one day we will seriously tonk some team playing it.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

valeo wrote:

With Ifill out for probably a couple of weeks at least it's not looking good for us.

I might have missed something, but what do you know about Ifill being out for a couple of weeks?

I agree that wouldn't be good.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Not to mention we have no target man so playing long ball is a waste of time (which we did for most of the 2nd half)

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

valeo wrote:

With Ifill out for probably a couple of weeks at least it's not looking good for us.

I might have missed something, but what do you know about Ifill being out for a couple of weeks?

I agree that wouldn't be good.

Yeah wheres the sauce with that

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Are you Alan Jones in disguise Boro...?
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:43:02

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Whoa. I actually thought they played too many long balls in the second half, and that was what started to give them more possession. We look good when we link a good short passing together. Particularly with Bertos / Ifill involved.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Beginning to wonder if Hearfield has got 'it' to be honest. No better than average.

I don't have a 'personal bias' against Ricki, I just don't think he's doing a good enough job based on the results this season so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

valeo wrote:

With Ifill out for probably a couple of weeks at least it's not looking good for us.

I might have missed something, but what do you know about Ifill being out for a couple of weeks?

I agree that wouldn't be good.

Yeah wheres the sauce with that

When a guy goes off at the 60 min mark with injury and has ice on his hamstring it's a good bet that he'll be out for a week or two at least

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Not quite sure if he is the solution to our goalscoring problem but probably worth a try...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

update : perth 2-0 Bris

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Yeah, lets go for long ball!! NOT!

Short passing game is a game of skill and ability, there were some shades of it today when it did not get too congested. We should keep it up and one day we will seriously tonk some team playing it.

haha..laugh it all off

..it clearly aint working. A targetman doesnt only come into pay via longballs. Ifill is in that mould as he gets the ball feed to him wide and then he holds it up and playesr off and then uses it. Greenacre just runs all over and drifts so wide that he is often delivering or if he isnt he ait there anyway.

Yes we had chances..to our midfielders again.....get real

. It just isnt going to work without changing something. if Ifil is out then i cant see it getting better against CCM and the return against the Fury.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Yeah, lets go for long ball!! NOT!

Short passing game is a game of skill and ability, there were some shades of it today when it did not get too congested. We should keep it up and one day we will seriously tonk some team playing it.

haha..laugh it all off

Yes we had chances..to our midfielders again.....get real

. It just isnt going to work without changing something. if Ifil is out then i cant see it getting better against CCM and the return against the Fury.

Are you Gareth Southgate, seem to have the same level of management knowhow

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Beginning to wonder if Hearfield has got 'it' to be honest. No better than average.

I don't have a 'personal bias' against Ricki, I just don't think he's doing a good enough job based on the results this season so far.

So the players are playing well its just all Ricki's fault that we don't win each week? This is team wide issue and its not even that big an issue. We can't finish, thats not a coaches fault but its not so forlorn to destroy the model and totally start over. We are dominating games.

Your advocating putting Bertos then Rojas up front?? I think you've just summed up your football IQ and your real bias (Ricki). You really are a small minded man and I'm done with this conversation. Talking to you is like pushing sh*t uphill with a pitchfork - pointless and futile.
Jeff Vader2009-09-20 19:56:07

Grumpy old bastard alert

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I've never been a big Ricki fan, but I think he's doing a good job based on the good performances we have put in. Many games - or at least large parts of games I've been very impressed with how we have outplayed other good teams in the competition. We haven't looked out of our depth like I thought we have sometimes in previous seasons.

I don't think we need to change all that much and the wins will come. I just don't think it's quite gone our way a few times, but it will. Today it looked like the team was a bit unsure of how to play holding a lead for that long. Maybe work on that... Was disappointed in how we played second half, but thought we were fantastic first half.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

Well said that man!!!

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Steve-O wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Beginning to wonder if Hearfield has got 'it' to be honest. No better than average.

I don't have a 'personal bias' against Ricki, I just don't think he's doing a good enough job based on the results this season so far.

So the players are playing well its just all Ricki's fault that we don't win each week? This is team wide issue and its not even that big an issue. We can't finish, thats not a coaches fault but its not so forlone to destroy the model and totally start over. We are dominating games.

Your advocating putting Bertos then Rojas up front?? I think you've just summed up your football IQ and your real bias (Ricki). You really are a small minded man and I'm done with this conversation. Talking to you is like pushing sh*t uphill with a pitchfork - pointless and futile.

Well, we are dominating the first half of games ;)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We tried long ball in season 2 and in season 1 at various stages. it did not work. n season 1 the shortball game worked despite the results, we nearly did a lot better. Last season when we did the short passing game, we just missed out on the playoffs. This season I believe we have better players and patience is required, keep up the the short passing and the quick counter attacks and we will really turn some teams over.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Yeah, lets go for long ball!! NOT!

Short passing game is a game of skill and ability, there were some shades of it today when it did not get too congested. We should keep it up and one day we will seriously tonk some team playing it.

haha..laugh it all off

Yes we had chances..to our midfielders again.....get real

. It just isnt going to work without changing something. if Ifil is out then i cant see it getting better against CCM and the return against the Fury.

Are you Gareth Southgate, seem to have the same level of management knowhow

Whatever.........Im not pretending to me a manager. Just offering an opinion that differs from blind faith that one day its all going to come right and we will win. Well it might ..once..but its not going to happen regularly with an abundance of midfielders who get a up to 45 mins of fame before another one gets dropped in the mix.

And yes we did lose 0-5 at home. A spanking does everyone good sometimes.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yup, we just need to keep it up for 90 mins, second half today that game went out the window for whatever reasons

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I never once suggested putting Rojas up front so I dunno where you got that from?

I've also never suggested the players are blameless either. You're the one suggesting that this is the best team we have out today, and yet we can't score goals?

Our one striker is not getting any chances created for him, this is not helped by having him up front by himself.

We are not dominating games, we are dominating half of games, and as evidenced today, and every other week other than the Perth game, that's not enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Yeah, lets go for long ball!! NOT!

Short passing game is a game of skill and ability, there were some shades of it today when it did not get too congested. We should keep it up and one day we will seriously tonk some team playing it.

haha..laugh it all off

Yes we had chances..to our midfielders again.....get real

. It just isnt going to work without changing something. if Ifil is out then i cant see it getting better against CCM and the return against the Fury.

Are you Gareth Southgate, seem to have the same level of management knowhow

And yes we did lose 0-5 at home. A spanking does everyone good sometimes.

Long ball hoofball is not the way forward though.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

And yes we did lose 0-5 at home. A spanking does everyone good sometimes.

Exactly right.

I'm not exactly sure when the patience is going to run out for people on here? The end of the season?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hoofball as endorsed by Ian Holloway. God please no. Even if Ollie is a legend. Have faith everyone, it was a scrappy game today for the most part. perserverance is required for it all to gel.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

Alternatively we change style of play..all this short passing is getting up my goat and try something different.

I'm lost for words.

Big Jack for manager, Niall Quinn for Player/Owner. I'm sure Niall would step in for the horse racing sponsorship too. The beauty of this would be we could play at the stadium when they are relaying the pitch because we wont need the grass anyway! FFS

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

yes. the game was of poor quality.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Not quite sure if he is the solution to our goalscoring problem but probably worth a try...

Pike certainly has the height for a target man. And Godfrey (Coveney) played two seasons for us.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yup, we just need to keep it up for 90 mins, second half today that game went out the window for whatever reasons

Hallelujah agree with all that. Style of game is fine and entertaining, but every b***dy game we go off the boil in the second half and let sides back in. Don't know why - don't handle the aussies getting tight on us? get a bit up ourselves after a good half? Dunno, but it's a frustrating. Along with not nailing a second goal for that comfort buffer and (hopefully a thing of the past) giving up the early goal so we are playing catch up. progress eh - a different problem now.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

update : Perth 2-1 Bris

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

on a plus side - we got a better attendance than Brisbane (7k)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yup, we just need to keep it up for 90 mins, second half today that game went out the window for whatever reasons

The headlines will now be "Ricki can't keep it up for 90 minutes"

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kapitinix wrote:

Also as an aside, Fred is a great A league player and a really great guy, but the last sort of person we need as a guest player. We have to get that right and find the target man that Greenacre deserves.

It's good to see Greenacre recognised as a decent player. His work-rate and commitment is exceptional and am sure he has the right skills to put them in the back of the net if given the right service.
VascainoDoente2009-09-20 20:22:07

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

update : Perth 3-1 Bris

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I will concede that mentioning targetman evokes images of long balls to some people..not me. I didnt say use longballs to a targetman. Observing say Astrauskas pre season it showed that a player can be played up to and then others run off. Costa did that well..got possesion on the halfway, ran, passed and got the return..albeit tried to beat too many players sometimes. In the EPL they dont always use long balls to dedicated tall or large frame strikers..eg Crouch...but they do get it and hold it up.

What frustrates me the most is the passing it all the way to the last 5th of the field..without enough variation..be it long or thru. Siggy played one great thru ball..thats about I can recall of substance.

Our play is predictable and therefore defendable against.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

update : Perth 3-2 Bris

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

The headlines will now be "Ricki can't keep it up for 90 minutes"

Not racist ernie, but definately sexist this time

or xenophobic, or floppy, or some other big word ...

thinking about it, that's the problem really. we simply aren't ramming it up em

i think you've put your finger on it

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

irnbru14 wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

irnbru14 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Yup, we just need to keep it up for 90 mins, second half today that game went out the window for whatever reasons

The headlines will now be "Ricki can't keep it up for 90 minutes"

Well, buy him a viagra!

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Lost it so close to the climax as well.

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